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It's not always the case, but with Apple you often pay more to get less, hardware-wise. And it works for Apple because its customers are ready to pay extra for the brand and its ecosystem. That's why Apple is so profitable. But that's also why Apple will never dominate the market, and I guess it's fine with them because it's part of their strategy: if Apple products were for the mass market, they would lose their luxury image and Apple couldn't charge as much. It's like Mercedes-Benz or Four Seasons Hotels: they don't want to cater to everyone.
exactly. it is about the profit margin's.
Google is competing with Samsung and Pixel 9a is competing against Samsung mid-range A series.
 


Google today introduced the Pixel 9a, its latest lower-priced smartphone. The device is launching in April, and it will compete with Apple's new iPhone 16e.

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In terms of specs and pricing, the Pixel 9a tops the iPhone 16e in at least four ways.

First, the Pixel 9a's 6.3-inch OLED display is larger than the iPhone 16e's 6.1-inch screen.

Second, the Pixel 9a's display supports up to a 120Hz refresh rate for smoother scrolling and content, while the iPhone 16e is limited to 60Hz.

Third, while both the Pixel 9a and the iPhone 16e are equipped with a 48-megapixel main rear camera, the Pixel 9a also has an Ultra Wide camera.

Fourth, the Pixel 9a starts at $499 in the U.S., while the iPhone 16e starts at $599.

Of course, the Pixel 9a runs Android, which is simply a dealbreaker for many iPhone users who prefer the Apple ecosystem or feel too locked in to bother switching platforms. But, increased competition is always good to see.

To learn more about the Pixel 9a, read Google's blog post.

Article Link: Google's New $499 Pixel 9a Tops the iPhone 16e in Four Ways
This wipes the floor with the 16e. The flat camera is an instant winner. Looks very clean and has two interesting colours unlike th boring black and white on the "base" iPhone.
 
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Waiting for release of Pixel 10 and then I am switching completely from Apple
I'm holding off for now. (That said, I do have a Pixel 9 XL that I use just for beta testing, but it has no SIM card.) The fact that Google needs to sell off Chrome is one reason that gives me pause about switching. The other thing keeping me on the fence is waiting to see what becomes of their digital assistant mess. Google Assistant is going away, but Gemini isn't the new assistant, it's Pixie (Pixel Sense)? We shall see what becomes of it all, but it's very in flux right now and reminds me of the days when your Android chat and video calling apps changed every year. (And yes, Siri is also a mess of a digital assistant and it has been delayed, but I see what they are trying to do and think they can get there. Google seems to have a bit less direction right now with this aspect, IMHO.) I will definitely be watching the Pixel 10 keynote, but they need a good vision to win me over.
 
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It's a very nice phone but you do have to completely buy into the Android ecosystem.
Depends on what you mean by "buy in." You only need to do what makes sense to you.

You don't even need to go All Google. I have Microsoft Office, OneNote, and OneDrive and don't use Google Docs or Keep or Drive. I use PocketCasts and my own local music rather than the discontinued Google Podcasts and YouTube Music. A lot of iPhone users are already using Gmail and Google Maps daily. Not much more effort to make Google your reminders, contacts, calendar, etc. But it's not all-or-nothing.
 
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As a long time Apple user, this is definitely a really good deal! I’m an iPhone 16 Pro user so I’d rather not switch, but this is definitely a good option for those who want a true budget phone.
 
The pixel main competition is other android phones not the iPhone. The market has to work harder to differentiate. The pixel like as a whole still has an upward battle to win the regular consumer who sees galaxy phones as the android default.
I sincerely hope Apple isn’t thinking they have no competition and people won’t leave. The way they rushed Apple Intelligence indicates they’re not thinking that way. But hardware margins is a different story and Apple isn’t going to budge on that.
 
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Depends on what you mean by "buy in." You only need to do what makes sense to you.

You don't even need to go All Google. I have Microsoft Office, OneNote, and OneDrive and don't use Google Docs or Keep or Drive. I use PocketCasts and my own local music rather than the discontinued Google Podcasts and YouTube Music. A lot of iPhone users are already using Gmail and Google Maps daily. Not much more effort to make Google your reminders, contacts, calendar, etc. But it's not all-or-nothing.
I wish Apple would make more of an effort to compete with Microsoft Office. I would happily switch if iWork provided a much better alternative.
 
Almost all my friends either never bought iPhones or now have switched to Samsung or Pixel phones.

Siri is so bad now, it's worse now than ever. So many restrictions - why doesn't it remember I always click allow location or whatever else. My best friend could delete background people and objects years ago in photos and it must've been intuitive because he has no clue how anything works. 2 of my friends have the Samsung fold phone and love it. My work is all based on google apps, gmail, calendar, meet. I would say 95% of our patrons use gmail and 2% use iCloud. The rest still use aol emails (our average Patron age is 70).
Exactly, people don‘t want AI genmojis to calm investors („hi we use AI“ wow) or app icon coloring to be „innovative“.

They want a smart genius assistant for hands free tasks (since 14 years), they want smart photo editing, they want nice smart innovations.

They don‘t want design restrictions such as 9 minute snooze, or copy text with formatting as default, or many more pointless constraints :)
 
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I sincerely hope Apple isn’t thinking they have no competition and people won’t leave. The way they rushed Apple Intelligence indicates they’re not thinking that way. But hardware margins is a different story and Apple isn’t going to budge on that.
You don’t really thinks the average consumer thinks about switching ecosystems unless they are unhappy with the current phone they have? Apple has rarely competed on specs especially in the budget end of their lines. The American market is mostly IPhone and Samsung.
 
They could be making a profit just not the 40% margin that Apple typically makes on its hardware.
Right. Of course none of us are in a position to say what Apple’s iPhone hardware margins should be but if they slowly start losing share to Google/Samsung they might start thinking about it. From a hardware standpoint, outside of Apple Silicon what is Apple’s biggest differentiator? Other brands have displays that are just as good. Their cameras are just as good. They get as good if not better battery life. The fit and finish is just as nice. It’s hard to argue anymore that Apple’s hardware is more premium.
 
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The best thing that could happen to Apple is for them to be required to open up iOS to other hardware manufacturers. Maybe it's time to get Brussels/EU on to this.

Hey, look at this in today's Guardian online (there should be no firewall):

"The commission told Apple it must make its operating systems available to devices made by competitors, such as smartphones and wireless headphones, or else face the prospect of investigations and fines."

 
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You don’t really thinks the average consumer thinks about switching ecosystems unless they are unhappy with the current phone they have? Apple has rarely competed on specs especially in the budget end of their lines. The American market is mostly IPhone and Samsung.
I think it’s pretty s—ty if Apple is overpricing their hardware because they’re confident people won’t switch.
 
Absolutely! Apple is becoming less and less competitive. First time ever that I’m seriously interested in what other brands have to offer.
Not only the hardware is better and cheaper, you also get a good working assistant.

Gone are the days “you’ll only see this coming from Apple” unless they mean the steep prices.

Android already leapfrogged iOS and is at least two years ahead of iOS. Available in 45 languages!
 
Depends on what you mean by "buy in." You only need to do what makes sense to you.

You don't even need to go All Google. I have Microsoft Office, OneNote, and OneDrive and don't use Google Docs or Keep or Drive. I use PocketCasts and my own local music rather than the discontinued Google Podcasts and YouTube Music. A lot of iPhone users are already using Gmail and Google Maps daily. Not much more effort to make Google your reminders, contacts, calendar, etc. But it's not all-or-nothing.
Android, especially on a Pixel phone, is tightly connected to multiple Google services, so you do have to be close to "all in" anyway. I still wish the Pixel 9a included a 512 GB version, though.
 
You don’t really thinks the average consumer thinks about switching ecosystems unless they are unhappy with the current phone they have. Apple has rarely competed on specs especially in the budget end of their lines. The American market is mostly IPhone and Samsung.
I don’t think the ecosystem argument applies to everyone. Most kids these days are using Chromebooks in school. That means they are not tied into Apple’s ecosystem. Doesn’t make any difference if they use an iPhone or a Google phone or a Samsung phone. The apps they need are available on iOS and Android. The only people tied to Apple’s ecosystem are people like us who use Macs and iPhones.
 
Pixel 9a also has a larger battery (5,100 mAh) vs iPhone 16e (4,005 mAh).

The Pixel 9a display has a higher peak brightness of 2,700 nits vs the iPhone 16e's 2,000 nits.

I thought the Pixel 9a would have less memory, but nope. It also has 8GB RAM and 128GB storage like the iPhone 16e.

And for those wondering, this will have 7 years of OS upgrades and security support.
All in all a no brainer! If im ready for a new mobile phone, I’ll definitely switch.

60hz screen in 2025 🤮

Even Android is years ahead of iOS and offer a great assistant.

I’m curious when people are noticing Apple is ripping them off. But once people switch to an Android phone, I’ve never heard anyone regretting it. Could also be that there are far more Android as iOS users over here. Apple’s closed ecosystem is becoming more and more a handicap than a blessing for me.
 
I don’t think the ecosystem argument applies to everyone. Most kids these days are using Chromebooks in school. That means they are not tied into Apple’s ecosystem. Doesn’t make any difference if they use an iPhone or a Google phone or a Samsung phone. The apps they need are available on iOS and Android. The only people tied to Apple’s ecosystem are people like us who use Macs and iPhones.
A lot of kids hate the experience they have on chrombooks. They also use tend to been using iPads since they where toddlers and still use them as media consumption devices. Young people at least in the United States vastly prefer iPhones
 
I've been a Mac user for many years but have used Android phones for past 10 years. The Pixel phones are excellent if you want an o/s that while not 'stock' Android anymore is fairly clean, and has a monthly update, and they are very good value, good build quality devices often at big discounts for the previous gen models. The downside is giving money to Alphabet/Google and presumably having your data/usage tapped by them.
 
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