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Looks like apple is losing its creative juice :)

Or not. Perhaps they feel that the time is not right for a return of the infamous WebTV and thus are working in smaller steps. Get folks used to the idea of streaming their entertainment off the internet to the tv (blurring the lines between the tv and computer) and work up from there.

It's not all that different from how they used the iphone as a step to the ipad.

And lets keep in mind that we haven't seen this Google TV flying off the shelves yet. It would fly, or it could flop.
 
I was a staunch AppleTV fan. Then it began to piss me off at its limited capabilities, so called update after so called update of software brought nothing exciting or new. Then the big announcement - ATV2 - was the biggest let down of all (wheres the friggin harddrive? - I dont want to connect my Laptop to an external and have to have both fired up as well as the TV just to watch TV.

From even the earliest indications it looks like GTV stomps all over ATV. I think I'll be switching when it comes out (if it comes to the UK).

Apple has always disavowed the centralized home based storage device. Apple wants each person to use one Mac only and store all of his/her content locally on that Mac. I may not like this model either, but this is what Steve believes is the way to go. The only centralized storage device Apple thinks people should have at homes is Time Capsule to be used for Time Machine backup storage. That's the reason why Time Capsule has no RAID in it. It is designed to be used for backups only. If its hard drive fails, you still have all of your content residing locally on the Mac.

Even though the Apple TV is a streaming only device, it can stream from the cloud (which everyone at this point agrees is the future) or locally from your Mac. I agree that this model may be questionable, but if you think about it, this is what most people have been doing for decades. Very small percentage has realized the benefits of centralized RAID based home file storage. Apple's strategy is to make money, and the model that both of us disagree with is what most people do with their file storage.

With the introduction of iPad, it may be worth reconsidering the way that home computing should be done. Perhaps, it is a good idea to have one beefed up Mac - like an Intel i7 iMac to be used as the repository for iTunes, iPhoto, Aperture, etc, and have it always turned on. This Mac would be used for creating content (like photo editing, movie editing, etc.). For consuming content in your home or outside of your home, it may be better to use an iPad. For TV viewing, the new Apple TV can stream wirelessly from the Mac you have in your office.

In the household with two adults, having two 3G iPads with Bluetooth keyboards, one beefed up iMac, a Time Capsule, and a new Apple TV would cost you around $4,000 - $4,500. Apple wins big time with this computing paradigm, but people win as well because their computing experience becomes extremely rewarding.
 
I have tried hooking up my Mac Mini to my TV. It is cool if you sit maybe 5 feet away from your TV. My couch in a small room is about 8 feet away. My TV is 40 inches, 1080P. Reading text on it is not easy. I can lower the resolution then I can read stuff, but it is not a great experience.

If it was more finely tuned it might be interesting.

The thing with Google TV is that typically I use my TV for watching, and a laptop/iPad/iPhone for looking something up. If you watch a show with a group of people I am sure some would be annoyed at you bringing up a google search over their favorite TV show.

Apple just needs to stick apps on Apple TV and I will be happy. Being just out of college I can afford $99 on an entertainment device, but not $299 that Google TV will be starting at. Nor can I afford to buy a new Sony TV.

I think Google TV may end up losing because of the hardware manufacturers. They want to market it as a high-end product when Google needs wider adoption.
 
Did Google hire Apple's Advertisement agency??? That ad, the music, theme, everything feels like a bad Apple ad rip-off..

BTW, are they expecting people to buy a new TV to have all these?? How are they gonna ship and sell them to globe, isnt it easier and more profitable to make :apple:TV like device and sell that? :confused:
 
I think some of you have overlooked a huge difference when comparing Atv to Gtv. When watching Atv you must stop what you are watching on television and switch inputs to the Atv, from the video, non video apps (meaning stuff besides Netflix and Amazon) are overlaid on top of the television signal on Gtv. This will be a game changing difference as you no longer need to stop what you're viewing to use an app, send an email etc. Gives Google and possibly the Boxee Box an upper hand.

This is exactly why I'm thinking of canceling my apple TV order and waiting for Google TV. The fact that you don't have to switch inputs is a big winner for me!
 
This is exactly why I'm thinking of canceling my apple TV order and waiting for Google TV. The fact that you don't have to switch inputs is a big winner for me!

I didn't realize pressing input 2 was all that difficult. Each his/her own I guess.
 
I didn't realize pressing input 2 was all that difficult. Each his/her own I guess.

It's not just the switching inputs, it's that from the looks of it, Google TV let's you watch *both* inputs at the same time!:)
 
BTW, are they expecting people to buy a new TV to have all these?? How are they gonna ship and sell them to globe, isnt it easier and more profitable to make :apple:TV like device and sell that? :confused:

GTV should be seen as a platform rather than a device. There will be GTV boxes that you connect to your existing TV (e.g. Logitech Revue), and there will be TV's coming out in the future with GTV built in.
 
I'd like to get excited about television, but you're still sitting there watching stuff from your couch.

Obvious insults aside, I'm in the same position. Insofar as I will sometimes get roped into watching TV at all, I'd rather pay a buck to watch what I want when I want ad-free - a lot cheaper in the long run (if I watch more than 60 shows a month I need to do something useful 40 shows ago).
 
Obvious insults aside, I'm in the same position. Insofar as I will sometimes get roped into watching TV at all, I'd rather pay a buck to watch what I want when I want ad-free - a lot cheaper in the long run (if I watch more than 60 shows a month I need to do something useful 40 shows ago).

Completely agree!
 
Google charges cell phone manufacturers nothing for Android. It's probably the same model with the Google TV. How else are they supposed to be making any money off this endeavor if not spamming users with ads? Advertisement is the only thing that works for Google. Google is not a high-tech company. Google is an ad agency that uses high tech as a trojan horse to infiltrate people's lives and spam them with ads.

Actually Sirozha... Google does charge for certain parts of Android, so get your facts straight.

Yes you can grab the Android source and modify as you will, but if you want to give your users access to Android Market, or Google appls suchs as GMail, Maps etc you DO have to pay licensing fees. Its all on android.com -> developers.

And they are obviously a tech company with the leading Search engine in the world, the fastest growing mobile OS, awesome GMail, Maps fantastic looking Google TV, Google Voice etc. etc.
 
Google charges cell phone manufacturers nothing for Android. It's probably the same model with the Google TV. How else are they supposed to be making any money off this endeavor if not spamming users with ads? Advertisement is the only thing that works for Google. Google is not a high-tech company. Google is an ad agency that uses high tech as a trojan horse to infiltrate people's lives and spam them with ads.

So advertisers are the scum of the earth apparently.

Now what exactly was one of them 7 pillars of iOS Steve introduced earlier this year:rolleyes:
 
I must've missed the part where Steve Jobs brags to the press about collecting and correlating that type of data, do you have a link?

Here's the link where Schmidt bragged to The Atlantic about his ability to spy on his users: http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...-ceo-the-laws-are-written-by-lobbyists/63908/



Where by "with your permission" he means anyone who uses Google's software or is "served" by Google's ads.

I think the whole 'evil' talk is overblown.. its not like these companies care about your individual profile out of millions and are sat there laughing at your profile pic and the your eating habits/ medication or whatever.

All these companies want is to be able to generate better targeted ads. So you as user are not shown stuff that is completely irrelevant, and the companies are not wasting resources. By building better targeted ads they have a more attractive platform with which to lure advertisers and make more money. They really dont care about you personally and are not hiring people to comb over your inner most secrets but will rather look to develop systems that aggregate statistics to gather trends and segment.
 
I'd like to feel bad for the fanboys... but it is far more satisfying to watch them squirm in frustration.

Blind loyalty isn't a virtue
 
I'm curious to see what Apple will do in response to this... I need to read up on this GoogleTV; looks kinda hot.
 
The fact it supports a full web browser and flash alone, makes it a better product than the apple tv IMO.

I will be able to go on many, many video websites, and not just be restricted to netflix, itunes content etc

What im more interesting is, is google tv just a platform/os like android? meaning different developers/manufacturers can make there own interface and stuff? and own hardware? like what htc, samsung do for there android phones?

if it is like the android os, then in a few years time we can probably see multiple different versions of google tv, and google tv hardware. If it is like this, apple would be fighting a losing battle really.
 
I think the whole 'evil' talk is overblown.. its not like these companies care about your individual profile out of millions and are sat there laughing at your profile pic and the your eating habits/ medication or whatever.
When a company has the cohones to have a corporate motto of "Don't Be Evil", they are automatically held to a different standard; brought on by themselves.

Sure, times change. But then let's have Sergey Brin and Larry Page on a stage with "Creepy" Eric Schmidt (his own words) to publicly renounce that whole mantra as a mere anachronism from the past...
 
Oddly enough, I happened to be watching Nightline last night and saw their piece on Google TV.

Clearly, this is not going anywhere in its current form. Just look at Sony's Google TV controller! You're expecting my family to use something like that, really?

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/10/05/controller.appears.on.abc.nightline/

Sad because I've wanted something like this since Windows Media Center was introduced in 2002. And I've tried them all --- Windows Media Center, Apple TV, SageTV, etc. No one has come up with a good solution for this.
 

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jaw04005 said:
Oddly enough, I happened to be watching Nightline last night and saw their piece on Google TV.

Clearly, this is not going anywhere in its current form. Just look at Sony's Google TV controller! You're expecting my family to use something like that, really?

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/10/05/controller.appears.on.abc.nightline/

Sad because I've wanted something like this since Windows Media Center was introduced in 2002. And I've tried them all --- Windows Media Center, Apple TV, SageTV, etc. No one has come up with a good solution for this.

Hopefully the option to use an Android handset or an iOS device as a remote by via an app would reduce the necessity to use the Sony styled remote.
 
"all on the big screen"

I think this sums up where society is going. We're going to have exponentially more distractions in our living rooms.

Come upgrade my dear friends from small to big screens.
 
Engadget has a whole review up on the new Google TV from the Logitech/google TV event held earlier today. Looks pretty good *amn it!
http://www.engadget.com
Apple TV team better get to brainstorming here soon.
 
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