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I haven't read thru Google's terms of service but, isn't that their business model? You think they're going to allow us to upload gig's of pictures for free? Out of the goodness of Google's heart they will allow a billion people to load billions of pictures to their servers for free??????? they read thru our emails on gmail and use that data for marketing purposes. why would they not do the same here???

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in what way's does it not work? mine is working great - i uploaded 25,000 pictures - there are a couple of speed improvements they need to make but other than that i've had 0 issues. I love the service!!!!!

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I haven't had any issues with my photos on apple's servers. I uploaded 25,000 pictures - took a couple of days and they're all still there, my imac didn't overheat and I have access to all of my pictures everywhere - as Apple advertised. This guy didn't tell us what went wrong - nor did he say he uploaded all of his 30,000 pictures to Google and if he used the same set up. If a writer from fortune magazine wants to write an article full of superlatives at the very least back it up with specifics - another blogger strikes again - what happened to serious journalism?
Using various pieces of information for marketing purposes isn't the same thing as selling personal information. If they are making money off of showing you ads that might be more targeted that in itself doesn't constitute some sort of an automatic privacy issue or your personal data being dispersed or something else heinous.
 
Using various pieces of information for marketing purposes isn't the same thing as selling personal information. If they are making money off of showing you ads that might be more targeted that in itself doesn't constitute some sort of an automatic privacy issue or your personal data being dispersed or something else heinous.

What specifically do they give advertisers? I don't know the answer to that question so I don't feel comfortable giving Google my pictures or my email. - I prefer to give apple a cup of coffee once a month and know that they are not giving any information to anyone.
 
What specifically do they give advertisers? I don't know the answer to that question so I don't feel comfortable giving Google my pictures or my email. - I prefer to give apple a cup of coffee once a month and know that they are not giving any information to anyone.
Space for their ads and a way to target various demographics?
 
Google Photos lets you choose. If you want free then there is a 16mb limit. If you want to keep the original size then change in settings and upload. The space used comes out of your google drive total which you can purchase more if needed. I've been using this for the last 2 years to save big raw files and it works just fine.

For the regular Joe Sixpack, the 16mb unlimited option is perfect. The few of us that want untouched, uncompressed will choose that options and pay the difference if required.

Yes, I was referring to free/unlimited mode only, it's a deal breaker the re-compression of the photos even if they are less than 16mp
 
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What specifically do they give advertisers? I don't know the answer to that question so I don't feel comfortable giving Google my pictures or my email. - I prefer to give apple a cup of coffee once a month and know that they are not giving any information to anyone.

Google doesn't give advertisers anything. No data goes from google to advertisers.

What google does is use the data and analytics to see demographics and determine what types of ads are best for what demographics. yes, google knows YOU like X type of products based on your search.

What Google then determins is that there is room for X amount of adds to you. and those adds should have a make up of a bunch of products.

What goog does to the advertiser, is tell them "we have X amount of users who have X amount of interest in your product category. for X amount of money, we will ensure your add gets X amount of views"

thats it.

there's no conspiracy to sell data to other companies. Google isn't giving away your personal information to any 3rd party ad companies.
 
I do, because I'm one of those evil advertisers!

As I've outlined in other posts all we get is we select a geo (U.S.,UK etc), select a sector and then we can choose keywords. If I'm selling soccer boots then I get the number of searches run for soccer boots in that geo. I then have to put in a bid price to get my ad displayed whenever someone else searches for soccer boots. If my price is too low then my add gets bumped down page.

That's it. No personal data, no ip address , no photos, no emails. We just get to see the keywords and how often they are used.

What specifically do they give advertisers? I don't know the answer to that question so I don't feel comfortable giving Google my pictures or my email. - I prefer to give apple a cup of coffee once a month and know that they are not giving any information to anyone.
 
Apple at least used to check email titles. Remember the brouhaha a couple of years ago when Apple's servers starting automatically deleting emails with the words "barely legal teen" in the title?



At least Google gives back something in return for our info.

Apple uses our info for selling iAds, plus gets paid by banks to continue to allow our full purchase info to get through to them (unlike Google Wallet, which acted as a proxy), and what services do they give us free in return?


Well... a nice 5GB on iCloud! ;)
 
Yes, I was referring to free/unlimited mode only, it's a deal breaker the re-compression of the photos even if they are less than 16mp

Here, tell me if you can tell the difference
http://m.imgur.com/a/x4U2R

Wild claims of "it's a deal breaker" without any effort to research if it's even true. Don't use the service, not like it's anyone's loss but yours :rolleyes:
 
Google's "free" Photo Service

This is awesome for Google users and should spur competition in photo storage from similar services but I am sticking to Apple holding my personal pictures. I trust them more.

Be sure to check out Google's license agreement for their "free" Google Photos service!

bit.ly/1Azhbhq

When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones.
 
Here, tell me if you can tell the difference
http://m.imgur.com/a/x4U2R

Wild claims of "it's a deal breaker" without any effort to research if it's even true. Don't use the service, not like it's anyone's loss but yours :rolleyes:

I did research of course.

I am speaking for myself, if for you is not a deal breaker, then it's fine, I don't give a Sh.t lol. I was posting that to inform everyone that the images have recompression in all cases of the free/unlimited mode because google don't say it explicitly and I think it's the right for everyone to know the information then choose if they use it or not.

Again, speaking for myself, I don't care if I see a difference or not, because it's not my original pic, period.
 
Services like Google sell that information to spammers? Some actual supporting evidence of that?

Just some of the terms you should know:

From Google's User Agreement:

We and our partners use various technologies to collect and store information when you visit a Google service, and this may include sending one or more cookies or anonymous identifiers to your device. We also use cookies and anonymous identifiers when you interact with services we offer to our partners, such as advertising services or Google features that may appear on other sites....

We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google when we have your consent to do so. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information...

Google’s privacy policies explain how we treat your personal data and protect your privacy when you use our Services. By using our Services, you agree that Google can use such data in accordance with our privacy policies....

FROM GOOGLE TERMS OF SERVICES AGREEMENT:

Your Content in our Services

Some of our Services allow you to upload, submit, store, send or receive content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours.

When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing you have added to Google Maps). Some Services may offer you ways to access and remove content that has been provided to that Service. Also, in some of our Services, there are terms or settings that narrow the scope of our use of the content submitted in those Services. Make sure you have the necessary rights to grant us this license for any content that you submit to our Services.

Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) to provide you personally relevant product features, such as customized search results, tailored advertising, and spam and malware detection. This analysis occurs as the content is sent, received, and when it is stored.

If you have a Google Account, we may display your Profile name, Profile photo, and actions you take on Google or on third-party applications connected to your Google Account (such as +1’s, reviews you write and comments you post) in our Services, including displaying in ads and other commercial contexts. We will respect the choices you make to limit sharing or visibility settings in your Google Account. For example, you can choose your settings so your name and photo do not appear in an ad.

You can find more information about how Google uses and stores content in the privacy policy or additional terms for particular Services. If you submit feedback or suggestions about our Services, we may use your feedback or suggestions without obligation to you.
 
I did research of course.

I am speaking for myself, if for you is not a deal breaker, then it's fine, I don't give a Sh.t lol. I was posting that to inform everyone that the images have recompression in all cases of the free/unlimited mode because google don't say it explicitly and I think it's the right for everyone to know the information then choose if they use it or not.

Again, speaking for myself, I don't care if I see a difference or not, because it's not my original pic, period.

Try to recover an underexposed night shot from a compressed jpg and compare with how it could have been improved if you had the original RAW file.

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Same as Apple , MS and Facebook.

Nope, Apple's business model isn't structured around selling its users' private information.

Facebook is even worse than Google, and unlike Google they don't provide much value in exchange for your privacy. For Microsoft, trading in their customers' private information is not a primary source of revenue, but regardless they've never cared much about anyone besides their enterprise customers.

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Just some of the terms you should know:

From Google's User Agreement:

We and our partners use various technologies to collect and store information when you visit a Google service, and this may include sending one or more cookies or anonymous identifiers to your device. We also use cookies and anonymous identifiers when you interact with services we offer to our partners, such as advertising services or Google features that may appear on other sites....

We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google when we have your consent to do so. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information...

Google’s privacy policies explain how we treat your personal data and protect your privacy when you use our Services. By using our Services, you agree that Google can use such data in accordance with our privacy policies....

FROM GOOGLE TERMS OF SERVICES AGREEMENT:

Your Content in our Services

Some of our Services allow you to upload, submit, store, send or receive content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours.

When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing you have added to Google Maps). Some Services may offer you ways to access and remove content that has been provided to that Service. Also, in some of our Services, there are terms or settings that narrow the scope of our use of the content submitted in those Services. Make sure you have the necessary rights to grant us this license for any content that you submit to our Services.

Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) to provide you personally relevant product features, such as customized search results, tailored advertising, and spam and malware detection. This analysis occurs as the content is sent, received, and when it is stored.

If you have a Google Account, we may display your Profile name, Profile photo, and actions you take on Google or on third-party applications connected to your Google Account (such as +1’s, reviews you write and comments you post) in our Services, including displaying in ads and other commercial contexts. We will respect the choices you make to limit sharing or visibility settings in your Google Account. For example, you can choose your settings so your name and photo do not appear in an ad.

You can find more information about how Google uses and stores content in the privacy policy or additional terms for particular Services. If you submit feedback or suggestions about our Services, we may use your feedback or suggestions without obligation to you.


Additionally, Google lead the way in forcing users to use their real identities when using any online services, which is one of the biggest blows to online freedom, privacy, and anonymity. Despite this policy, the comments section on YouTube is still a cesspool.
 
Are you aware that nothing of that text support Google giving or selling information to third parties?

Every one of the following quotes supports the fact that Google gives or sells your information to third parties:

"We and our partners use various technologies to collect and store information when you visit a Google service"

"We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google"

"When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use... reproduce... create derivative works... publish... publicly display and distribute such content."

"Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) to provide you personally relevant product features, such as... tailored advertising... This analysis occurs as the content is sent, received, and when it is stored."

"If you have a Google Account, we may display your Profile name, Profile photo, and actions you take on Google or on third-party applications connected to your Google Account... including displaying in ads and other commercial contexts."

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Is there a way of hooking up Photos on OS X as the interface for this?

Love native apps, but also would love unlimited photo storage. Can't tell which of these loves will win, but if theres a way of pointing Photos towards Google, that'd be great. :)

You can't have both. You should go with Google if you like their inferior user interfaces, don't care about the privacy of your photos, don't mind your personal info being sold to advertisers, and if you're OK with losing the original uncompressed image files and the ability to undo any edits you make to your photos.
 
You think Apple's safer on that front?

YES. Unlike Google, Apple has been driving towards encrypting more and more of their users' data so that even they are incapable of providing access to government or law enforcement.

Apple is acting as a champion for their users' privacy.

Meanwhile, Google's CEO makes statements like "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." And Facebook's Zuckerberg glibly declares that privacy is dead and states that if he were creating Facebook from scratch he would make everything public by default.

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considering the iPhone only got 8 MP i am fairly certain people don't care.

Apple retains all of your original images in the cloud while only downscaling thumbnails to minimize the space they require on each of your devices. The user always has access to the original.

Try reading up a bit before making such blanket, uninformed statements.
 
Jennifer Lawrence's photos were accessed via weak passwords and social engineering. Apple's servers were never breached.

iCloud servers were never breached, but they allowed the hackers unlimited tries to access users accounts.
 
Just some of the terms you should know:

From Google's User Agreement:

We and our partners use various technologies to collect and store information when you visit a Google service, and this may include sending one or more cookies or anonymous identifiers to your device. We also use cookies and anonymous identifiers when you interact with services we offer to our partners, such as advertising services or Google features that may appear on other sites....

We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google when we have your consent to do so. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information...

Google’s privacy policies explain how we treat your personal data and protect your privacy when you use our Services. By using our Services, you agree that Google can use such data in accordance with our privacy policies....

FROM GOOGLE TERMS OF SERVICES AGREEMENT:

Your Content in our Services

Some of our Services allow you to upload, submit, store, send or receive content. You retain ownership of any intellectual property rights that you hold in that content. In short, what belongs to you stays yours.

When you upload, submit, store, send or receive content to or through our Services, you give Google (and those we work with) a worldwide license to use, host, store, reproduce, modify, create derivative works (such as those resulting from translations, adaptations or other changes we make so that your content works better with our Services), communicate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such content. The rights you grant in this license are for the limited purpose of operating, promoting, and improving our Services, and to develop new ones. This license continues even if you stop using our Services (for example, for a business listing you have added to Google Maps). Some Services may offer you ways to access and remove content that has been provided to that Service. Also, in some of our Services, there are terms or settings that narrow the scope of our use of the content submitted in those Services. Make sure you have the necessary rights to grant us this license for any content that you submit to our Services.

Our automated systems analyze your content (including emails) to provide you personally relevant product features, such as customized search results, tailored advertising, and spam and malware detection. This analysis occurs as the content is sent, received, and when it is stored.

If you have a Google Account, we may display your Profile name, Profile photo, and actions you take on Google or on third-party applications connected to your Google Account (such as +1’s, reviews you write and comments you post) in our Services, including displaying in ads and other commercial contexts. We will respect the choices you make to limit sharing or visibility settings in your Google Account. For example, you can choose your settings so your name and photo do not appear in an ad.

You can find more information about how Google uses and stores content in the privacy policy or additional terms for particular Services. If you submit feedback or suggestions about our Services, we may use your feedback or suggestions without obligation to you.
All those terms and nothing that talks about selling personal data to any third parties (and that part that talks about sharing data specifically mentions that it's only with opt-in consent). And certainly nothing about selling your email to spammers. So, back to where we started.
 
iCloud servers were never breached, but they allowed the hackers unlimited tries to access users accounts.

That was indeed a security weakness in the password reset screen - one which Apple has since addressed - but it was not the attack vector that was used.

Some celebrities’ iCloud accounts were compromised when hackers correctly answered security questions to obtain their passwords, or when they were victimized by a phishing scam to obtain user IDs and passwords. Tim Cook stated that none of the Apple IDs and passwords leaked from the company’s servers.

In the end, no system is 100% secure. But it's important to remember that security policies aside, Apple has been fighting to increase their users' privacy while Google, Facebook, and others have been working to accomplish the opposite.
 
Well that made me laugh. Take the blinkers off - you'll be taken a lot more seriously when you do.

YES. Unlike Google, Apple has been driving towards encrypting more and more of their users' data so that even they are incapable of providing access to government or law enforcement.

Apple is acting as a champion for their users' privacy.

Meanwhile, Google's CEO makes statements like "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." And Facebook's Zuckerberg glibly declares that privacy is dead and states that if he were creating Facebook from scratch he would make everything public by default.

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Apple retains all of your original images in the cloud while only downscaling thumbnails to minimize the space they require on each of your devices. The user always has access to the original.

Try reading up a bit before making such blanket, uninformed statements.
 
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