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Thankfully for Apple they aren't as heavily invested in AI as either Microsoft or Google. They don't have the exposure for failure that they do.

And let's be frank about this. AI, as it currently stands, is a failure. Until they are able to give accurate answers without 'hallucinations' then it's completely pointless.

What actual worth is a system where you have to be an expert anyway, to ensure the answers it gives you are correct and not just made up.

If I sold you a business calculator and warned you have to double check every time, as occasionally it will give you an incorrect answer. Would you really actually consider purchasing it? Or is it actually ADDING to your work load as now you have to do the sum TWICE. The first with the dodgy calc, and the 2nd to catch out the dodgy calc.

It's BROKEN, and until they can fix it, it will be a novelty, and any business exposed to it, will be a liability.

The demand simply isn't there outside a small niche of people who have bought into the idea that a dodgy calculator is going to be the world's next big thing. I suppose they have to convince at least SOME people given how much money they have all invested into this product.

Perhaps for Amateurs, I can see the appeal. It makes them sound like professionals. However, the problem arises when actual professionals can spot glaring errors that only an amateur, OR one using an AI, would ever make in that particular realm.

If you're a professional, then it would be incredibly embarrassing to get caught out acting like amateurs. Just ask those lawyers who used ChatGPT to make up laws, and present them to a courtroom. Oh, the shame, the shame...
 
But ChatGPT is better than Gemini. Not sure what type of flex Google is trying to pull.

And Google is way more untrustworthy than Apple and ChatGPT as Google will use your data for their Google Ads business, so you are being spied on by Google.
 
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Right... so what exactly is the worse that can happen to the average person? Bearing in mind the other issues in the current world, and the information the government is likely to have on you. I trust Google with my data more than my local government, at least I know Google is only trying to get ad revenue from me, the intentions are known!

The best user experience would have been to let people CHOOSE, but Apple took the money over customer choice.

Apple has plenty of conflict of interest issues, I would argue some are more severe than Google trying to monetize user information. Take Parental Control apps, Google has built a parental control app for iOS so parents with iPhones can keep their kids using Android devices safe, Apple has NOT done this. And we all know why, they want to force both the parent to have iphones (golden handcuffs), or stop the parent moving to Android. Money over child safety.

There is a movie released in 2002 called "One Hour Photo" about a guy obsessed with a family by looking at their family photos in a photo processing lab, its classified as "Thriller" . Today Google can see your photos, videos, audio, text history, browsing history, location history, address and then more and they gaslight you to think its normal.

If you are comfortable with that, that is up to you. There are people who are comfortable to share more than explicit photos online for money.
 
OK, so you have some rumour stories about what Google might have or might not have done, you do know the same type of rumours exists for Apple right?

Lets just say some are true, which is a big IF, and giving one of your examples Google has some recording of something you said to a voice assistant at some time aggregated among trillions of data records. What is the worst thing that can happen to your life with that? what is there ACTUALLY to worry about?

If you have nothing to worry about why don't you give public access to your emails, sms, phone storage, location history, photo album, browsing history, HDD files? Come one share it with us, there is nothing to worry about.

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Especially when you consider what information your government has on you.

It's all chocolate teapot stuff.

The government does not have surveillance device attached on me 24/7. They need legal search warrant to do that. you grant Google this "search warrant" the moment you click "I agree" on the ToS. The government actually asks Google for information on individuals, not the other way around.
 
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The government does not have surveillance device attached on me 24/7.
Oh, it has -- your credit/debit card, your mobile phone, whatever brand, your so-called smart watch etc...that is, if you are that important to be of scrutiny...😏
 
There is a movie released in 2002 called "One Hour Photo" about a guy obsessed with a family by looking at their family photos in a photo processing lab, its classified as "Thriller" . Today Google can see your photos, videos, audio, text history, browsing history, location history, address and then more and they gaslight you to think its normal.

If you are comfortable with that, that is up to you. There are people who are comfortable to share more than explicit photos online for money.
What's the difference between Google or Apple having it stored? (or Samsung or Microsoft for example).

I accept that if I use online services I'm going to have online data about me. That doesn't make that automatically make that data "bad". If I didn't want online data then I would have to not use online services, but they are easily worth the trade off, especially the free ones Google offers
 
It's so funny reading all these innocent folks posts about how they "trust" apple more than google.

Apple has been caught time and time again doing underhanded and disgusting things but its swept under the rug because you spent $1000+ on their tech and don't want to feel stupid.

Google have told us what they're doing, I have nothing to hide and they actually offer useful things while Apple give us Siri and still steal our info.
 
They sell the data to Alphabet.

I would have thought that was obvious. And that’s the problem. It’s not that they sell the raw data to someone else, it’s that they’re the sort of company who masticates personal data.
OK, so Alphabet (which is still Google) gets the data, how is that terribly bad for the average person? In a world where personal data is being collected left, right and centre (by employers, healthcare providers, governments, military etc)?

Considering the amount of data Google holds, they have an excellent track record on data security. A sa matter of fact your data with Apple is stored on a Google srver as Apple trusts them so much...
 
If you have nothing to worry about why don't you give public access to your emails, sms, phone storage, location history, photo album, browsing history, HDD files? Come one share it with us, there is nothing to worry about.

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The government does not have surveillance device attached on me 24/7. They need legal search warrant to do that. you grant Google this "search warrant" the moment you click "I agree" on the ToS. The government actually asks Google for information on individuals, not the other way around.
You do know that Apple stores its user data on Google servers?
 
Nothing really happens until there’s a data breach and the bad guys have your name. email, SS#, credit card numbers, etc. Other than that it’s just targeted ads.
Apple data is stored on Google servers, so if they have a data breach Apple does too.
 
But ChatGPT is better than Gemini. Not sure what type of flex Google is trying to pull.

That can be subjective and depend on how one uses AI. However, we're still early in the AI game and time will tell what company or companies end up on top. Other search engines were considered better than Google when it launched but Google turned out to be the best, at least for a while. Who knows what will happen with AI?


And Google is way more untrustworthy than Apple and ChatGPT as Google will use your data for their Google Ads business, so you are being spied on by Google.

Maybe, maybe not. The reality is that they all should be considered "untrustworthy", even Apple.



 
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There is a movie released in 2002 called "One Hour Photo" about a guy obsessed with a family by looking at their family photos in a photo processing lab, its classified as "Thriller" . Today Google can see your photos, videos, audio, text history, browsing history, location history, address and then more and they gaslight you to think its normal.

I think the reality is that people are likely tracked, monitored, etc. a lot more than the realize whether it be at the "government" level or "corporate" level or whatever. If you are concerned about Google, you might as well be similarly concerned about Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, your credit card company, your carrier, your ISP, your insurance company, etc.
 
I think the reality is that people are likely tracked, monitored, etc. a lot more than the realize whether it be at the "government" level or "corporate" level or whatever. If you are concerned about Google, you might as well be similarly concerned about Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, your credit card company, your carrier, your ISP, your insurance company, etc.
And, live in a jungle or desert without any amenities...😏
 
No, if your iPhone is going to talk to OpenAI, it asks for consent. Does an Android phone ask for consent before it sends data to an off-device AI?
Yeah it does. It specifically tells you the first time you go to use an off-device feature.
Apple is the sort of company that if they were using our data to sell or harvest information, they’d be found out and have the weight of the media world on them. I trust Apple more than any other company. They make more than enough money, that they don’t need to lie about privacy, privacy is the product.
Oh you sweet summer child
 
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You can find anything if you search hard enough.

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Yeah, but doesn’t mean it’s accurate or valuable information. Both of the articles are from 2018 and sometime prior to 2017, respectively.

If anything, you just reinforced the fact that Apple’s reputation has actually plummeted over the years to a point where it noticeably lags behind many of the brands it makes a point of criticizing. So thanks for proving my point.
 
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Google is in another league. Apple is incredibly behind when it comes to software. They have the buggiest OS out there, worse than windows vista they were making fun of and they think about Memoji and crap of sort.
Just the fact that they called the ai image generator “playground” tells a lot about the direction they are heading to.

How about using grown up words like image studio maybe? They are pathetic, the software management needs to be replaced.
Bring back Bertrand Serlet and Scott Forstall please!
 
It's so funny reading all these innocent folks posts about how they "trust" apple more than google.

Apple has been caught time and time again doing underhanded and disgusting things but its swept under the rug because you spent $1000+ on their tech and don't want to feel stupid.

Google have told us what they're doing, I have nothing to hide and they actually offer useful things while Apple give us Siri and still steal our info.
Because Google has never been caught with its hand in the cookie jar. /s

See Incognito mode.
 
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What's the difference between Google or Apple having it stored? (or Samsung or Microsoft for example).

I accept that if I use online services I'm going to have online data about me. That doesn't make that automatically make that data "bad". If I didn't want online data then I would have to not use online services, but they are easily worth the trade off, especially the free ones Google offers

You do know that Apple stores its user data on Google servers?

You are right, but there is a spectrum to trust. For example, Google makes money by gathering your data and sell it to advertisers. They want maximum data on you. Thats why they are worth $2T . Apple on the other hand is worth $3.4T because they sell you iphone, Macs, Apple Store apps and iTunes media. Meanwhile Google pays Apple $20B yearly just to be the default (not exclusive) search engine on Safari. What does this tell you about Google caring about tracking your search?

I am not saying to trust Apple or Samsung, but remember these companies main source of income doesn't come from exploiting your privacy and they do not need to track every single aspect about you.

If you want to trust any of them, make sure you have no problem with what you share with them. For example, I do not mind that OneDrive has work documents stored in it even if it was leaked publicly. Its just excel sheet with numbers.

I think the reality is that people are likely tracked, monitored, etc. a lot more than the realize whether it be at the "government" level or "corporate" level or whatever. If you are concerned about Google, you might as well be similarly concerned about Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, your credit card company, your carrier, your ISP, your insurance company, etc.

There is a difference. My Credit Card company knows my purchases, my ISP knows my browsing history. Google knows everything store on a file by your name on their server. Audio, Video, browsing history, location, emails, computer backups, etc here is some of it(source):

Rich (BB code):
Data used for analytics:
* Location
 * contact info (physical and email address)
 * contacts
 * audio data
 * search history
 * browsing history
 * user identifiers (user ID and device ID)
 * usage data (including product interaction and advertising data)
 * crash and performance data
 * and ‘other data types’.

Data gathered for product personalisation:
* Location
 * contact info (physical and email address)
 * photos or videos
 * search history
 * browsing history
 * user identifiers (user ID and device ID)
 * usage data (including product interaction and advertising data)
 * and advertising data.

Data collected for app functionality:
*Payment information
 * location
 * contact information (including physical address
 * email
 * name and phone number)
 * contacts
 * user content (including photos or videos
 * audio data
 * customer support details)
 * search history
 * browsing data
 * user identifiers (user ID and device ID)
 * usage data (including product interaction and advertising data)
 * diagnostics (crash data and performance data)
 * plus other data types that aren’t defined.
 
Apple is incredibly behind when it comes to software. They have the buggiest OS out there, worse than windows vista they were making fun of and they think about Memoji and crap of sort.

Pretty stable and reliable for me both on iOS and MacOS 12.7.4 currently. Samething with Safari, Apple suite, and others.
 
Apple on the other hand is worth $3.4T because they sell you iphone, Macs, Apple Store apps and iTunes media.
Imagine the "worth" of those 12 or so Chinese companies that really manufacture those Apple "products!
 
There is a difference. My Credit Card company knows my purchases, my ISP knows my browsing history. Google knows everything store on a file by your name on their server. Audio, Video, browsing history, location, emails, computer backups, etc here is some of it

Your credit card can know more than just your purchase history, your ISP can know more than just your browsing history, etc. People can be tracked and monitored in more ways than they may realize. It's not just a Google issue.
 
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You are right, but there is a spectrum to trust. For example, Google makes money by gathering your data and sell it to advertisers. They want maximum data on you. Thats why they are worth $2T . Apple on the other hand is worth $3.4T because they sell you iphone, Macs, Apple Store apps and iTunes media. Meanwhile Google pays Apple $20B yearly just to be the default (not exclusive) search engine on Safari. What does this tell you about Google caring about tracking your search?

I am not saying to trust Apple or Samsung, but remember these companies main source of income doesn't come from exploiting your privacy and they do not need to track every single aspect about you.

If you want to trust any of them, make sure you have no problem with what you share with them. For example, I do not mind that OneDrive has work documents stored in it even if it was leaked publicly. Its just excel sheet with numbers.



There is a difference. My Credit Card company knows my purchases, my ISP knows my browsing history. Google knows everything store on a file by your name on their server. Audio, Video, browsing history, location, emails, computer backups, etc here is some of it(source):

Rich (BB code):
Data used for analytics:
* Location
 * contact info (physical and email address)
 * contacts
 * audio data
 * search history
 * browsing history
 * user identifiers (user ID and device ID)
 * usage data (including product interaction and advertising data)
 * crash and performance data
 * and ‘other data types’.

Data gathered for product personalisation:
* Location
 * contact info (physical and email address)
 * photos or videos
 * search history
 * browsing history
 * user identifiers (user ID and device ID)
 * usage data (including product interaction and advertising data)
 * and advertising data.

Data collected for app functionality:
*Payment information
 * location
 * contact information (including physical address
 * email
 * name and phone number)
 * contacts
 * user content (including photos or videos
 * audio data
 * customer support details)
 * search history
 * browsing data
 * user identifiers (user ID and device ID)
 * usage data (including product interaction and advertising data)
 * diagnostics (crash data and performance data)
 * plus other data types that aren’t defined.
I think you're proving my point, Google collecting my user data (whilst stripping any personal identifiers) has LITTLE affect on my nett privacy as an individual in 2024 society with the amount of surveillance tech we have
 
Your credit card can know more than just your purchase history, your ISP can know more than just your browsing history, etc. People can be tracked and monitored in more ways than they may realize. It's not just a Google issue.
I agree - the whole "Google is bad for your privacy" is a chocolate teapot, and a way to attack Google when their products outperform apples (as a 15 pro user who also used a Pixel 8 Pro, the Pixel 8 Pro is a better phone with a better OS). This is mainly from people who have only used Apple for a very long time, or they're so invested in the Apple Eco System they can't move without a heavy financial penalty (which is of course how Apple designed it, and many people fell into the trap).
 
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