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This is awesome for Google users and should spur competition in photo storage from similar services but I am sticking to Apple holding my personal pictures. I trust them more.

Why? I am not a huge Google fan when it comes to Android, but this is the kind of thing that is right up there ally.
 
There are no ads on Google photos!

Yes, and there most likely won't ever be. The point is that they gain a ton of information about you, where you go, what you do, people you hang out with and from that they can sell super-targeted ads on other products, like gmail or search.

That said, I'm still using it as it is pretty much the best thing out there.
 
I'm not so sure. I just skimmed the terms and conditions for this app as posted in the App Store and it looks like they do indeed have the right to use, reproduce, and even modify your content uploaded to their services.

Yes, like Apple or Microsoft. If not, how do you think you can edit the pictures or translate documents?

Not just google either, their "partners" have this access as well.

Link to that part?

While they can't claim "ownership" they can still do pretty much whatever they want with your data including your pictures. I'm gonna look up apples terms because I suspect they are exactly the same.

No, they can't

Edit: yep, apple has the same language in the iCloud terms of service. They explicitly state that they do not "own" your content but then say that if you go to share it with anyone else that gives them a worldwide license to do just about anything with it.

Yap, every online provider have more less the same terms.

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The auto-upload, at least on the Flickr iOS app, loads everything as private.

Yes, it is the default
 
You can't add pics in albums? I can do so on my iPhone and iPad..what are you trying to do??

On my computer I have folders of photos: Family, Trip to Paris, Trip to Venezuela, Mardi Gras 2012, etc. I can't upload the folders to iCloud, but I can upload all the photos. If I sync the folders from my Mac to my iPad, I have all the albums (folders) as they're supposed to be, but that's the only way to do it, unless I want to create duplicates on my iPhone or iPad to make the same folders I already have. Kapisch?
 
On my computer I have folders of photos: Family, Trip to Paris, Trip to Venezuela, Mardi Gras 2012, etc. I can't upload the folders to iCloud, but I can upload all the photos. If I sync the folders from my Mac to my iPad, I have all the albums (folders) as they're supposed to be, but that's the only way to do it, unless I want to create duplicates on my iPhone or iPad to make the same folders I already have. Kapisch?

That's not the way iCloud Photo Library works. If you create folders or albums on one device they'll sync across all devices. There won't be any duplicates. And you don't have to upload anything manually, you just turn it on and it syncs automatically.
 
Photo sort

Those of you who have played around with the Google Photo App can you tell me the following:
1. I use an older version of iPhoto (v. 7.1.5) where I sort my photos with pre-defined Keywords (i,.e: School, Vacation, Family, etc.) by clicking Command-K and selecting the buttons I have made for each photo. When I want to find a picture, from say School, I type "School"in the Search Box. Is this sorting option, or something like it, available on the new Google Photos App?
 
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I'm not so sure. I just skimmed the terms and conditions for this app as posted in the App Store and it looks like they do indeed have the right to use, reproduce, and even modify your content uploaded to their services. Not just google either, their "partners" have this access as well. While they can't claim "ownership" they can still do pretty much whatever they want with your data including your pictures. I'm gonna look up apples terms because I suspect they are exactly the same.

Edit: yep, apple has the same language in the iCloud terms of service. They explicitly state that they do not "own" your content but then say that if you go to share it with anyone else that gives them a worldwide license to do just about anything with it.

Actually the language is different between the two. Apple, specifically brings up rights under content that is made public or shared with others:

"License from You. Except for material we may license to you, Apple does not claim ownership of the materials and/or Content you submit or make available on the Service. However, by submitting or posting such Content on areas of the Service that are accessible by the public or other users with whom you consent to share such Content, you grant Apple a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Service solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available, without any compensation or obligation to you."
As the wording states here: "solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available..."

Thus they can't/won't use it for any other purpose.

But, Googles terms are slightly different and seem to stretch beyond Photos that are made public or shared. Also can go beyond the purpose for which the content was made avail:

"Some of our Services allow you to upload, submit, store, send or receive content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours.

When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing you have added to Google Maps). Some Services may offer you ways to access and remove content that has been provided to that Service. Also, in some of our Services, there are terms or settings that narrow the scope of our use of the content submitted in those Services. Make sure you have the necessary rights to grant us this license for any content that you submit to our Services."
 
Not sure of this has been stated here.

This looked promising, as the highest resolution photos i take are 16mp. So i tested by uploading a jpeg, it was 6mb when uploaded, i then downloaded it and resulting photo was only 1.5mb. So there's a considerable amount of compression going on. Too bad cause i really like the app and the website, but this kinda kills it. I thought it would leave photos that were 16mp or less alone, but i guess not.
 
Not sure of this has been stated here.

This looked promising, as the highest resolution photos i take are 16mp. So i tested by uploading a jpeg, it was 6mb when uploaded, i then downloaded it and resulting photo was only 1.5mb. So there's a considerable amount of compression going on. Too bad cause i really like the app and the website, but this kinda kills it. I thought it would leave photos that were 16mp or less alone, but i guess not.

Yeah, I was really excited about it. Uploaded some photos an was instantly turned off by the compression. Not only are the pictures, I tested, noisier but they also appear to run some "enhance" function which modified the colours for the worse.
 
I guess I, like any photographer who uses a Canon 5D camera is not a "normal person" according to you?
Normal as in not a pro photographer. So if it makes you feel better, yes, you can carry the label, "normal." It's astonishing how easily people are amotionally effected here. Take a deep breath, it's not all about you personally.
 
Philip Elmer-Dewitt nails Apple over its Photos app and cloud services in general. Ouch.

http://fortune.com/2015/05/29/apple-google-photos-backup/?xid=yahoo_fortune

Apple is seriously getting their butt kicked in this space. Google, Microsoft and Amazon are so far a head it's not even funny. Cook needs to do something. Perhaps Eddy Cue isn't the right guy to be running Apple's cloud business. Perhaps they need to poach someone with more experience in this space. Give them Siri and Maps too. It's not like Cue doesn't have other things to focus on. TV is falling behind the competition, Apple still doesn't have a streaming music service on the market and iTunes Radio is mediocre at best. App discovery/search needs to be greatly improved. Outside of Pay is there anything under his direction that could be considered best in class? Anything?
 
Philip Elmer-Dewitt nails Apple over its Photos app and cloud services in general. Ouch.

http://fortune.com/2015/05/29/apple-google-photos-backup/?xid=yahoo_fortune

Apple is seriously getting their butt kicked in this space. Google, Microsoft and Amazon are so far a head it's not even funny. Cook needs to do something. Perhaps Eddy Cue isn't the right guy to be running Apple's cloud business. Perhaps they need to poach someone with more experience in this space. Give them Siri and Maps too. It's not like Cue doesn't have other things to focus on. TV is falling behind the competition, Apple still doesn't have a streaming music service on the market and iTunes Radio is mediocre at best. App discovery/search needs to be greatly improved. Outside of Pay is there anything under his direction that could be considered best in class? Anything?

Yup I just read this article too. My sentiments exactly from his post. Google just put out what Apple should have initially done a year ago.
 
That's not the way iCloud Photo Library works. If you create folders or albums on one device they'll sync across all devices. There won't be any duplicates. And you don't have to upload anything manually, you just turn it on and it syncs automatically.

So let's say you have a folder called Geneology on your computer. It contains 45 photos that you've scanned and edited. They have never been on your iPhone or iPad. How do you get this as a folder onto your iPad?
 
Philip Elmer-Dewitt nails Apple over its Photos app and cloud services in general. Ouch.

http://fortune.com/2015/05/29/apple-google-photos-backup/?xid=yahoo_fortune

Apple is seriously getting their butt kicked in this space. Google, Microsoft and Amazon are so far a head it's not even funny. Cook needs to do something. Perhaps Eddy Cue isn't the right guy to be running Apple's cloud business. Perhaps they need to poach someone with more experience in this space. Give them Siri and Maps too. It's not like Cue doesn't have other things to focus on. TV is falling behind the competition, Apple still doesn't have a streaming music service on the market and iTunes Radio is mediocre at best. App discovery/search needs to be greatly improved. Outside of Pay is there anything under his direction that could be considered best in class? Anything?

I don't know what's worse: the fact that Apple iCloud Photo Library is not working, or the fact that nobody cares. It does not work, I experienced it myself. But you don't find a lot about it on the net. No endless threads of customers complaining, no solutions, no workarounds, no tips and tricks. It's like nobody uses it or nobody cares.

Probably because the world has moved on. We know Apple sucks at services and we're not trying anymore. But... I really want it to work. I looked forward to iCloud Photo Library!

That being said, I'm not trying Google Photos because of the compression issue. Maybe it's time to try Flickr.
 
Shouldn't we set it to unlimited since the iPhone camera is less than 16mp? I would think that should be the default setting, correct?

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Yeah, I was really excited about it. Uploaded some photos an was instantly turned off by the compression. Not only are the pictures, I tested, noisier but they also appear to run some "enhance" function which modified the colours for the worse.

Did it reduce the file size once you downloaded when the setting was set to original?
 
With Google Photos I'm trying to create albums and then add pictures to the folders in my iPhone 6, but it doesn't work for me. It only shows "0 pictures added" and it's only keeping the first cover picture. Anyone else has the same issue?
 
I don't know what's worse: the fact that Apple iCloud Photo Library is not working, or the fact that nobody cares. It does not work, I experienced it myself. But you don't find a lot about it on the net. No endless threads of customers complaining, no solutions, no workarounds, no tips and tricks. It's like nobody uses it or nobody cares.

Probably because the world has moved on. We know Apple sucks at services and we're not trying anymore. But... I really want it to work. I looked forward to iCloud Photo Library!

That being said, I'm not trying Google Photos because of the compression issue. Maybe it's time to try Flickr.

Maybe Eddy is in over his head and Cook needs to bring someone in that really understands the Cloud. Honestly this is the kind of stuff that should just work and Apple should use it as a loss leader to sell more hardware. Suffice to say I don't see Eddy getting a Chief anything title anytime soon. :)
 
One caveat I haven't seen mentioned elsewhere: if you decide to leave Google Photos and want to delete all your photos from the service (especially if you're uploading originals and paying for the space) you have to select all the photos manually. From my tests, good luck selecting more than a screenful at once.
 
By spam you mean include some ads to the right of your Google search results that you can choose to ignore?

Not only that, all the spam emails that you get from third party. Where do you think they get that information from?

By selling user information, these services generate huge profit.
 
Not only that, all the spam emails that you get from third party. Where do you think they get that information from?

By selling user information, these services generate huge profit.

Are you seriously saying that spam mail is because Google sells information to third parties?
 
Not only that, all the spam emails that you get from third party. Where do you think they get that information from?

By selling user information, these services generate huge profit.

Services like Google sell that information to spammers? Some actual supporting evidence of that?
 
Rubbish. Total and utter rubbish. Where is Google making money off your photos? Point out to me somewhere I can read that says they scan through all my photos and then sell this data. Nowhere. There are no ads in Google photos. None. zero. if there are no ads how and what can they sell others about my photos?


I haven't read thru Google's terms of service but, isn't that their business model? You think they're going to allow us to upload gig's of pictures for free? Out of the goodness of Google's heart they will allow a billion people to load billions of pictures to their servers for free??????? they read thru our emails on gmail and use that data for marketing purposes. why would they not do the same here???

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I don't know what's worse: the fact that Apple iCloud Photo Library is not working, or the fact that nobody cares. It does not work, I experienced it myself. But you don't find a lot about it on the net. No endless threads of customers complaining, no solutions, no workarounds, no tips and tricks. It's like nobody uses it or nobody cares.

Probably because the world has moved on. We know Apple sucks at services and we're not trying anymore. But... I really want it to work. I looked forward to iCloud Photo Library!

That being said, I'm not trying Google Photos because of the compression issue. Maybe it's time to try Flickr.

in what way's does it not work? mine is working great - i uploaded 25,000 pictures - there are a couple of speed improvements they need to make but other than that i've had 0 issues. I love the service!!!!!

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Philip Elmer-Dewitt nails Apple over its Photos app and cloud services in general. Ouch.

http://fortune.com/2015/05/29/apple-google-photos-backup/?xid=yahoo_fortune

Apple is seriously getting their butt kicked in this space. Google, Microsoft and Amazon are so far a head it's not even funny. Cook needs to do something. Perhaps Eddy Cue isn't the right guy to be running Apple's cloud business. Perhaps they need to poach someone with more experience in this space. Give them Siri and Maps too. It's not like Cue doesn't have other things to focus on. TV is falling behind the competition, Apple still doesn't have a streaming music service on the market and iTunes Radio is mediocre at best. App discovery/search needs to be greatly improved. Outside of Pay is there anything under his direction that could be considered best in class? Anything?

I haven't had any issues with my photos on apple's servers. I uploaded 25,000 pictures - took a couple of days and they're all still there, my imac didn't overheat and I have access to all of my pictures everywhere - as Apple advertised. This guy didn't tell us what went wrong - nor did he say he uploaded all of his 30,000 pictures to Google and if he used the same set up. If a writer from fortune magazine wants to write an article full of superlatives at the very least back it up with specifics - another blogger strikes again - what happened to serious journalism?
 
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