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Google's New 'iPager' Ad Shames Apple for Using Outdated Messaging Standard

tomnavratil said:
Well considering their overall business model, their ToS and privacy policy, they are interested in data overall. Be it the content of messages themselves or the metadata. After all, Gmail reads your emails and Google scans Google drive for content, why would this be any different?
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Apple and every pretty much every app downloaded is stealing user data as well. If you don't think this is true, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you on the cheap! They can have it. Sure I'd like to get compensated for it, but we all know that isn't happening (from any company).
 
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zorinlynx said:
I think Apple won't support RCS until the carriers insist. Hopefully they do so soon.

It's frustrating that Apple so often pretends Android doesn't exist. A phone is a communication device; it should be able to communicate as securely and reliably as possible with all other phones.
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The carriers cannot insist...the carriers are indirectly using Google's RCS, so they can't even provide it directly to Apple.

It's frustrating to me that Android users assume it is always so cut and dry that Apple is in the wrong.
 
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deebinem said:
A few of my circle does and the biggest complaint with being on a group message with green bubblers is I CANNOT LEAVE THE FRICKIN' GROUP MESSAGE like I could if we were all blue... #firstworldproblems
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Young people. I understand their need to be validated by others; it's a folly of youth.

I'm past the age where other people opinion affects my self worth. This is why I can embarass my teenage daughter if I come to her school in my underwear, but not feel embarassed myself.😁 The only thing preventing me from doing so is decency laws.🤭

If y'all obsessed with blue bubbles, Android lets you choose your bubble color.

I don't care for RCS. If I want advance messaging features, I'd use a 3rd party messaging app.

Edit: Stupid ad. The vast majority of under 30 have no idea what a pager is, so it'll *whoosh*. Old people don't care.
 
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iMessage is not SMS that I can tell. They must want the fallback when you can't iMessage to be RCS instead of SMS.
 
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Rychiar said:
But no one in the US uses it….
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This is party because US carriers jumped on the "unlimited texting!" much sooner than other countries and the low level of data used by WhatsApp (at least for text... initially) was a way to get around texting limits.

I'd never use WhatsApp because it's owned by Meta and anyone who thinks they don't have a back door is kidding themselves.
 
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This is nonsense. The only interested Apple uses this is Google and no one else than Google. There are billions of people all around the world chatting between platforms with zero issues just using a messaging app like Telegram or WhatsApp
 
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jman240 said:
Nice of google to advertise Apple's exclusive features. It's amazing this bothers them so much, I mean you can just use Gchat, I mean Hangouts, I mean Allo, I mean Meet, I mean Chat to talk with people on google devices these days...
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Buzz !

Joking aside, I do think that Apple should adopt Rich Communication Services (RCS) Universal Profile given that it is a Mobile Network Operator (MNO / 'carrier') agnostic standard published by the Global System for Mobile Communications Association (GSMA), even though the implementation using the Google Jibe hub has become the _de facto_ default.
 
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britboyj said:
This is party because US carriers jumped on the "unlimited texting!" much sooner than other countries and the low level of data used by WhatsApp (at least for text... initially) was a way to get around texting limits.

I'd never use WhatsApp because it's owned by Meta and anyone who thinks they don't have a back door is kidding themselves.
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Yeah encryption is quite funny when you hold the encryption keys on the server; funnily enough though their encryption protocol is quite well-written.
 
tomnavratil said:
I mean I do have a love/hate relationship with their policy in technology. A lot of the work EU has done in the past years have been great. Promoting transparency, security, privacy, free market and is generally pro-consumer. However there are areas where I believe the market will sort it itself. Messaging apps for example are a great example. And I remember the AOL Messenger, ICQ and MSN Messenger.
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Their so called fight for security, transparency and privacy is a facade. I’m sure lots of people fall for it. LoL.
 
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There are three issues with RCS.

First, it goes through Google, which is odd. Why?

Second, phone companies will create their own RCS versions. Think of the Amazon App Store, Google App Store, etc.

Third, according to what I've heard, the app will likely break if you switch phones. Remember the iMessage chaos from back in the day when they attempted to switch to Android? It's like that in this case.
 
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One of the big reasons I came back from Android is this persistent whiny attitude that they all seem to work under, but never seem to deliver even when they have total control. RCS was in the early stages of rollout when I dropped my Pixel for an iPhone 11. It JUST became enabled by default on android devices about a month ago. Nothing to do with if apple supports it, android to android it wasn't on by default.

They still didn't have any usable support for things like boarding passes or event tickets like apple wallet did, either. Again, nothing to do with if apple supported it... and yet they just sat around twiddling their thumbs. Did they sort this out after I left? Maybe, but I don't particularly care anymore. I felt that way about so many things in life that actually mattered, while google was pushing irrelevant gimmicks that had little use to me.

No focus, no refinement in the user experience. Dark mode had no ability to schedule it when it was first added, and switching between light and dark mode made the entire screen do a janky flicker animation. Meanwhile on iOS it cleanly transitions on every app I use except Discord. They cloned the iOS gestures but the bar doesn't float over the app, it's in a tiny grey menu bar at the bottom of the screen. It genuinely feels like nobody who works at google uses an android phone, which obviously cannot be true.

Anyway, I'd love to have a better texting experience with android phones, but I think Google killed what slim chance they had by turning RCS into their own proprietary messaging service. Apple can ride that excuse into the sunset.
 
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swingerofbirch said:
The "buy your mom an iPhone" thing bothered me for a few reasons:

1) It shows Tim Cook's true motivation in not adopting RCS is in sales/stock price, just like when Apple decided not to release iMessage for Android because they knew families would buy Android phones for their kids if Android had iMessage available: https://www.macrumors.com/2021/04/09/epic-apple-no-imessage-on-android/

2) It's insulting to suggest that this woman can't make up her own mind about which phone she wants and needs someone else to buy one for her. It's paternalistic by proxy. "Buy your mom an iPhone"? She's a person with agency. Maybe she doesn't want an iPhone and can pick her own phone.

3) Apple is willing to spite its *own* customers with a worse experience for competitive advantage. It's not just keeping something away from Android. It's ridiculous to assume 100% of the population is ever going to use iPhones (and if that ever did happen Apple would be broken up), so by definition iPhone users are always going to have a worsened experience interacting in the real world with two major OSes just like Android users will continue to have a worsened experience due to Apple not either working with Google or releasing iMessage on Android. The reporter who asked the question *had* an iPhone and was having a bad experience on it, just like his mother was on her phone, but Tim Cook didn't care about the customer he already had (the reporter) and that customer's experience on iPhone—he was willing to spite him; he just wanted another customer, too. That's not a nice businessperson. That's an overly greedy businessperson that has indifference for current customers' experience, and it's off-putting.
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1. Not developing iMessage for Android and not using RCS are two different things, with two different rationales. The first, not making the app, is because it is a lot of work on Apple's end to lose a competitive advantage...or it was, at the time that rationale was revealed. With RCS now here as an option, they may have changed their focus completely. Not using RCS is outright because Google is the only one using RCS right now. Not the carriers, not other manufacturers. Just Google's servers hosting RCS and the carriers leveraging it. Using RCS on an iPhone would require Apple and Google to handshake and send all of the messaging traffic through Google, which is not something anyone should want.

2. Get over it, she doesn't have an iPhone - you can buy one for her and she can have both. She can use that agency to decide.

3. You're just wrong about this one through and through, and assuming that Google is just out for the greater good here. That's not the case, and this ad only furthers it.
 
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With all of these other companies, you just have to look at how many ads etc Apple release taking the micky out of said companies. Then when you realise none, you see who is scared of who.
 
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