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Oh really. I think its you not making yourself clear actually.
You responded to a clip of a clip of a clip. Just drop it. Didn't want to steer the thread off topic and now just filling it up with this pointlessness. There is no right/wrong here, just stop.
 
It's interesting to read the responses from iPhone users that obviously feel threatened by this innovative new smartphone from Google. Without even bothering to get the facts straight they bash Google using rather ignorant statements. Why they react to competition this way is not surprising, but the vitriol does seem extreme.
Really, what exactly is innovative about the pixel? It has it's points that look better than the iPhone in some regards, but I would argue the Google services are it's biggest advantage over the phone itself. For those in Apple's camp liking their ecosystem, that may not be enough for them to switch.

Quite honestly it is a near equal game of top trumps when comparing the two phones, each has a few things over the other, and would be something to weigh by the individual when making the purchase.

Water resistant = iPhone
Highest Resolution display = Pixel
Pressure Sensitive Screen = iPhone (Maybe Pixel too, but not sure)
Highest RAM = Pixel
Highest Storage capacity = iPhone
Best camera* = Pixel
Stereo Speakers = iPhone
Headphone Jack = Pixel
LTE Advanced = Both

*as rated by DXO but will likely been contested in the wild

As compared to Samsung and other Android phones for the same / similar price, it doesn't really bring anything new to the table, with the exception being Services. At it's price point the Pixel will have somewhat of an uphill battle. It all depends on if Google can strike magic in the eyes of consumers to purchase it.

At the end of the day, I like the phone, I don't mind the similar design, and hopefully the public will consider it over some of the other options out there.
 
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I would feel embarrassed pulling out a Google phone out of my pocket in public. I dunno, pulling out an iPhone just feels cool. Hard to explain this psychological phenomenon.

With a Google product, you feel yourself like a second-class citizen that lives in a third-world country. Whereas Apple products feel luxurious, it's like owning a Porsche, or like living in Switzerland or Monaco.

Even if I bought my iPhone at Wal-Mart?
 
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It's literally a century old technology. If you need it, use it via extender. Everytime a technology is dropped a bunch of stuck-up internet warriors springs up and throws a fit.
Nobody cares. It's gone. Deal with it.

Only you think that. Thank God.
 
While I'm impressed about Google AI/assistant advances (Siri is borderline pathetic in any possible comparison) and I'm kind of interested in that Home device, I expected more from the Pixel phone. Underwhelming design (looks like an ugly iPhone), no wireless charging, not waterproof.

For the time being I've decided to stick with iOS devices (just ordered black 7 plus 128GB). But I'm still pissed about the state of Macs. If the upcoming updates are not radically good and thorough, I'll have to explore how living with PC + iOS works out.
 
I would feel embarrassed pulling out a Google phone out of my pocket in public. I dunno, pulling out an iPhone just feels cool. Hard to explain this psychological phenomenon.

With a Google product, you feel yourself like a second-class citizen that lives in a third-world country. Whereas Apple products feel luxurious, it's like owning a Porsche, or like living in Switzerland or Monaco.

Actually it's extremely easy.

Thats why we have marketing for. They sold us on this idea. if you were to erase any history of knowledge of the smartphone industry, and you put multiple devices next to eachother, and lets say they're all at the same price, you wouldn't likely get that feeling, or yo would of whatever you chose.

The real test for critical thinking, is being able to disseminate that marketing information, and step back and take an unbiased approach to phone buying, without all the marketing hooplah.

There was a LOT of hooplah in the Pixel announcement. will wait till launch
 
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I'm 100% getting an Android phone this time around, but unfortunately Google did not convince me to choose theirs. Probably going with a Samsung Galaxy S7 instead.
 
It's literally a century old technology. If you need it, use it via extender. Everytime a technology is dropped a bunch of stuck-up internet warriors springs up and throws a fit.
Nobody cares. It's gone. Deal with it.


It's not a relic. And it's not just a technology. It's called a standard. Everyone else uses it, including Apple. I was expecting something amazing from Apple that would make me want to stop using my wired headphones. I was wrong. The technology just isn't there yet to allow me to effortlessly use the iPhone 7 anywhere I want. I'm not ready to give up on iOS, but a lot of us aren't ready to give up on the headphone jack, which is simply the best solution out there at the moment. It's a century old because there's nothing better.
 
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Wrong! That is what YOU think! We have heard that over and over again and it is quite old.
Reality may be that many people will get Apple devices because they get the job done hassle free. I personally have jumped quite few times to Android, the iPhone experience for me have been unparalleled. I have not used windows phones but I have heard a good things about the OS (apart from the lack of apps)

Well my train of thought is backed up by a very high retention rate. If over 80% of people stick with iPhones, that's a weird measure of failure ....

A gimmick offered by the competition means nothing to someone not interested in switching . People who actively switch are such a minority .

I own an android devices , 3 mobile phones, though I have never left Apple. I buy it cause it has an Apple logo on the back, I'm deep in the ecosystem
 
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Really, what exactly is innovative about the pixel? It has it's points that look better than the iPhone in some regards, but I would argue the Google services are it's biggest advantage over the phone itself. For those in Apple's camp liking their ecosystem, that may not be enough for them to switch.
The Assistant seems to be an innovation, if it works well, it might change the way people interact with their phones to a natural language model. And presumably the deep integration with the various other devices they announced.

I personally find them overpriced, but based on past experience they might be significantly discounted by spring 2017, at which point they might become a good value proposition, given the top specs.

What's really interesting is if the Assistant and Pixel launcher will become available on other Android devices and iOS. This is both good and bad for Google. More users, but makes their own phones less compelling.
 
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Looks like a good phone, but as someone who bought a Nexus 5 and still considers myself in that same price range, they aren't offering any options I'd consider.

Shame, seems like they definitely could offer models for both high end and more budget conscious customers.
 
It's not a relic. And it's not just a technology. It's called a standard. Everyone else uses it, including Apple. I was expecting something amazing from Apple that would make me want to stop using my wired headphones. I was wrong. The technology just isn't there yet to allow me to effortlessly use the iPhone 7 anywhere I want. I'm not ready to give up on iOS, but a lot of us aren't ready to give up on the headphone jack, which is simply the best solution out there at the moment. It's a century old because there's nothing better.
How is it the best solution exactly?
How are you supposed to drop a "standard" then? Shrink the headphone jack? Include less of them? What are you expected to do?
And what about AirPods as a solution is wrong? What about wireless dongles for other peripheral devices is wrong? As we speak, I'm using a 3$ bluetooth dongle for my 1980 HiFi tower so I don't need to fiddle with jacks.

Mind you, VGA was standard, Ethernet was standard, DVI was standard, Firewire was standard and I could probably go on.
What's the improvement of DVI over VGA, that Apple dropped more than a decade ago?


Only you think that. Thank God.
well no, apparently so does apple? And apparently everyone who buys an iPhone 7 doesn't think it's a big deal.
 
Should we also be concerned for our iPhones then as they feature fast charging also, for the most part you just need a better power supply to see it. Though they do charge faster to around 80% then slow the charging rate for the remaining 20% even with the standard 1A charger, hence the lawsuit against them.

I use my iPad Pro USB-C charger with my iPhone and get from 0% to 50% in just under half an hour. That should be the same when using any 2A or above iPad charger as the iPhone is designed to take advantage of the higher current available to it. If that's not fast charging, what is it? It's also why there's sophisticated circuitry to constantly monitor the condition of the battery, it's temperature and so on and adjust accordingly.

As I mentioned in a previous post, Apple also has fast charging, just not as fast as some others who aren't necessarily looking out for user's best long-term interests and more towards short-term sales. It's a trade off.

I also occasionally use my iPad charger to charge my iPhone faster but only if I absolutely have to.
 
The Assistant seems to be an innovation, if it works well, it might change the way people interact with their phones to a natural language model. And presumably the deep integration with the various other devices they announced.

I personally find them overpriced, but based on past experience they might be significantly discounted by spring 2017, at which point they might become a good value proposition, given the top specs.

What's really interesting is if the Assistant and Pixel launcher will become available on other Android devices and iOS. This is both good and bad for Google. More users, but makes their own phones less compelling.

The Google Assistant is very exciting.
I had a Personal Assistant 10 years ago and in todays money we are looking at £20,000 and that North West UK wages London double that.
To me the Google Assistant is really very much the next big thing.
I have cancelled my Dot pre-order and am investing in Google Home.
Would like a UK approx release date for Google Home though, will it be 2016? - hope so
cheers
 
Looks like a good phone, but as someone who bought a Nexus 5 and still considers myself in that same price range, they aren't offering any options I'd consider.

Shame, seems like they definitely could offer models for both high end and more budget conscious customers.
If you have an iPhone you already have less for more money.
 
How is it the best solution exactly?
How are you supposed to drop a "standard" then? Shrink the headphone jack? Include less of them? What are you expected to do?
And what about AirPods as a solution is wrong? What about wireless dongles for other peripheral devices is wrong? As we speak, I'm using a 3$ bluetooth dongle for my 1980 HiFi tower so I don't need to fiddle with jacks.

Mind you, VGA was standard, Ethernet was standard, DVI was standard, Firewire was standard and I could probably go on.
What's the improvement of DVI over VGA, that Apple dropped more than a decade ago?



well no, apparently so does apple? And apparently everyone who buys an iPhone 7 doesn't think it's a big deal.

Don't be deliberately delusional for the sake of argument, it's insulting to the readers of this forum. The 3.5mm jack is a global standard STILL for a reason. IT. JUST. WORKS. And it's small. And every other device is compatible with it.

If Apple can't innovate by including the jack, then they really are lost. I'll never use wireless headphones because a) they sound like sh*t b) I don't need another device I need to remember to have to recharge and c) they're ridiculously expensive especially when you factor in their poor sound quality.
 
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Even the ***** wall paper on the phone is copied from Apple. Lets be honest here, Google cannot innovate - they can only copy. Google music - Apple Music, Google home - Amazon Echo, Chromecast - Apple TV, Google WIFI, Apple Airport. Android - iOS. They have 1 good original thing - search - that is it!

As Steve Jobs once said: Good artists copy; great artists steal.
 
While I'm impressed about Google AI/assistant advances (Siri is borderline pathetic in any possible comparison) and I'm kind of interested in that Home device, I expected more from the Pixel phone. Underwhelming design (looks like an ugly iPhone), no wireless charging, not waterproof.

For the time being I've decided to stick with iOS devices (just ordered black 7 plus 128GB). But I'm still pissed about the state of Macs. If the upcoming updates are not radically good and thorough, I'll have to explore how living with PC + iOS works out.

Hey, the iphone isn't water proof! It is water *resistant*.
 
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As I mentioned in a previous post, Apple also has fast charging, just not as fast as some others who aren't necessarily looking out for user's best long-term interests and more towards short-term sales. It's a trade off.

I also occasionally use my iPad charger to charge my iPhone faster but only if I absolutely have to.


I have to admit that I used to hold off from using iPad chargers for a bit of a time boost. But eventually I gave in, two years on my iPhone battery is no worse than any other I've had. Well ok this is the first time I've had an iPhone longer than a year. But what I mean is performance is as good as I would expect it to be, I still get great battery life that lasts all day.

As you say, there's always a trade off with rapid charging. Though the technology is constantly evolving for it. But for Apple at least they've taken the sensible route and not overdone it. Can't speak for others never had them long enough. But if you're expecting to keep your iPhone for somewhere in the 1-4 year bracket I think you'd be fine. There's plenty of safeguards built in to protect the battery and adjust charge times accordingly.
 
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