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Well, aren't they all, the companies?

Would you? I won't, I stay with Google, sometimes Bing using Copilot.
The best part is that you get to choose. I definitely always choose DDG over either Bing or Google.


I am just glad to have the choice.
 
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To be honest I accept an element of Apple fanboy-ism on a website like this, and you certainly come up against a "Church of Apple" on Reddit forums. As a iphone user, with ipads also in my household, but as someone who also used a Pixel 8 Pro previously and a Samsung S22 Ultra before that I'm certainly open minded and I agree that there is no reason why Google cannot be trusted as much as Apple. If anything, considering the MASSIVE amount of additional confidential data Google has over Apple, it is a great achievement for Google to not have had a large data issue.

The Google privacy thing is used here just to bash Google (as Google fans use the "iphone sheep" thing to bash Apple), but has little merit in the real world. What is clear is that it will be an interesting next few years in mobile phone development, and the best thing to do is keep yourself platform agnostic so you have flexibility to move to who performs the best and is most deserving of your money. You specifically have to be aware of this with Apple, as they intentionally don't develop cross platform applications for their products, this is against the industry norm and not what the competition do who are more consumer friendly in this respect. Don't let yourself be tied by invisible handcuffs.
I fully agree. As an indy iOS developer I am invested into the Apple ecosystem and I enjoy it. But I am not delusional about the real differences between Apple and Google when it comes to whom I trust more with my data.
 
Apple is not forcing anything. It’s asks you and you can decide not to use it.
Precisely, it’s Apple’s makeshift solution because they failed to adequately manage the AI front. Apple should have done better but they have been mismanaged.
 

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Yeah it does...don't trust Google farther than I could throw them.
 
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"Hey Siri, self-diagnose the reason the computer isn't connecting to the printer and fix it?" Too much to ask for, I'm sure. Thanks, Tim Apple.
How is AI supposed to plug the printer back into the wall for you?
 
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Apple "trusts" Google. I believe Apple is or at least was Google's largest customer for its cloud storage services. Apple used Google TPUs in the development of its AI. Apple uses Google (yes, for $$$$$) as the coveted pre-set search default on Safari.
Note that Apple externally encrypts all user info (on device) snd makes sure GCE doesn’t have a hope of getting the keys.

Apple trusts them for uptime, not for data access.
 
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That’s a fair question, just as fair as asking, “Can we trust ChatGPT and Microsoft with our AI queries?“

I would not trust Microsoft, personally, but ChatGPT “Apple style” could be different, as they may be forced by Apple to depersonalise the quieries, similar to what Apple had done with their Maps. We shall see…
 
Would you? I won't, I stay with Google, sometimes Bing using Copilot.

I keep Google as the default search on Safari, but there are options for those who prefer not to.

If Apple had wanted to make a strong statement against Google’s business practices, they shouldn't have picked Google as the pre-set search default on Safari. Apple either doesn't think Google is that bad or do think Google is bad but the money won out. Depending on how the antitrust case plays out as far as remedies, appeals, etc. Apple may no longer be able to make Google the pre-set search default, at least in the U.S. market.
 
Note that Apple externally encrypts all user info (on device) snd makes sure GCE doesn’t have a hope of getting the keys.

Apple trusts them for uptime, not for data access.

Google encrypts cloud data too. Why should Apple necessarily be "trusted" more than Google or vice versa?
 
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The fundamental problem with Google is the conflict of interest. Almost their whole business model is predicated on the ability to monetize user information. I've discussed this with a manager who works there. Their team spends a lot of time thinking about ways to work around Google's advertised privacy practices.

It would be very convenient for me to trust Google, but I would feel like a sucker if I did.

There is also some conflict of interest with Apple, but not even close to as much. The whole Google default search thing is an example. Apple wanted the money. But, on the other hand, Apple probably thought its users would have the best experience if search was defaulted to Google.
 
Time honored marketing strategy. Try to instill FUD abut your competitor’s product. Apple does it, Google does it, Samsung does it, they ALL do it. It’s also a time honored strategy for politicians of every stripe.
 
Apple either doesn't think Google is that bad or do think Google is bad but the money won out.
"Money" always wins out with any company. Goodwill to people comes last, if at all!
 
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Not unless you work on the inside of Google and see with your own eyes the information they have on their computers. But here are some links that might make you double think if you want to trust Google:





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OK, so you have some rumour stories about what Google might have or might not have done, you do know the same type of rumours exists for Apple right?

Lets just say some are true, which is a big IF, and giving one of your examples Google has some recording of something you said to a voice assistant at some time aggregated among trillions of data records. What is the worst thing that can happen to your life with that? what is there ACTUALLY to worry about? Especially when you consider what information your government has on you.

It's all chocolate teapot stuff.
 
More likely Google knows the vast majority of users simply don’t care.
Of all the things wrong in the current world, Google having some data on you to give some good free services is pretty low on most peoples priorities. I mean exactly what is the worse that can happen?
 



Right... so what exactly is the worse that can happen to the average person? Bearing in mind the other issues in the current world, and the information the government is likely to have on you. I trust Google with my data more than my local government, at least I know Google is only trying to get ad revenue from me, the intentions are known!
 
The fundamental problem with Google is the conflict of interest. Almost their whole business model is predicated on the ability to monetize user information. I've discussed this with a manager who works there. Their team spends a lot of time thinking about ways to work around Google's advertised privacy practices.

It would be very convenient for me to trust Google, but I would feel like a sucker if I did.

There is also some conflict of interest with Apple, but not even close to as much. The whole Google default search thing is an example. Apple wanted the money. But, on the other hand, Apple probably thought its users would have the best experience if search was defaulted to Google.
The best user experience would have been to let people CHOOSE, but Apple took the money over customer choice.

Apple has plenty of conflict of interest issues, I would argue some are more severe than Google trying to monetize user information. Take Parental Control apps, Google has built a parental control app for iOS so parents with iPhones can keep their kids using Android devices safe, Apple has NOT done this. And we all know why, they want to force both the parent to have iphones (golden handcuffs), or stop the parent moving to Android. Money over child safety.
 
why should they not? Name one instance where Google has sold user data to someone else. Not generic mumbo-jumbo, name a specific incident.

They sell the data to Alphabet.

I would have thought that was obvious. And that’s the problem. It’s not that they sell the raw data to someone else, it’s that they’re the sort of company who masticates personal data.
 
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