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Fair enough. That's where I believe 3rd party controllers come in. If they connect to an iPhone, that's an incredible touch-screen display to have imbedded in your controller.

Yeah, it would be like the Wii U controller. It's simple to do.
 
That may be so, but he is right nonetheless. Apple has the entire ecosystem thing covered-- they make it look easy compared to the clunky interfaces Sony and Microsoft have been choking up for their multimedia experiences.

Throw some more horse power (and honestly, how simple would that be?) and solid gaming APIs into an Apple TV, and suddenly Xbox and Playstaion will be struggling to keep their heads above water. Who's going to ignore a $99 box with all kinds of great features, massive and proven ecosystem, a beautiful interface, and a massive list of games from some brilliant developers, vying specifically for big screen, living room-experience games. Not to mention a first-class controller that's already in your pocket.

The iPhone is NOT a first-class controller, the fake buttons thing doesn't work so well when you have to look at your TV. Second of all the reason that it can be $99 is because it doesn't need horsepower, horsepower costs money, the iOS gaming ecosystem is filled with games that are rip offs of the console original and are $1, or $5 because their main goal is to nickel & dime you with in game purchases. It's meant to make the developers money not to provide a compelling TV experience.
 
What, is there anything to invent to make games work on an Apple TV? It's a concept that's been in action since the 70s and hasn't changed much. You attach a controller with buttons to a regular computer and get people who make games.
It all depends on what type of games you talkin 'bout. Angry Birds, Cut the Rope, Fruit Ninja? No. If that's the type of "gaming" you're talking about, and I'm using the term "gaming" generously, hen have it. The type of gaming on Xbox and Playstation are gigs large.
 
The iPhone is NOT a first-class controller, the fake buttons thing doesn't work so well when you have to look at your TV. Second of all the reason that it can be $99 is because it doesn't need horsepower, horsepower costs money, the iOS gaming ecosystem is filled with games that are rip offs of the console original and are $1, or $5 because their main goal is to nickel & dime you with in game purchases. It's meant to make the developers money not to provide a compelling TV experience.

Things I've mostly already said but I'll repeat anyway:

-3rd party devices will connect to the phone, solving that problem and utilizing an incredible touch screen within.

-It doesn't need a massive boost in horsepower. The incredimental chip upgrades will suffice for beautiful and sufficient graphics (see Infinity Blade 2 as a current example).

-Developers are smart. They know the difference between a mobile and living room experience, and will obviously develop games that take advantage of the environment, i.e. more complex, in-depth and gratifying experiences. As if console developers aren't doing it for the money... If anything, indie developers are doing it for the passion. I bet you we'll see some really cool, groundbreaking games.

I think "Hardcore" gamers really freak out over the idea of something like the Apple TV wiping out the current console market. But it will only be a good thing. Great games won't go away, but I think we all know, especially considering the bizarre experiments the console market has been trying, that we're due for a paradigm shift in the way we consume and play games.

They're all trying to tap into this "all in one" device with a full multimedia experience/ecosystem. Nintendo is bringing in an awkward expensive controller with a touch display. Hello! Apple already has this stuff built in! Everyone already has an Apple touch screen at home, in their bags, in their pockets. Apple is set up for an ace in the hole, so it'll be interesting to see how this develops.
 
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You do realize this is not even an analyst rumor? Here's the quote from the WSJ article this article came from


http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887323689204578571992848684764-lMyQjAxMTAzMDIwNzEyNDcyWj.html
"Google Inc. GOOG +0.39% is developing a videogame console and wristwatch powered by its Android operating system, according to people familiar with the matter, as the Internet company seeks to spread the software beyond smartphones and tablets.

With the game machine and digital watch, Google is hoping to combat similar devices that Apple Inc. AAPL -1.08% may release in the future, according to the people."

It's no more true than the iWatch, a TV by Apple or any other device with "people familiar with the matter".

Google's stock is near an all time high, Apple's stock is tanking along with worldwide smartphone market share.

iOS 7 Pastel Edition and a MacPro that is as limited as the Mac Mini for upgrades is what Apple has announced and the stock has continue to drop since the WWDC Conference.

Please consider the facts above before you put the RIP stone on Google's next speculated product.

You should probably give me time to read that article, I commented on this one as soon I finished reading (see first paragraph). But, as a gamer, I don't see how a console measured by a company's current stock, but what they offer, so...??? And finally, I just wanted to state google would probably want to fix their stuff before considering tackling games.
 
It is not unexpected that Google is planning for a gaming solution of its own to compete with a potential Apple offering...

Well actually, and I mean this with no sarcasm at all... why MUST Google copycat what others are doing? Why not carve a bolder path forward and work on something new and useful that's not just another version of someone else's work. And I mean this in reverse... while I don't hate the idea of iTunes Radio, for example, it would have been more awesome (possibly) for Apple to come up with something different and unique. I get that there's enough room for more than one player in lots of niches, but they all (Samsung, Motorola, Google, Sony, Microsoft, Apple) all seem to be chasing each other around in circles, with different companies winning a round here and there.
 
The iPhone is NOT a first-class controller, the fake buttons thing doesn't work so well when you have to look at your TV. Second of all the reason that it can be $99 is because it doesn't need horsepower, horsepower costs money, the iOS gaming ecosystem is filled with games that are rip offs of the console original and are $1, or $5 because their main goal is to nickel & dime you with in game purchases. It's meant to make the developers money not to provide a compelling TV experience.

Apple isn't going to make a game console, they don't have too. A Apple TV with a A7 chip and access to the appstore with thousands of games and apps would decimate Microsoft and Sony. Period.

Infinity Blade shows how good graphics can be on a ios device, imagine that with a A7 or A7X chip. Games that cost .99 to 9.99 and apps like the ones they have already in the App Store for iOS, Vudu,Amazon, and others. Intergrate Siri, and Sony and Microsoft are in trouble.
 
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The iPhone is NOT a first-class controller, the fake buttons thing doesn't work so well when you have to look at your TV. Second of all the reason that it can be $99 is because it doesn't need horsepower, horsepower costs money, the iOS gaming ecosystem is filled with games that are rip offs of the console original and are $1, or $5 because their main goal is to nickel & dime you with in game purchases. It's meant to make the developers money not to provide a compelling TV experience.
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Good post

Maybe for them it is a compelling experience. Some people don't have the attention span for any thing more than Fruit Ninja. LOL.

Can't wait for GTAV!

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Without looking, I can already tell you Rockstar, EA, Bethesda, 2K, Capcom and Namco Bandai already develop games on the AppStore. With a potential increase in popularity, who's to say the others won't easily join?

Yes, for instance Rockstar ported over GTA. Terrible experience on touch screen. There is a reason consoles have controllers with buttons. Tactile feedback. No looking at the controller. More powerful rendering engines. The list goes on.

Apple TV can do time waste gaming on it current console, but nothing on the level of current of future consoles. As another poster mentioned, iOs games are there to get you to spend money, compelling experience be damed.
 
Apple TV can do time waste gaming on it current console, but nothing on the level of current of future consoles. As another poster mentioned, iOs games are there to get you to spend money, compelling experience be damed.

Nothing on the level of future consoles? Apple can't improve the Apple TV hardware over time? As if Apple doesn't have access to the same materials as Microsoft and Sony? Hell, Microsoft and Sony just about created the same game system (hardware wise)!

I also like your personal definition of what is a "time waste" and what isn't :)
 
+100

Good post

Maybe for them it is a compelling experience. Some people don't have the attention span for any thing more than Fruit Ninja. LOL.

Can't wait for GTAV!

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Yes, for instance Rockstar ported over GTA. Terrible experience on touch screen. There is a reason consoles have controllers with buttons. Tactile feedback. No looking at the controller. More powerful rendering engines. The list goes on.

Apple TV can do time waste gaming on it current console, but nothing on the level of current of future consoles. As another poster mentioned, iOs games are there to get you to spend money, compelling experience be damed.

Was that the only excuse you had? You'll be happy to see controllers for iPhones soon. And FYI Chinatown wars, GTA3 and vice city have current ratings of 4 and 4 1/2 stars. Cute response though.
 
It's always funny we never see google or scumsung make the first move in new areas, I'm sure i heard this rumour at least a year ago and I can see zero sign of the Nexus G or any google TVs or any games consoles or watches.

You can guarantee as soon as apple does a new product these jokers will be ripping it off as soon as they can.

I almost wish apple went to elaborate lengths and actually made a console, leak bits and numbers and pictures online to all their usual sources, have a keynote and then not release anything and see what happens.
 
It's always funny we never see google or scumsung make the first move in new areas, I'm sure i heard this rumour at least a year ago and I can see zero sign of the Nexus G or any google TVs or any games consoles or watches.

You can guarantee as soon as apple does a new product these jokers will be ripping it off as soon as they can.

I almost wish apple went to elaborate lengths and actually made a console, leak bits and numbers and pictures online to all their usual sources, have a keynote and then not release anything and see what happens.

Adorable. Did you come up with that all by yourself?
 
It's always funny we never see google or scumsung make the first move in new areas, I'm sure i heard this rumour at least a year ago and I can see zero sign of the Nexus G or any google TVs or any games consoles or watches.

You can guarantee as soon as apple does a new product these jokers will be ripping it off as soon as they can.

I almost wish apple went to elaborate lengths and actually made a console, leak bits and numbers and pictures online to all their usual sources, have a keynote and then not release anything and see what happens.

Well, to be fair Apple hasn't really made the first move either. They didn't invent "thin" or touch screen cellphones. They didn't invent mp3 players or high-DPI screens, and they certainly weren't the first with a TV box.
 
I imagine that although the games won't be like Angry Birds, games that are popular will build solid reputations in the same manner as Plants vs Zombies, Temple Run, and other indie titles that have met great success. I don't see success, distribution, or publicity being a big problem considering the demand for high quality, deeper gaming experiences for the living room.

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Good thing nobody suggested that was the case. At all. They're talking about the Apple TV being utilized as for games. Just as the iPhone became a gaming tool by default once the App Store was released.

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Um, I'm pretty sure Apple invented gaming, so I don't know what you're talking about. :apple:

Apple invented gaming? Thanks for proving my point. Now, put down the kool aid.
 
If Apple and Google both had gaming consoles I would be attracted to the Google console first just because your going to have more features and things to do. I bet in the first week your going to have emulators for all the classic games (that's 100's of games right off the bat) and you will have a wider selection of media players and apps that really take advantage of the hardware.
The iPhone and iPad are already behind a walled garden; do I really want another console that tries to control everything like the xbox or PS? I see younger kids playing with a iOS game console while the older crowd will go to a Google console. I think the Apple console will be Nintendo-ish. And lets not talk about pricing. It would be beautiful but expensive.
 
You have no idea what you are talking about.

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To own the living room, you really need to be on input one. Right now Apple TV is not.

This concept is what made xbox one so compelling, before their DRM position sunk the excitement. A truly transparent experience between TV viewing and game playing. AppleTV really needs to be on the main TV input.
 
So Apple's new strategy is "compete in every segment"? They've lost touch with what made them a special company.
 
The power VR 6 series GPU's Gflops and bandwidth approaches xbox 360 territory. Apple will have all the GPU power they need at a 99 dollar price point. Games that are one tenth the cost with addition to the App Store.

They already have patents for stand alone controllers and controllers with iphone integration.

Why do people mention a Apple game console? Seriously? Just open the App Store to the Apple TV, with a A7 chip, game over.
 
With the watch and game console, Google is hoping to COPY similar devices that Apple Inc. may release in the future, the people said.

There...fixed that for you.
 
The power VR 6 series GPU's Gflops and bandwidth approaches xbox 360 territory. Apple will have all the GPU power they need at a 99 dollar price point. Games that are one tenth the cost with addition to the App Store.

They already have patents for stand alone controllers and controllers with iphone integration.

Why do people mention a Apple game console? Seriously? Just open the App Store to the Apple TV, with a A7 chip, game over.

That is probably what is going to happen. But the TV will have a swappable 'brain/guts'..whether you just plug in your iPhone/etc to it or something you pull out every few years and replace with new guts. THe screen/monitor will last for 5-7 years at least.
 
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