So im ignorant because i have an opinion? we'll said, well said, you make it WAY to easy for people not to take you seriously.
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So im ignorant because i have an opinion? we'll said, well said, you make it WAY to easy for people not to take you seriously.
It's ok to have an opinion that's wrong. Just don't get angry when someone calls points it out as such.
why not buy a few adapters and super glue them CAREFULLY to the headphones.
I think that's what Apple would want people to do... you know, just load up on adaptors.
To be fair, though, there are many good Bluetooth headsets. They do run at a higher price if you don't want the sound reduction to be noticeable. I spent 400 dollars on mine. Their sound is great though and it's practical to not have to deal with wires. They also charge up real quickly and lasts me for 1-2 weeks on a full charge.
I always accidentally drop either my phone or headset due to wires anyway. I wouldn't have minded a jack on the iPhone 7+ but I'm just as fine without it.
I do think it's worth investing in a great Bluetooth headset. I use mine on everything, not just the iPhone 7+. It's nice just to tap a button to change connection from one device to another.
Though the converted isn't expensive so it wouldn't hurt to stock up on a few for each headset. I leave mine attached to my Boze earbuds, and find that a good solution for not losing them. As for my razer or beats headset, I just don't use them anymore after I got the Bluetooth headset. Mostly cause they're too bulky to bring on the go.
I always accidentally drop either my phone or headset due to wires anyway. I wouldn't have minded a jack on the iPhone 7+ but I'm just as fine without it.
I do think it's worth investing in a great Bluetooth headset. I use mine on everything, not just the iPhone 7+. It's nice just to tap a button to change connection from one device to another.
Though the converted isn't expensive so it wouldn't hurt to stock up on a few for each headset. I leave mine attached to my Boze earbuds, and find that a good solution for not losing them. As for my razer or beats headset, I just don't use them anymore after I got the Bluetooth headset. Mostly cause they're too bulky to bring on the go.
I would argue that a clean and responsive UI that is typical of Google's pure implementation of Android a big feature in and of itself.
Water resistant = iPhone
Yes, but it's not IP68 like the Galaxy phones, resistant isn't big enough of a leap forward.
Highest Resolution display = Pixel
Meh, I would say the iPhone screen is good enough to not warrant this a win for Pixel. But then again, this is important for VR and Google is doubling down in that space also. We'll see.
Pressure Sensitive Screen = iPhone (Maybe Pixel too, but not sure)
Are you talking about 3D Touch? I would treat as a change in the way you interact wiht your phone, but it's not like you can't implement it without 3D Touch. A long press will for the most part achieve Peek and Pop just without the oomph
Highest RAM = Pixel
This is mute, RAM itself means nothing. It's how well the phone performs and utilized by the OS. iPhone is super optimized, so I would make this a wash. Pixel has no advantage here.
Highest Storage capacity = iPhone
Really? That is not an advantage for Apple for most folks. You have to pay for the capacity. Most people will opt for just the cheapest phone and both offer 32 GB at that level. If you want to talk capacity, Google offers FREE unlimited photo and video space at their original full resolution if you buy this phone. That is an insane value. That means you don't need to stress local storage as much and use it for other things like apps. So poof goes the iPhone advantage.
Best camera* = Pixel
We'll have to wait and see like you said. I still think iPhone comes out on top because of its masterfully stable OIS and superior slow motion camera. However, last year's Nexus 6P has a phenomenol low light capability, I think better than the iPhone or Galaxy at the time. If Google can repeat on that front, they have a winner.
Stereo Speakers = iPhone
Agree, it's mind boggling that Google would reverse course from the awesome stereo speakers of the Nexus 6P
Headphone Jack = Pixel
LTE Advanced = Both
You forgot a few other arguably important points as well
Fast Charging = Pixel
No excuse for Apple here. Fast Charging is a life saver.
Split Screen Mode = Pixel
Big phone, sure why not?
Better Voice Assistant = Pixel, Pixel, Pixel
There is no contest. The fact that the device has this baked in at its core make it much more useful.
Charging Standard = Pixel
I think the availability of USB C will only rise from here as all Android phones adopt this standard. Plus, the Macbook is already taking this.
Please, if you're attempting to counter-argument at least get your facts straight. I'll test out my 3$ bluetooth dongle when I get to my studio and see how it fares on a high-end system, but so far, i can't say wireless sounds like ****, at least not at its current state (it used to sound ****).
(b) is valid, (c) is irrelevant when talking about mobile technology. Good WiFi router is more expensive than a built-in modem plugged directly into the wall...
How do you propose innovating while including the headphone jack?
When apple dropped VGA every other device was also still compatible with the standard. And it worked. And it was smaller. (smaller than DVI to be frank). and it just worked. ?! your point? Lets stay on headphone jack forever?
Your comparison just doesn't hold water. VGA had real issues with high resolutions, and the industry as a whole was moving to raster digital displays and thus digital video connectors. Apple hardly pioneered or innovated the move away from VGA. Had Apple never existed, the VGA would had gone away anyway.
The audio jack has no such problems, it can deliver perfect audio quality just fine, and the industry as a whole is not moving away from using analog cables for sending audio signals.
What Apple did wasn't innovation, it was a design decision to save space on the phone, at the cost of inconveniencing some customers, with the added benefit of more vendor lock-in for lightning headphones.
I'm looking forward to when Apple eliminates other trailing-edge technology from the iPhone like the speaker, volume buttons and heck, why not, the phone.
What do people use the Echo for anyway? I'm completely serious. I'm having trouble finding use cases.
I get that some people might prefer to speak commands rather than type. I don't see the appeal personally, especially since I have noisy kids. I'm also a visual learner so not having a screen to show me stuff is a big drawback.
So it would have to be some time when I couldn't use my hands to interact with a phone or other device. I can think of two rooms where I might be unable to touch devices: the kitchen and bathroom. Alexa isn't going to be in the bathroom so I'd have to home alone, be preparing food and urgently need to communicate with the outside world. Hmmm, I really don't think that's ever happened in my life.
Maybe when I lose my eyesight and mobility in the future I'll get a virtual assistant of some sort.
Non-balanced analog audio has issues with EMI, has issues with distance, has issues with fraying cables (most if not all earbuds i needed to replace were due to frayed part of the jack).
Industry has used digital (ADAT, SPDIF, AES/EBU) for audio signals for a while, and connections are exclusively balanced. You're not locked in. You can use an adapter... It's like saying they locked in costumers when they dropped FireWire from MacBooks, yet here I am happily using RME Fireface 400 on my Retina MacBook for the last 4 years.
Just as with MDP/Thunderbolt, you still have the option to connect to an old piece of equipment... if you need to. The only big deal I see here is that they removed it without introducing another method of connectivity OR introduced wireless charging at the same time so the port is free for data/audio all the time.
Also, ethernet is still faster than WiFi... All the time, and they removed it 4 years ago.
You should feel more embarrased about how hard you got BTFO'd by many people in this thread because of this asinine post.
I would also argue that End to end optimization of hardware to software is equal in that regard, so that is a draw.
I find it humorous that you take issue to almost every feature I mention, and have an opposing viewpoint. But, it's why I love the community here at MacRumors. My responses, to, your comments, will be in blue.
Water resistant = iPhone
Yes, but it's not IP68 like the Galaxy phones, resistant isn't big enough of a leap forward.
It's irrelevant to this discussion, as the iPhone is iP67, and the pixel is not rated to resist water.
Highest Resolution display = Pixel
Meh, I would say the iPhone screen is good enough to not warrant this a win for Pixel. But then again, this is important for VR and Google is doubling down in that space also. We'll see.
It still tops the iPhone, and covers exactly what you stated VR, a big selling point (to google) for this phone.
Pressure Sensitive Screen = iPhone (Maybe Pixel too, but not sure)
Are you talking about 3D Touch? I would treat as a change in the way you interact wiht your phone, but it's not like you can't implement it without 3D Touch. A long press will for the most part achieve Peek and Pop just without the oomph
3D touch responds immediately to added pressure, reducing the delay it takes for the user to achieve their desired result. People are hyper sensitive over lag, yet overlook the inherent delay in long press. This always amuses me.
Highest RAM = Pixel
This is mute, RAM itself means nothing. It's how well the phone performs and utilized by the OS. iPhone is super optimized, so I would make this a wash. Pixel has no advantage here.
I agree, but, Android fans love to throw that in iOS users faces.
Highest Storage capacity = iPhone
Really? That is not an advantage for Apple for most folks. You have to pay for the capacity. Most people will opt for just the cheapest phone and both offer 32 GB at that level. If you want to talk capacity, Google offers FREE unlimited photo and video space at their original full resolution if you buy this phone. That is an insane value. That means you don't need to stress local storage as much and use it for other things like apps. So poof goes the iPhone advantage.
It matters when you don't have the option to install an SD card. Free Unlimited photo and video space in the cloud is awesome, provided you have enough bandwidth at home, or mobile to take advantage of it.
Best camera* = Pixel
We'll have to wait and see like you said. I still think iPhone comes out on top because of its masterfully stable OIS and superior slow motion camera. However, last year's Nexus 6P has a phenomenol low light capability, I think better than the iPhone or Galaxy at the time. If Google can repeat on that front, they have a winner.
All depends on Sensors and software. Pixel could in fact be better, I just don't put much faith in DXO. I also find the timing of the announcement a bit curious.
Stereo Speakers = iPhone
Agree, it's mind boggling that Google would reverse course from the awesome stereo speakers of the Nexus 6P
Headphone Jack = Pixel
LTE Advanced = Both
You forgot a few other arguably important points as well
Fast Charging = Pixel
No excuse for Apple here. Fast Charging is a life saver.
It has been well documented that the iPhone 6S and 7 actually do charge faster with higher amp chargers than they come equipped with. May not achieve the supercharger speed some Android devices reach, but fast charging has it's own tradeoff. Charging super fast is all good, however it reduces the life of a battery, and on sealed devices, and generates considerable heat that could lead to other issues. I am glad Apple chose to increase charging speed, but didn't go hog wild
Split Screen Mode = Pixel
Big phone, sure why not?
Valid point, but this is where the higher pixel density helps the Pixel.
Better Voice Assistant = Pixel, Pixel, Pixel
There is no contest. The fact that the device has this baked in at its core make it much more useful.
I find Siri quite useful, underrated, and misunderstood by too many. It does have limitations, but it's far from dead weight. The software Google is incorporating sounds awesome and I do hope it pushes Apple to do better machine learning going forward.
Charging Standard = Pixel
I think the availability of USB C will only rise from here as all Android phones adopt this standard. Plus, the Macbook is already taking this.
I am fine with USB-C, but I also like Lightning and feel it is more robust hardware. Debating between Lightning and USB-C is a totally different topic, but I don't personally see it as advantage Pixel.
I have an Alexa and a couple of Echo Dots. There is a reason why it's the best selling Amazon item (I believe I read that somewhere
I use it to turn on and off lights and change colors (LiFX all around the house), to play and change music (one Echo Dot is hooked up to a large BT-capable speaker set up). , podcasts, news, etc., to ask stuff that I would normally have to Google on my computer or phone (how many grams or ounces is 3.5 cups..."), to ask for the time, etc.. "Who is this?" will tell you the artist and the song, "thumbs down" will rate and skip Pandora tracks..., you really get used to it.
I find myself not even thinking about it, just asking and most of the time I get what I need. It's become a part of my life
It has a really good ability to reject extraneous noise such as music and to hear me and understand me, even from about 50 feet.
I fully expect Google's device to be as, or more, useful.
I never had EMI issues on analog audio connectors (you'd need pretty strong signals to interfere in an audible way), and funnily enough, never had any issues with fraying cables. Doesn't lightning have issues with fraying cables anyway? How is it better?
Digital connections as in complementary to analog ones, yes. Not replacing them. If you look at any A/V receiver or integrated amp, from mass-market Sonys to mid-range Denons/Yamahas to high-end stuff like Meridian/Burmester, all have more analog connections than digital ones.
As for balanced stuff, that's not the "industry", that's niche. Believe me, I'm typing this while listening to Electrocompaniet audio, with a fully balanced construction.
Having an adapter is not the same thing, and yes, it's lock-in if you spend money on lightning headphones unusable on any other device on the planet except for the iPhone.
Different problem, Ethernet is physically big, headphone jack is tiny, and the laptops are generally fine on WiFi. Ethernet isn't going anywhere also.
Anyway, moot points. I was pointing out that comparing VGA with the headphone jack is just not relevant. As I said before, VGA had real problems with high-resolution raster displays and it was a matter of time until the industry was going to kick it out. I was buying monitors for my business during this transition. I remember too well how to the VGA monitors became VGA-DVI, and then DVI. Apple's choice had no bearing on the transition.
Otherwise, I see no point in putting tiny DACs in the connectors and calling this an improvement. It makes a lot more sense to have a good DAC in the phone, and that benefits all the headphones you connect to it. You can do other smart stuff as well - my phone has a DTS-licensed sound enhancer which is actually very good, and I prefer to use analog audio to benefit from it, rather than digital.
Yep, and the wheel is also 5000 years old, maybe we should also stop using it? Also, all the music you listen to is still being recorded with old technology, using even older 1/4 plugs. Please don't be ignorant.
This thread is like a how-to for moving from Pixel vs iPhone to analog jack vs lightning connector in 5 easy posts
Back to the Pixels. I'll make a prediction: they won't sell well. Sure they're solid phones, perhaps technically best, but I think to reach iPhone success people need "sexy" instead of good, and sexy they aren't. I don't know why they didn't go for a futuristic, out there design, possibly using the led strip from the Pixel C tablet as a signature.
I'll go one by one.
1) actually, EDGE (not 3G) signal often interferes with audio equipment. Wireless doesn't fray. Lightning does.
I'm sorry, they don't really "fray", they lose connection inside. Obviously no cable is immune to that, that's why I said wireless is the way to go.
2) Because people have no clue how to use them/they want to connect *OLD* equipment. Guaranteed, new cinema system, new TV and new reciever, you can go single cable digital to all of them.
3) I was talking about the audio industry not entertainment industry. I didn't know which industry you were referring to exactly.
4) how and why is having an adapter not the same thing? whats the problem?
5) So you're fine on some devices not having ethernet and other do, yet for headphone jack you hold a different opinion? why? Also, headphone jack and water resistance don't go that well together, Galaxy S7 fares much under water than iPhone 7. Perhaps it's not the headphone jack though... I don't know how hard would be to water proof it as much as they did with headphone jack included.
6) I know, they were just one of the first to ditch it. and you're forgetting about projectors too.
7) Ugh. I don't know what kind of enhancer do you speak of, but surely, its not an analog device that you attach to your phone? And if it is, you sure it operates analoguely?
The only real point i'm inclined to agree with you is that they didn't really think it through.
- not everybody wants to go wireless (bt), although the only concern is *battery*, and it IS a concern. Sound quality point is irrelevant at this point.
- lightning headphones are not a replacement and they just create a confusion. If they shipped airpods with iPhone 7 I wouldn't really care, because wireless is the future here. It would be the same if they shipped normal EarPods with the 3.5mm adapter. I don't want lightning headphones around anymore than you do, despite the fact that I support removal of headphone jack.
you really don't have to tell me how music is recorded...
Patchbays use older bantam 1/6" connectors, that are self cleaning. Newer studios employ digitally controlled patchbays. In a studio environment, all connections are exclusively balanced, meaning you have 2 wires per channel instead of one (like here), which effectively cancels noise. Further more, most of interconnects for largers devices are done digitally, simply because you can connect 8 channels of high resolution uncompressed audio via simple optical cable instead of bulky, 16+1 (16 for signal, 1 for ground) lines for 8 balanced connections.
Most professional high-end gear uses XLRs, not jacks anyway, and there is more and more hardware that employs DAC.
But that is beside the point. There are a lot of Cathode Ray displays still in use in broadcast monitoring rooms, but that doesn't mean its either practical or relevant for consumer.
There are also a lot of DSP controlled monitors with their owns DACs on the market.
I'll take your word for that, although some pointers would be nice. Since I live in Switzerland, I'm not even sure we have EDGE here. I'm usually on LTE all the time. And anyway, as far as I know, most headphones cables are actually shielded. I've never had unshielded ones. I still think you'd need a pretty obnoxious signal to disrupt the audio.
Well I see where you're coming from, my very personal experience is listening with headphones while on flights, where the nice attendant asks us to turn off wireless signals or else we get nabbed by the cops.
Yes, there's HDMI for that. Solving many problems: video, jitter, encryption, multi-channel audio, DSD, audio return. Still, it hasn't vanquished the good old analog audio, and it won't for a long time. On top of it, at the higher end you want to control where your DAC is, and this usually means analog audio on the way.
Since I use audio mostly for entertainment, I'm not sure I understand the distinction.
"Problem" is too big a word - I'm merely having an enjoyable conversation here with a knowledgeable fellow, and I don't care much about the iPhone removing the audio jack one way or another, since I don't have and I'm not planning to buy an iPhone - but the adapter is a nuisance, and the vendor lock-in on lightning phones just sucks.
Yes, I hold a different opinion on Ethernet vs the headphone jack. WiFi is omnipresent. Our ISPs give us modems with integrated WiFi. There's absolutely no pain or downside using it. Unless you're playing FPS-es requiring the lowest possible latencies, or have some kind of intensive data requirement (NAS, server, etc), WiFi works as well as Ethernet. All gain, no pain. It doesn't compare to using your headphones using adapters with tiny DACs, or buying headphones with proprietary connectors and built-in tiny DACs.
Honestly you lost me at projectors. Was Steve chucking projectors out of his office window in Cupertino? I know he was eccentric, but damn.
No, it's built into the phone. You can enable it in the audio settings. Clearly DTS licensed, it's got all the branding on the settings page. I have no idea if it has any hardware component or it's just an algorithm, but I like it.
I personally have a couple of BT headphones and I don't think audio quality is relevant - although I listen to podcasts while cycling. But a lot of people complain about BT audio quality. AptX is there and but not a standard, and whatever Apple is doing is not a standard (nor they intend it to, as far as I can tell). I think we can safely say that wireless audio is not mature, and thus it's premature to force it.
i meant professional audio industry, where audio jack initially came from. (actually it came from telephony, kinda)
anyway, I'm at "lets agree to disagree" with you at this point. I have to say you do have compelling arguments for the headphone jack with which do i not necessarilly agree with, since, despite the fact that done hastily, I won't miss the headphone jack much. But, i really do see your point.
How far HTC has fallen, they're basically just a contract manufacturer for Google now.
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2016-10-05/htc-you-loser
https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2016-10-05/htc-you-loser
Damn, I can remember when HTC was regarded as the best android manufacturer in 2010. The Nexus One, Droid Incredible(still one of my all time favorite phones) and the HTC Evo 4g.
You honestly don't think Apple does the same?
You honestly think Apple would offer a safe haven to terabytes of child abuse and pornography images on their systems, syncing the nasty images across multiple Apple devices, WITHOUT scanning them?
You really think Apple are THE SAFE PLACE for evil people to store giant collections of such images, safe from detection?
If it wasn't for the fact that both sides of my family are so integrated with Apple (iMessage/Find Friends/Apple TV), I'd actually be quite tempted to get one of these.
Most people kicking up a fuss are those who basically wanted Google to produce a phone for cheap like they did for the Nexus line.
I applaud Google for going this route and hopefully this will be the start of good things to come from them.
Most people kicking up a fuss are those who basically wanted Google to produce a phone for cheap like they did for the Nexus line.
I applaud Google for going this route and hopefully this will be the start of good things to come from them.