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heh, if Samsung went away, i don't think any company could ever replace it.. it's too nuts to do from scratch anymore.. (unless, maybe, you're only talking about the electronics/phone parts of Samsung)



I'm aware of how big Samsung, but stopping the manufacturing of their own smartphones while they make a third mobile OS would greatly harm the company. The majority of sales from Samsung come from its phone division and a large chunk of their SC profits are because of the Mobile division. Stopping production of the Galaxy line would hurt almost every other part of the company. Samsung is not in a position to pick a fight with google, their best bet would be to continue to stay #1 in the android market and keep selling their chips and displays to everyone.

Unless Google or Apple pulls a Yahoo, I don't see how Samsung would be able to make a third option for a mobile OS without severely hurting its shareholders. If google takes some market share from Samsung, the proper response should be to make better phones, having a hissy fit will hurt Samsung way more than google.


What would samsungs of divisions do? refuse to sell components, stop all revenue? Even if they did go bankrupt, the divisions would be liquidated, they don't burn the place down so nothing would have to start from scratch.
 
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Superior hardware? Says who? Because Apple has 2 cameras make if superior? If the Pixel had 3 cameras that would make it superior? I'm confused.

Pretty much, yeah. A lot of Google's photo prowess comes from software. It's very impressive, but at the end of the day, it's computational photography... like Photoshop applied to photos.
 
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iPhone removes headphone jack
"AHAHAHH WTF ARE YOU KIDDING ME?"
Pixel 2 removes headphone jack
"Makes sense"

Airpods 2 $159
"$159?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA" ( https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/773594097323872259 )
Google Pixel Buds $159
"Cool!"

iPhone Rose Gold
"Ugly AF"
Pixel 2 Kinda Blue
"Ohhhh nice!"

Its you or me or the fanboys who argue. The companies releasing the products dont cry. Except that Apple used to cry about Android and Samsung at the keynotes, but they stopped in last couple of years. And you know why, every company copy one or other features from other companies
 
Based on DxO review it seems that the iPhone dual cam modules still produce superior portraits. Otherwise the Pixel cam clearly destroys Apple's best try. If only Apple didn't go cheap on the iPhone's image sensors...
 
I'm aware of how big Samsung, but stopping the manufacturing of their own smartphones while they make a third mobile OS would greatly harm the company. The majority of sales from Samsung come from its phone division and a large chunk of their SC profits are because of the Mobile division. Stopping production of the Galaxy line would hurt almost every other part of the company. Samsung is not in a position to pick a fight with google, their best bet would be to continue to stay #1 in the android market and keep selling their chips and displays to everyone.
hmmm.. yeah, i just jumped into the middle of a conversation and quoted one thing you said..
didn't realize there was talk about 3rd operating systems and picking fights with Google and whatnot.

so my reply could be way out of context.
srry.. i might go back and read through
 
hmmm.. yeah, i just jumped into the middle of a conversation and quoted one thing you said..
didn't realize there was talk about 3rd operating systems and picking fights with Google and whatnot.

so my reply could be way out of context.
srry.. i might go back and read through

No problem, I'm sure samsung is pissed but they don't have much to worry about IMO. my last 2 Androids were Samsungs with an iphone SE in between. I can't justify a Pixel with that price when my sell provider keeps giving me free Samsung's (A5 2016, A5 2017).
 
hmmm.. yeah, i just jumped into the middle of a conversation and quoted one thing you said..
didn't realize there was talk about 3rd operating systems and picking fights with Google and whatnot.

so my reply could be way out of context.
srry.. i might go back and read through
Don't feel too bad. The discussion between Rum and I started when they replied to my response to someone else...
Yes and china could easily take up the slack
I just want to be sure I understand your argument here: you think Google doesn't need Samsung because the loss of Android sales in the world's wealthiest economies will easily be replaced by more sales in China?
And do you know how they get those numbers? Since samsung has half the Android market, they sell the parts to themselves is all accounting magic. They are their own biggest customer most of the component profits are fromt he sale of their phones. As soon as LG ramps up, their display unit profits will reduce dramatically from external sources as well.
Do you have a reference that supports this? I thought I'd convinced myself this wasn't true, but there's some fuzziness between "inter company" revenue which is backed out of their revenues and "inter segment" revenues which don't seem to be. There's a line on their cash flow statement that deducts "inter company" revenues, but reading it again along with footnotes makes me think that's revenues reported to another company in the Samsung empire. It looks like Mobile and Semiconductors are segments of one company.
I'm not a fanboy, I want to see a strong apple and google so there is no stagnations. You on the other hand would like to see android become fragmented to the point where Apple gets 100% of the market.
You'd made the comment that only Apple and Apple fanboys are afraid of Pixel. That's what I mean by a fanboy-centric world view.

If you read my comments all the way to the top you'll see that I'm both curious how this strange set of business relationships is going to play out from a spectators' point of view and am concerned that Google could further fragment and weaken the one viable competitor to iOS.

You keep saying that adding another player (Google hardware) and sending current Android makers out to find other solutions is a good thing. I think that adds to fragmentation.
 
hard to tell the tone of these replies over the web, you know?
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hard to see what you're talking about since I'm not a parent and I do argue with my family and casual acquaintances from time to time.

I'm not a parent yet myself. Doesn't mean my point is not valid. ;) But, to each his (or her) own. I think most people can see what I'm talking about just fine. Whether they agree with it or not, well, that's the question you want to ask. I can see that you don't. No matter. I don't put much stock in strangers' opinions anyway. :p
 
google's solution isn't that great. bluetooth pairing sucks. needs something smarter. right now my QC35 bluetooth headphones has trouble detecting which device i want to hear from and i have to launch their stupid app to prevent the headphones from pairing with my macbook. really annoying.

i can always switch devices with my airpods with one or two taps/clicks. absolutely a breeze to do.

I never have Bluetooth pairing issues on my Samsung devices except for the Chromebook Plus which is a known bug. The Bluetooth pairing and detecting will not be a issue with Google phones just like it's not a issue with most Android phones.
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I have to say, I think that my gf and I are going to jump on the white XL as well. It's a good looking phone, and the always on screen is something I wish Apple had implemented on the X. The only thing we'll actually miss is iMessage, and being able to send from our MacBook Pro's. . .

You guys can install Google Hangouts for all messaging and use the web version of Hangouts on your Macs.
 
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I never have Bluetooth pairing issues on my Samsung devices except for the Chromebook Plus which is a known bug. The Bluetooth pairing and detecting will not be a issue with Google phones just like it's not a issue with most Android phones.
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You guys can install Google Hangouts for all messaging and use the web version of Hangouts on your Macs.
Is there some sort of extension for imessage to make it work with android?
 
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Is there some sort of extension for imessage to make it work with android?

Sadly for some...no extension at all. I can't see why Apple can't make some of their apps available to android phones especially since they use some of Google's apps. They should make a Android version of iMessage. I guess this keeps people locked in since some can't live without iMessage.
 
If Samsung pulls the plug, Google and Android would be just as strong. HTC, LG, Lenovo and all the other manufacturers would love to see this happen. Google does not need Samsung, the only way for Samsung to make an OS that has a chance in hell to compete would be if iOS or android goes under.
Samsung is arguably the only non Chinese Android OEM that makes enough money to push forward the platform and survive long enough. The rest are barely making any money. HTC is already down, bought by Google. LG is only a small player behind Samsung. Sony barely breaks even. The next big players are Huawei and Oppo, and both are focused on heavily skinning Android to be iOS clones. There's a reason why Samsung keeps TouchWiz despite the complaints. More people are familiar with TW than stock Android. Samsung knows they still need Android, but they are pushing their own services to their customers (Galaxy app store, Bixby, Samsung pay, etc).
 
I just want to be sure I understand your argument here: you think Google doesn't need Samsung because the loss of Android sales in the world's wealthiest economies will easily be replaced by more sales in China?

This is nothing to do with buying androids. As you stated, Samsung has a large chunk of the low end market, if Samsung stopped making phones, China (companies like lenovo) would increase production to offset this. For higher end devices, Android users would still have lots of options and Companies like LG, HTC, and Lenovo would be able to to pick up the slack. Samsung would still be making the parts for a lot of these phones, as their production has to go somewhere, Unless you think they will completely stop all production.

Do you have a reference that supports this? I thought I'd convinced myself this wasn't true, but there's some fuzziness between "inter company" revenue which is backed out of their revenues and "inter segment" revenues which don't seem to be. There's a line on their cash flow statement that deducts "inter company" revenues, but reading it again along with footnotes makes me think that's revenues reported to another company in the Samsung empire. It looks like Mobile and Semiconductors are segments of one company.

First off the display business from your source is not even the biggest source of profit, the Semiconductor division is. The reason why the Mobile division has so much revenue but small profit is because those low end phone don't make that mobile division money. the division that makes the money on the low end phones is the SC division. Besides RAM and SSD for PC's, the SC business transfers most of it's production to the Mobile side. Selling the low end phones brings down the cost for the higher end devices through economies of scale. Samsung just can't stop making phones for years without laying off a huge amount of employees. Just the severance payouts would be ridiculous, no sain company would do this just to spite google. Considering what happened to NOKIA, microsoft and Blackberry, the chances of success would be slim. To top it off, once they return to production, most of the lines will be outdated.

You keep saying that adding another player (Google hardware) and sending current Android makers out to find other solutions is a good thing. I think that adds to fragmentation.

Having more partners will not add fragmentation. If the Pixel works and other follow suit and copy the strategy with vanilla or near vanilla, phones will be updated faster . Lenovo and other Manufacturers that use Vanilla android have been updating their phones faster. Fragmentation is not having to many manufacturers, it that phones are all on different OS versions. I got a 2017 Samsung A5 a month ago, the phone was sold with marshmallow when Oreo is already out. The update for nougat just came out last week and now my new phone is only 1 year out of date.

From your first post on this, you mentioned how android is an open garden and about choice for end users, well it's not as I can't chose to have the latest and greatest OS on my 2017 phone. Hopefully the Pixel will bring an end to this practice, what the point of google investing in android if the release of a new OS version is so anti climatic because you have to wait over a year to get the update. The S8 is not even on Oreo, I would be pissed on paying that kinda money and not having all the new features.

In order for Google to increase market share, they need a more uniform OS, not identical but more uniform. I think Pixel will help that and increase revenue for all partners . This year google is paying Apple 3 billion just to be the default search for iOS, with more market share, that cost would go down. Samsung is the chief fragmentor, with Bixby and other products. Google is not going to sit back and watch Apple trample all over android, Pixel is needed IMO to get the partners back in line and stop the fragmentation (OS- software)
 
Google is already running out of Pixel 2 stock

PIXEL 2:

Black 64GB: In stock.
Black 128GB: In stock.
White 64GB: 5-6 weeks.
White 128GB: 2-3 weeks
Blue 64GB: 6-7 weeks

PIXEL 2 XL:

Black 64GB: 2-3 weeks
Black 128GB: 2-3 weeks
White 64GB: out of stock, waitlist
White 128GB: out of stock, waitlist.

They never stock many. It doesn't really help their sales. They only sold 1 million devices last year. Last year, there was a waitlist as well.
 
Sadly for some...no extension at all. I can't see why Apple can't make some of their apps available to android phones especially since they use some of Google's apps. They should make a Android version of iMessage. I guess this keeps people locked in since some can't live without iMessage.
I agree. They should open up a bit for androids...but I can understand that they want to keep it close.
 
Sadly for some...no extension at all. I can't see why Apple can't make some of their apps available to android phones especially since they use some of Google's apps. They should make a Android version of iMessage. I guess this keeps people locked in since some can't live without iMessage.

One obvious reason is iMessage is encrypted and having it on android will allow anyone to break the encryption cause nothing is secure on android.

If you have an iPhone and MacBook and use iMessage, look at keychain. You’ll see encryption keys for every iMessage thread which is nuts.
 
Samsung is arguably the only non Chinese Android OEM that makes enough money to push forward the platform and survive long enough. The rest are barely making any money. HTC is already down, bought by Google. LG is only a small player behind Samsung. Sony barely breaks even. The next big players are Huawei and Oppo, and both are focused on heavily skinning Android to be iOS clones. There's a reason why Samsung keeps TouchWiz despite the complaints. More people are familiar with TW than stock Android. Samsung knows they still need Android, but they are pushing their own services to their customers (Galaxy app store, Bixby, Samsung pay, etc).

Exactly, but that does not mean things can't be improved, I think the pixel is a step in the right direction. Android branding is all over the place, my first android was a nexus 5 and I loved it, if google kept making cheap nexus devices, I would have the latest one running OREO. Without a cheap nexus available, I settled for a 2017 A5 which came with a 2 year old OS.
 
So, garbage designed to use google who just steals your information and makes you the cattle they survive on. Go to hell google.
What a load of hysterical and inaccurate guff.

I am sure you have never ever used any of their services, all for free. Not once have you used Maps, street view, search engine, YouTube, earth. Yeah, right. How did you even find this website, all those years ago?

Grow up.
 
Well, partly correct. Since the hardware is the limiting factor, if Apple wanted to, they could continue to tweak their algorithms to get better pictures out of the superior hardware whereas Google’s upside is limited.

Besides, DxOmark is not the be all end all... many in the camera industry have argued for years that they’re unreliable and have accused them of being biased; not unlike research companies that favor companies that spend a lot of money buying their reports. Some, including Android publications, have even argued that their scores are meaningless, as have some professional photographers.

I don't disagree. But my point was I was simply indicating why others seem the need to want to compare everything to the iPhone camera, when Google having a different stand alone camera is successful on its own right. Not every capability has to have the iPhone in comparison, when it's not always appropriate.
 
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I’d prefer Google to price this far lower. More like the Nexus, democratising technology by showing it needn’t be expensive.

Considering that full adoption of Google ecosystem means giving up considerable privacy, cheapness is the only hand Google has to play imo.

However huge props for not making the tech dependent on the screen size as I hate the larger screens.
 
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I’d prefer Google to price this far lower. More like the Nexus, democratising technology by showing it needn’t be expensive.
That's the thing. I bought the Nexus One up to Nexus 5 because I understand the tradeoff, some privacy for a discounted handset with minimal support. The pixel still has minimal support (only 2 years OS upgrades, no international warranty), yet I will be paying iPhone prices. And I will still be giving up my privacy to Google. Such a rip off.

Good thing some OEMs seem to be jumping into up the Android One bandwagon. Xiaomi MI A1 is 1000% more attractive than the pixel. Same OS support for less than half the price. Only blind Android Fanboys (or sponsored blogger/youtubers) would buy the Pixel.
 
This is by far the least interesting device released this year.

No headphone jack, great. More expensive Bluetooth headphones, brilliant. Looks like a boring slab with limited/weird color combinations, how marvelous. Oh and look at those mediocre specs and ugly camera setup! Bah!.

Does the average consumer really care about what you're talking about regarding the phone? No one is going to go into a store and say "look at the boring slab with the weird color combination or those mediocre specs and ugly camera set up." This is a tech site where enthusiasts dissect down every little feature. In the real world, the average consumer is going to go into a store and perhaps experiment with a display model for a minute or two and then make up their mind which color. That's literally what it comes down to.

Even your headphone jack comment, isn't that much of a dealbreaker for the majority of average consumers, because Bluetooth is so viable and more widespread than it was years ago.
 
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Really another one with no headphone jack? It's a dongle filled future (and no bluetooth thanks, I dont want another thing to have to remember to recharge every day)

You don't need to charge bluetooth headphone every day - and you could always use a pair of headphones with lightning/USB-C.

You're just complaining without looking at the options at hand. Feel free to resist "progress", but you should at least be fair about your complaints.
 
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