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why should they not? Name one instance where Google has sold user data to someone else. Not generic mumbo-jumbo, name a specific incident.

There have been in the past times that google have used photos on unpaid google photos accounts for their own advertising. It was in their T&Cs - this has changed now. But basically images with No people in were fair game for years. There were articles on Engadget / Verge etc at the time… can i be arsed to go find them for you? No :) I am busy.

Does using internally to a different department count as selling?
 
No worries. I dont trust google on AI (super racist) and now I dont trust them on search (systematically biased results). Other people have to lose my trust....google already completely lost it.
 
"Hey Siri, self-diagnose the reason the computer isn't connecting to the printer and fix it?" Too much to ask for, I'm sure. Thanks, Tim Apple.
Siri - "You need to plug your printer into an electric outlet. Tim says "You're welcome.""
 
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That’s the state of computing. Apple knows more about users than they know about themselves also! It’s a fact! They can brag about privacy but it’s all marketing hype.
Compared to what Meta, Google (Alphabet), Amazon and Microsoft, I think they have very little information compared to those companies. Sure, Apple has all of our basic information, payments and some financial information, but Meta and Google have tomes of personal information they scan through and sell to marketers in exchange for their “free” services. Google scans every single message, document, spreadsheet, presentation, voicemail and anything else that is used in their suite of products. Highly unlikely Apple is capturing that level of information compared to Google and the others.
 
Of all the things wrong in the current world, Google having some data on you to give some good free services is pretty low on most peoples priorities. I mean exactly what is the worse that can happen?
Nothing really happens until there’s a data breach and the bad guys have your name. email, SS#, credit card numbers, etc. Other than that it’s just targeted ads.
 
Google you say? No thanks!

Apple you say? No thanks!*





*I don't actually feel that way as I use Apple products. I am just pointing out that no company is perfect or should always be trusted (or not trusted).
 
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Google have tomes of personal information they scan through and sell to marketers in exchange for their “free” services...
When/if I get a call (sms) from such marketer, my phone signals "spam," the same goes with Google's Gmail, which separate emails as Primary, Promotions and Social, and some goes directly to spam. I suppose, most of those "marketers" must be fools wasting their money buying such data.
 
Why not? Safari's only search engine is Google, after all. You don't trust Safari?
Could have fooled me—Safari is my main browser on both phone and Mac, and I use Google on neither.

Default? Yes. Only? No. And not even default in Europe.

The bigger issue is one of effective monopoly, though, which Google for search very nearly is. Safari does what it can to limit Google’s tracking of me, even though it allows or defaults to their services.

I don’t trust PG&E corporate, but my house has no other choice of transmission and distribution provider; that doesn’t mean I don’t trust my house or the appliances I plug in. I don’t trust any oil company, but when I need an internal combustion engine the fact that they exclusively run on oil companies’ only product doesn’t mean I don’t trust the engine. I don’t trust the government of China at all, but that doesn’t mean I inherently distrust every product manufactured there.

It all comes down to what’s being done with the service or product.

If Safari was designed to surreptitiously feeding tracking data to Google, then I wouldn’t trust it. Or use it.
 
Compared to what Meta, Google (Alphabet), Amazon and Microsoft, I think they have very little information compared to those companies. Sure, Apple has all of our basic information, payments and some financial information, but Meta and Google have tomes of personal information they scan through and sell to marketers in exchange for their “free” services. Google scans every single message, document, spreadsheet, presentation, voicemail and anything else that is used in their suite of products. Highly unlikely Apple is capturing that level of information compared to Google and the others.
Think what you want! They have all the data. This is all marketing BS on Apple and anyone who believes otherwise is drinking Tim’s kool-aid.
 
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When/if I get a call (sms) from such marketer, my phone signals "spam," the same goes with Google's Gmail, which separate emails as Primary, Promotions and Social, and some goes directly to spam. I suppose, most of those "marketers" must be fools wasting their money buying such data.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about how Google’s business, and data mining in general, work.

As far as I know, Google doesn’t even sell contact info, and they have no need to—that’s of limited value and not their business. What their product is is comprehensive information on your personal habits gathered from nearly every website you visit (via analytics and ad tracking), everywhere you shop (same), what sorts of ads actually get your attention, what you search for (Google), who you email (Gmail), where you travel (maps), what videos you watch on YouTube, and more. Which they aggregate into a profile, the most benign use of which is to analyze what specific ad pitches are going to be most likely to work on you. They then sell ads that will be targeted at the people most likely to be swayed by them.

Their data mining doesn’t result in a single call, SMA, or junk email, it results in product advertising and paid social manipulation campaigns tailored subtly to make you do things without realizing you’re even being targeted.

That’s the benign version. If Google so chooses—and there’s no way to determine whether they are or not—they could subtly manipulate your search results (for example) in an attempt to influence your behavior. Or sell retailers you already frequent the data they need to tailor pricing and promotional offers to steer you to particular products you might be open to buying, or to charge you the highest amount they think you’re likely to be willing to pay.
 
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Could have fooled me—Safari is my main browser on both phone and Mac, and I use Google on neither.

Default? Yes. Only? No. And not even default in Europe.

The bigger issue is one of effective monopoly, though, which Google for search very nearly is. Safari does what it can to limit Google’s tracking of me, even though it allows or defaults to their services.

I don’t trust PG&E corporate, but my house has no other choice of transmission and distribution provider; that doesn’t mean I don’t trust my house or the appliances I plug in. I don’t trust any oil company, but when I need an internal combustion engine the fact that they exclusively run on oil companies’ only product doesn’t mean I don’t trust the engine. I don’t trust the government of China at all, but that doesn’t mean I inherently distrust every product manufactured there.

It all comes down to what’s being done with the service or product.

If Safari was designed to surreptitiously feeding tracking data to Google, then I wouldn’t trust it. Or use it.
There seem to be lot of fear in your life. You can't stand corporate, but everything around you is corporate. Most probably you don't trust your government too. It's pretty hard to live like that. Trusting/distrusting other countries' governments is not my business, that's up to the people living their respective countries.
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about how Google’s business, and data mining in general, work.
I know exactly how Google works, at least, enough for me. And, in return, Google works for me too. I am not paranoid. 😊
 
Many seem to be overlooking the true genius behind Apple's AI approach. They focus Apple Intelligence on the things most consumers want to do, across all Apple devices, and provide the full capacities of the server based LLMs. Think about the billions of dollars OpenAI, google, Meta etc, are spending to develop their software. How much is Apple spending to deliver that EXACT SAME functionality to its 1.2 billion users? That's right, nothing. Tim Cook is a genius.
 
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This is looking great.

And this far Apple Intelligence experience on 18.1 is nothing like this. Fancy border animation, some writing helpers, ... and that is it. Siri remains as stupid as ever.

I am sure Apple shares this AI vision with Google. WWDC keynote was great. I hope they ship it soon. Their whole business depends on that.
 
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When/if I get a call (sms) from such marketer, my phone signals "spam," the same goes with Google's Gmail, which separate emails as Primary, Promotions and Social, and some goes directly to spam. I suppose, most of those "marketers" must be fools wasting their money buying such data.
They still buy it and try anyway. That one spoof phone number they’ll hope you’ll answer, or that one email that will slip through your junk filter. It doesn’t change the fact Google profits from the sale of your data on their services, which you agree to when you sign up for it.
 
Don't you see the connection? Are you suggesting that people "trust" Apple but prefer Google? That would be a weird dichotomy.
You're still playing word games. Where did "prefer" come from? Most users don't care or think about defaults so "prefer" doesn't matter for them. prefer ≠ trust and trust ≠ popular
 
Google encrypts cloud data too. Why should Apple necessarily be "trusted" more than Google or vice versa?
The post I responded was about Apple trusting Google, not me trusting or not trusting either of them.
 
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