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If I wasn't so intertwined with the Apple ecosystem, this would probably be my current phone. With that said, I also am keeping flagship phones for years where I used to upgrade yearly.
 
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It's not always the case, but with Apple you often pay more to get less, hardware-wise. And it works for Apple because its customers are ready to pay extra for the brand and its ecosystem. That's why Apple is so profitable. But that's also why Apple will never dominate the market, and I guess it's fine with them because it's part of their strategy: if Apple products were for the mass market, they would lose their luxury image and Apple couldn't charge as much. It's like Mercedes-Benz or Four Seasons Hotels: they don't want to cater to everyone.

The iPhone is the dominate smartphone in the US. It's as mass-market here as a brand can be and has zero luxury image...you can buy them at Walmart, ffs.
 
The Pixel 9 is discounted to $50 less than the 16e where I live. It's a no-brainer (unless you're stuck into iOS like most of us).
Sadly, the 16e was priced not to cannibalize the 16 market and not in Pixel 9e territory where it belongs.
 
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I'm so out of the loop these days. Which apple services are now available on Andriod? I know music for sure, apple tv?Could really use icloud storage to work with Android but pretty sur that's a no go still.
 
I'm so out of the loop these days. Which apple services are now available on Andriod? I know music for sure, apple tv?Could really use icloud storage to work with Android but pretty sur that's a no go still.
Just Apple Music & Apple TV+ (there's also Apple Music Classical & Shazam, of course).
 
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Simplifying this with the term 'dealbreaker' under-represents the fundamentally different approach Apple take, where the buyer is a customer, not the product.

When the Android operating system is involved anywhere in the purchase equation, caveat emptor.

Spot-on. Why would anyone that immensely enjoys using the Apple ecosystem and its ease-of-use and privacy focused design ever want to go with an android phone?

To save a hundred bucks? Yeah... go for it. Good luck!
 
I’d be really happy to never see the phrase ecosystem again. Hard for me to imagine people being so enamored with electronics this way, especially the “if I wasn’t so deep in the ecosystem…” people. Nothing in your life will be worse if your devices don’t speak to each other in the same way apples do. I purposefully avoid connecting my apple devices in this way and can’t bother having all my stuff synced up, what a pain. My phone is my phone, my computer is my computer.

The cult-like marketing language has worked on too many people.
 
I hope that many people try and switch.
The market needs it :D
It’s not going to happen especially in the United States. Folks in here pretending as if the 16e isn’t going to sell better than the pixel.
 
Absolutely! Apple is becoming less and less competitive. First time ever that I’m seriously interested in what other brands have to offer.
Agreed. And Apple's Siri debacle is appalling given the speed of innovation that Google is showing with Gemini.

I'll repeat what I've said in another post here:

Apple's seeming inability to roll out competitive LLMs and a digital assistant to match Gemini, is a little like Nokia and Blackberry not having an answer to the iPhone in 2008.

Not a disaster right at that time - but a disaster by 2010.
 
I’d be really happy to never see the phrase ecosystem again. Hard for me to imagine people being so enamored with electronics this way, especially the “if I wasn’t so deep in the ecosystem…” people. Nothing in your life will be worse if your devices don’t speak to each other in the same way apples do. I purposefully avoid connecting my apple devices in this way and can’t bother having all my stuff synced up, what a pain. My phone is my phone, my computer is my computer.

The cult-like marketing language has worked on too many people.
Just because you don’t care about ecosystems doesn’t mean others have to follow suit. Many consumers like the streamlined and seamless experience an ecosystem brings.
 
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