Google Working on Game Console to Compete with Future Apple Gaming Threat

[0029937]

The GameCube and N64 have way better games than the Xbox 360 and PS3 have. Sony and Microsoft produce bland games with nice graphics for the most part, and even the best ones like Halo aren't really timeless. Nintendo had so many hit games of highest quality.

This is such a garbage statement. Just because you prefer one over the other doesn't make the other ****. Here, let me list you some of the masterpieces I've played on PS3:
Heavy Rain, Journey+Flower+Flow, LittleBigPlanet, Portal 1+2, Ratchet & Clank, Ico and Shadow of the Colossus(on my backwards compatible PS3), just started The Last of Us(so far, a masterpiece), Uncharted 1-3, Far Cry 3, PixelJunk Monsters+Shooter,Battlefield: Bad Company 2... I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. What have you been playing this whole time, Call of Duty and Halo and Gears of War?

Sorry, your statement was just idiotic: "Sony... produce bland games". Wow, just wow. The reason console gaming won't die anytime soon is because there's a strong following of people willing to fork out $60+more for DLC and expansions for good quality games. Sure I've played some little gems on iOS, but it's nothing compared to the gigantic worlds and stories the console games bring.

 

[charlituna]

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Haha you think iOS games and ps3 and Xbox games are in the same level? Haha, cute.

Of course they aren't. But looks at the sales in iOS games v the console of your choice. Units and profit

The vast majority is going iOS not Xbox etc. the consoles might make more dollars but that's cause they are higher priced

 

[paul4339]

The problem is that, even among so called "casual gamers", studies have proven that realistic graphics is the #1 criteria among ALL gamers when rating their enjoyment of a game. Witness the meteoric drop-off in interest over the original Wii once the novel controls wore off.

I do not think this is fully correct.

Top selling games are not necessarily the ones with the best graphics despite what studies show. (So even though that people want good graphics may be true, the money doesn't show that this translates to the most sales or profits). Companies will follow the money, and the most profitable games for companies do not necessarily have the best graphics.

So far high volumes and low cost games with in-app purchases is where the money is, and attracting game makers.

A general platform, with cheaper addictive games, that gets used alot, in many many homes will have a more robust ecosystem than a high powered platform with expensive games in fewer homes.

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[filmantopia]

I'm sorry, I did not catch the sarcasm.

It happens. No worries.

 

[iamthedudeman]

That is probably what is going to happen. But the TV will have a swappable 'brain/guts'..whether you just plug in your iPhone/etc to it or something you pull out every few years and replace with new guts. THe screen/monitor will last for 5-7 years at least.

I am not talking about a actual Apple TV set, just the current Apple TV with upgraded specs.

 

[donutbagel]

It all depends on what type of games you talkin 'bout. Angry Birds, Cut the Rope, Fruit Ninja? No. If that's the type of "gaming" you're talking about, and I'm using the term "gaming" generously, hen have it. The type of gaming on Xbox and Playstation are gigs large.

Big deal, they add more storage or an optical drive.

 

[fel10]

Of course they aren't. But looks at the sales in iOS games v the console of your choice. Units and profit

The vast majority is going iOS not Xbox etc. the consoles might make more dollars but that's cause they are higher priced

Sure, Apple has sold millions of devices, but I'd be willing to bet that a VAST majority of them were not sold primarily as a gaming platform, whereas PS3, Xbox360, etc, were all pretty much originally marketed as a gaming console. (I say originally because the X360 is more of a general purpose entertainment console now.)

That being said, direct comparisons of the number of sales between iOS devices and consoles seems irrelevant.

And besides, bigger platforms do not equal bigger revenues. Nor does it guarantee equal quality. Give me an iOS game as fulfilling as Skyrim or The Last of Us and I'll eat my words.

 

[donutbagel]

Sorry, your statement was just idiotic: "Sony... produce bland games". Wow, just wow. The reason console gaming won't die anytime soon is because there's a strong following of people willing to fork out $60+more for DLC and expansions for good quality games. Sure I've played some little gems on iOS, but it's nothing compared to the gigantic worlds and stories the console games bring.

Have you ever played the good GameCube games? No, I don't play Call of Duty except on rare occasions. It's the most generic game I can think of, but it's a decent shooter game.

 

[iHEARTcartoons]

It will be interesting to see how the future plays out on this one. Google has a strange way of playing the game. They aren't really a player in the field, but find ways to tag team with someone else and backdoor their way in to be a player.

 

[Pilgrim1099]

The power VR 6 series GPU's Gflops and bandwidth approaches xbox 360 territory. Apple will have all the GPU power they need at a 99 dollar price point. Games that are one tenth the cost with addition to the App Store.

They already have patents for stand alone controllers and controllers with iphone integration.

Why do people mention a Apple game console? Seriously? Just open the App Store to the Apple TV, with a A7 chip, game over.

Don't make me laugh. A more powerful GPU does NOT make a game system compete at a .99 price point. If you think Apple TV will compete with games such as "The Last of Us", "Halo" (I know for a fact Microsoft recently stated XBox games will never be ported to iOS..so go ahead and cry), "Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim", "DUST 514" (Ps-3 online game from a popular space opera MMORPG), and so on, then you are on CRACK.

You are forgetting one thing. Those games require a large hard drive to install and save on. But, but, but says the Apple fan, it's gonna be on the CLOUD.

Oh, RLY?! I would'nt want a game saved on the cloud due to what's going on with government surveillance. I like it 'off grid'. But if this is what Apple is going to intend to do, their iCloud is still problematic. Even when I try to use it on the iphone, it slows things down.

Do you have any idea how much space those games take up on a hard drive? If you think Apple TV is gonna sell for $99 without a hard drive, it'll never happen. Those types of hardcore games REQUIRE this kind of storage capacity. If you THINK that Apple is going to bring those kinds of games over at a low price point, you sir are on major drugs. You're not gonna pay $1.00 for a game such as "The Last of Us" ( if they ever port it over ). It's gonna sell for more than $10 bucks, most likely $20 or $30, but by then, the fad of that game would have worn out long after its popularity.

SONY has done a good job with the PS4 presentation and I like what they're doing. I even have a PS-3 and love the PSN due to its FREE subscription. This machine even plays my DVDs and Blu Rays.

So if Apple TV is gonna be this ultimate 'media' machine to compete with the other consoles, how the hell are the users are going to store their content? What if the person wants to use it to replace their old DVD/Blu Ray player to play their old collection? How are Apple TV gamers going to play 'used' games?? Or digitally trade them for credit or profit?


Sony and Microsoft are still here. And these machines can do actual motion control with camera sensors that Apple TV does not currently have. Oh, but you say, but but but it's gonna have a sensor built in there for motion control.

Yah? But NOT for $99 bucks, pal. It's gonna be close to $200-$300 if they did that. Apple TV will require a hard drive/Flash storage capacity. And a measly 8 GB of flash RAM (2nd gen model) for streaming purposes is NOT enough. The 3rd gen Apple TV has 512 MB (Yes megabits, not Gigabits) of RAM, to my understanding.

My PS-3 has a 160 GB internal hard drive. That is huge compared to the 128GB of space on a recent iPad model.

Is that sinking in your head now?

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Big deal, they add more storage or an optical drive.

Yeah, and your Apple TV will not be $99 bucks if they go that route.

 

[paul4339]

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And besides, bigger platforms do not equal bigger revenues. Nor does it guarantee equal quality. Give me an iOS game as fulfilling as Skyrim or The Last of Us and I'll eat my words.

I would agree with you from the perspective of the hard-core gamers. But Sony, Nintendo, MS are painfully realizing that this is not the right path. It's better to have a general platform (games, movies, and other services) to a general (mass) audience. Apple/Google are attempting to creating inexpensive platform to get into many homes (and then probably nickel/dime them with services)

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[4TheLoveOfTech]

You should probably give me time to read that article, I commented on this one as soon I finished reading (see first paragraph). But, as a gamer, I don't see how a console measured by a company's current stock, but what they offer, so...??? And finally, I just wanted to state google would probably want to fix their stuff before considering tackling games.

With stock price and market share comes developers. Google has the market share and Apple has become the niche market that is depending on iOS growth.
It's happening currently but at a glacial pace in comparison to Android.

Apple doesn't have anything to offer other than speculation in the "real" gaming arena.

Care to elaborate on what Google needs to "fix their stuff"? The fragmentation rant is getting old when Apple just strips features off older iOS devices when a new iOS device ships. It's the same game just "Think Different" and accept it.

Apple should consider scrapping the Jony Ive pastel version of iOS 7.

Give the MacPro users a computer that give some expansion options other than external.

Fix Maps for the world and not a few Markets.

Learn how to put out a WiFi device that doesn't need a "fix" on every product ever introduced.

Learn that December 31st happens every year and get a clock that actually remembers that.

Fix iMessage and iCloud if they can't make a dependable option with WiFi.

Give users the option of a screen that may take advantage of their rumored new gaming arena.

Introduce something to the market that gives users a reason to stay in the walled wilted garden it's created.

But the biggest thing they "need" to do to keep market share is to continue to let Google Apps on iOS. Google has done more for iOS in the last year than Apple has done since the introduction of iOS.

iOS and the iPhone changed the mobile market it just didn't do anything to keep up once they did.

Ask yourself, as Apple has done in their latest brilliant marketing campaign that nobody but an Apple Fan is going to take the time to read.

Does this deserve to exist?

Written by a fan of tech in California. Just don't get what that means to the other US states and the rest of the world but that in itself is another post I'm considering authoring in California.

 

[Swift]

Fake out

I wonder sometimes who stokes the rumors about Mac or Google or Sunbeam Toasters. Apple spreads phony rumor of "smart watch" just to make Google spend useless dough making something stupid? I mean, wasn't the Q thing that ball that did nothing and was quickly withdrawn from the market? Coming after the Google TV set the world on fire?

Google is sometimes just the gorilla in the china shop. The concept is stronger than the bite.

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Anybody who plays computer games with any large amount of their time dooms themselves to stupidity. Or pointlessness. Oh, I can shoot more robot soldiers than any other pretend soldier in the world!! Great, how old are you? Fourteen, good stuff. 25? Get off your ass and get busy at something, loser.

 

[nia820]

Finally, Apple and Google are getting into this. I'm sick of these jokers Microsoft and Sony, and Nintendo has lost most of its mojo.

Games for ios and android are watered down versions of the games made for dedicated systems. Even if google and apple make dedicated gaming consoles. The games will still be geared towards casuals.

I cringe at the thought of apple and Google becoming gaming kings.

 

[donutbagel]

Games for ios and android are watered down versions of the games made for dedicated systems. Even if google and apple make dedicated gaming consoles. The games will still be geared towards casuals.

I cringe at the thought of apple and Google becoming gaming kings.

Of course they're watered down; they're on mobile devices. It's not even Apple's decision what games are made for iOS. The gamemakers (some of which also make games for full consoles) made them "lite" like that.

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Yeah, and your Apple TV will not be $99 bucks if they go that route.

It doesn't need to be $99, but depending on when it comes out and how much technology has improved by then, it could be. It's sad that any gamemaker even needs that kind of advanced hardware to make a game; it shows sloppy programming and uncreative thinking.

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You should probably give me time to read that article, I commented on this one as soon I finished reading (see first paragraph). But, as a gamer, I don't see how a console measured by a company's current stock, but what they offer, so...??? And finally, I just wanted to state google would probably want to fix their stuff before considering tackling games.

The guy you're replying to is a well-known troll around here. I wouldn't take him seriously.

 

[aarone88]

Watered down for now

Games for ios and android are watered down versions of the games made for dedicated systems. Even if google and apple make dedicated gaming consoles. The games will still be geared towards casuals.

I cringe at the thought of apple and Google becoming gaming kings.

They are watered down for now because mobile devices do not have graphic and CPU capability for the games, but like they have been saying upgrade the Apple TV and make an actual TV set and use actual controllers or ios devices to control the games. I do not understand why you cringe apple and google in the gaming market

 

[M87]

This could be amazing. Especially since there's little to get excited about in the coming console gen, perfect timing for a shake up IMO.

 

[charlituna]

Sure, Apple has sold millions of devices, but I'd be willing to bet that a VAST majority of them were not sold primarily as a gaming platform

And? Who cares why it was bought if folks are happy with what they have

. Give me an iOS game as fulfilling as Skyrim or The Last of Us and I'll eat my words.

We likely wouldn't be able to give YOU want but yours is not the only opinion out there.

 

[Pakaku]

Meh. I'm expecting this to be nothing but a variant on the Ouya, with an emphasis on farming your personal information. But I hope I'm wrong. In both aspects. (Wishful thinking, yes.)

 

[cclloyd]

As would I. Mobile games have a completely different purpose than traditional games. They are best utilized as "time wasters".

I don't know about you, but I would play a game such as Halo if it were on an iDevice and still a high-quality game. I would love for a portable game of extensive length, but not the PSP cause it sucks from what I've used, and Nintendo because... just no.

 

[SeattleMoose]

Ah yes, Google doing what they do best..."innovating".

 

[thekev]

That may be so, but he is right nonetheless. Apple has the entire ecosystem thing covered-- they make it look easy compared to the clunky interfaces Sony and Microsoft have been choking up for their multimedia experiences.

Throw some more horse power (and honestly, how simple would that be?) and solid gaming APIs into an Apple TV, and suddenly Xbox and Playstaion will be struggling to keep their heads above water. Who's going to ignore a $99 box with all kinds of great features, massive and proven ecosystem, a beautiful interface, and a massive list of games from some brilliant developers, vying specifically for big screen, living room-experience games. Not to mention a first-class controller that's already in your pocket.

Plenty of people would ignore it. Your phone is always with you. I do think it might give Sony and MS problems, but I don't think they would sell many specifically for gaming outside of weird Apple fans. If people owned an Apple TV anyway, they would be likely to try such features simply because they exist. It's just not the same when it comes to going out and buying dedicated hardware specifically to play games. That attracts a different user.

 

[patohi]

Why is this so hard for people to get

$150 next gen Apple TV

controller not included

A6 or A7 chip(sets the graphics bar at that level don't worry about supporting older devices)

1gb memory and 16 or 32 flash

apple doesn't want to eat into mac sales..
so it just excepts games and limits apps..
stays an entertainment device

indie game developers flock to it...
Why?
Same iOS app store rules and monetary policy

googles could be an android computer
thats good! i think chromebooks suck! and bad because prob will still side load games and developers won't make money!

iPhone and iPad graphics can look simple because the screen is the control interface and if it gets too busy then things can be confusing...
It would be fun to see all the games that would be released since so many games(middleware and game engines) are written for iOS

 

[SvenSvenson]

play iOS or Android games on their big screen TVs when traditional console games provide a much more compelling experience? Mobile games are popular precisely because they ARE mobile games.

But if/when Apple flip the switch to allow the AppleTV to install Apps & iOS 7 with controller support is launched, they'l be a new category of iOS game - Made for AppleTV. These won't BE mobile games. They might not be as powerful as some full-blown console games, but looking at Xcom, Baldur's Gate & Real Racing, they'll be pretty close and a lot cheaper. A lot will be iPad compatible too and you instantly have an impressive home gaming ecosystem.

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...Oh, RLY?! I would'nt want a game saved on the cloud due to what's going on with government surveillance. I like it 'off grid'. ...

If you don't understand the risks of "government surveillance" by having your game code stored "on the cloud", then the rest of your arguments lack credibility.

Steve

 

[iZac]

Just unlock the Apple TV for devs and release a decent 1st or even 3rd party game pad and just watch the community do the rest ...