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Got a CRAZY deal on NEW aluminum MBP 2.4ghz!

There is something fishy about how these computers were obtained. They remind me of a guy who used to list Apple gift cards on craig's list and state that he got them from a machine that he returned to Apple while he kept listing cards for around $8,000 :eek: with the same "refund for a defective machine" reasoning lol :D

These might be either stolen from China, from here or even bought through the Shanghai facility somehow.
 
senorfrog97 said:
Paypal generates a receipt for every Ebay purchase. I've brought in a macbook for service to Apple and had no problems showing that "receipt"

I don't understand what a "grey market" macbook pro would be. ?



PM 10% Ebay coupon? :D



I agree with you. Everything looks fine. Powerseller. Recent feedback. So he's making very small if any profit. Either way I believe Paypal has you covered for the FULL purchase price, so there's really no fear of losing money. Just make sure you file a claim before the deadline if it hasn't come and it becomes sketchy.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_market

10% coupon is achieved via Live. You need to be signed in i think.

i've heard horror stories on paypal. Read the terms and conditions before thinking Paypal has your back.
 
I really liked this comment

1.) HOW DO YOU SELL THEM SO CHEAP - A.) WHY NOT? HOW MUCH SHOULD WE CHARGE? I'D BE HAPPY TO ACCEPT A HIGHER PAYMENT, AND IN FACT, THE PRICE WILL GO UP IN THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
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But really if it's too good to be true then it usually is...
 
For those that think paypal will get your back, please know from my OWN previous experiences, paypal protection is terrible. They will only get you back what they can. I've been screwed by them before. Thank goodness the credit card that I use protects me, but I know there are many credit cards that don't protect beyond UNAUTHORIZED CHARGES.

To get the machine to keep and use is one thing, the OP said that he wants to get this to resell. I'm not sure if that is worth the risk of trying to sell something that may be questionable or not legit.
 
madmaxmedia said:
$1800 isn't too unbelievable of a price, though even then the seller is paying $100 or so just in EBay and Paypal fees.

The cashback sweetens the buyer price, but obviously the seller is not paying for it.

There seem to be a few sellers at around $1800, some of which are shipping immediately rather than 30 days. And they have good feedback.

I can't really afford it, but man does it make a sell-and-upgrade really tempting...
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yea most people probably glazed over the fact that the deal was after MICROSOFT cashback, the seller on mine still got the full 1800 minus fees. unless someone can say exactly how much apple sells to their resellers for at the wholesale rate, nobody should be talking smack or making accusations of stolen goods/grey market. by the way, as far as that wiki entry goes, i guess me reselling my old MBP is grey market. regardless, apple will honor the warranty and it sticks with the serial of the laptop
 
grey market has nothing to do with used items. -___-

its okay if you dont know what it means.

reselling your laptop is not illegal or grey market. In fact you can even transfer AC to the new owner officially, as i have done in the past.
 
i would NOT go for a deal like that. that account could be hacked and you find out in 30 days when it's too late. and paypal covers you only for 14 days or?

something is strange there.
 
my previous post was in response to hari-bhari.

exactly. He could be purchasing MBPs bulk in China/shanghai intended for the Chinese market, where Apple manufactures them and resells them abroad (i.e. US).

that is the definition of grey market.
 
andiwm2003 said:
i would NOT go for a deal like that. that account could be hacked and you find out in 30 days when it's too late. and paypal covers you only for 14 days or?

something is strange there.
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Please read the terms below.
 

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DjAmTraX said:
Please read the terms below.
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Since you brought up paypal's terms, you may want to check out their legal agreements:

"However, recovery of any amounts is not guaranteed and is limited to the amounts that PayPal can recover from the seller’s Account, even if PayPal makes a final decision in your favor."

Scary, huh?
 
kmarketing said:
Since you brought up paypal's terms, you may want to check out their legal agreements:

"However, recovery of any amounts is not guaranteed and is limited to the amounts that PayPal can recover from the seller’s Account, even if PayPal makes a final decision in your favor."

Scary, huh?
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considering how cheap SSN and EINs are, churning and burning banks accounts can net you quite a bit before paypal closes them down.
 
kmarketing said:
Since you brought up paypal's terms, you may want to check out their legal agreements:

"However, recovery of any amounts is not guaranteed and is limited to the amounts that PayPal can recover from the seller’s Account, even if PayPal makes a final decision in your favor."

Scary, huh?
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I was scammed several years ago - by a criminal lawyer no less - Leonard Kornberg - I still remember his name. The paypal dispute was ruled in my favor, but because he already withdrew the money to his bank account, I was SOL. I did a chargeback and paypal just put MY account in the negatives and threatened to send collectors against me if I didn't pay them back for the amount I charged back. I ended up writing it off as a loss.

Fast forward to today. Paypal's new policy that started earlier this year, now has a 21 day probational period on "high risk" transactions. Paypal basically acts as an escrow and doesn't allow the seller to withdraw the money until there is proof of delivery or positive feedback. Payment is held for 21 days so the buyer has time to dispute without being SOL (like I was several years ago) if the seller decides to go AWOL.

This brings us to the listing in this thread - the 30 day waiting period is extremely sketchy. It gives the seller the 21 days he needs to withdraw the money AND time for it to transfer it to his bank. This means you basically have forfeited ANY protection paypal has for you. EVEN if you disputed after 30 days and won - you would NOT be protected for the full amount. If you asked me, it's not worth the risk.
 
I had a eBay coupon but it expired oct 31st, hopefully I can be another one.

Does live offer cashback on amazon purchases?
 
Sun Baked said:
considering how cheap SSN and EINs are, churning and burning banks accounts can net you quite a bit before paypal closes them down.
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is it possible to buy a SSN ? :D

anyways :
(YOU WILL RECIEVE 1 LAPTOP PER $1,679 BID)!
PLEASE DO NOT BID/BUY IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A CONFIRMED PAYPAL ADDRESS, YOUR PAYMENT WILL BE REFUNDED!!
GURANTEED TO BE 100% NEW / FACTORY FRESH BUILT, SAME AS PAYING $1,999 RETAIL!
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For me, this sound pretty fishy.
 
six.four said:
I was scammed several years ago - by a criminal lawyer no less - Leonard Kornberg - I still remember his name. The paypal dispute was ruled in my favor, but because he already withdrew the money to his bank account, I was SOL. I did a chargeback and paypal just put MY account in the negatives and threatened to send collectors against me if I didn't pay them back for the amount I charged back. I ended up writing it off as a loss.

Fast forward to today. Paypal's new policy that started earlier this year, now has a 21 day probational period on "high risk" transactions. Paypal basically acts as an escrow and doesn't allow the seller to withdraw the money until there is proof of delivery or positive feedback. Payment is held for 21 days so the buyer has time to dispute without being SOL (like I was several years ago) if the seller decides to go AWOL.

This brings us to the listing in this thread - the 30 day waiting period is extremely sketchy. It gives the seller the 21 days he needs to withdraw the money AND time for it to transfer it to his bank. This means you basically have forfeited ANY protection paypal has for you. EVEN if you disputed after 30 days and won - you would NOT be protected for the full amount. If you asked me, it's not worth the risk.
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That just sums up who's back PayPal has doesn't it? They should A) force the seller to ship the product within a REASONABLE amount of time. There's no excuse for the 30 days. B) give the customer 14 days AFTER said product is shipped.

Thats insane that the seller can wait that long to ship, something smells about this "deal."
 
tcphoto said:
You are wrong, eBay encourages you to work it out before posting neutral or negative feedback because you cannot change it after it's done.
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No, you are wrong. Sellers can't leave negative or neutral feedback for buyers at all anymore. They changed the feedback system about a year ago. You can still report unpaid items as a seller.

Buyers can still leave any type of feedback for a seller, positive, negative or neutral.

Damo
 
Look this whole thing sounds extremely fishy but if you pay with a credit card directly or through paypal or any other service, you must report any chargeback disputes within a certain time period but after you receive the first credit card statement on which the charge is found. Federal law gives you a certain number of days in which to dispute, but your contractual terms with your credit card company may give you more time. Paypal can and will penalize you (by closing your account) if you use your chargeback rights before letting them try to resolve the dispute. The problem with letting them try is you may run into your chargeback deadline before the dispute is resolved. The reason they do this is that PayPal is responsible to the credit card bank to pay for the chargeback and then PayPal must recover its loss from the original seller. PayPal knows it has a very small chance of recovering its loss and so tries to mediate a refund before you do a chargeback. If you sit on your chargeback rights, PayPal is not responsible for repayment of your loss. Under certain circumstances PayPal may insure your loss but see their terms for the specific requirements of that insurance.
My only advice is to be very careful about your rights, check the terms and sacrifice the convenience of paypal if you are about to exceed your credit card chargeback period.
 
I don't know why you guys are slamming this seller. The listing has all the good signs of a perfect seller. None of you purchased from the seller and got burned.
Pay Pal's Protection Policy has holes, I agree. But it aplies to all sales through Ebay. So unless you are dealing in person, all Ebay purchases are considered "high risk". I bought both my laptops on Ebay and never had any issues.
 
As I understood it, PayPal has new terms since Oct 31, and now you're fully insured on the entire purchase price for qualified purchases that meet the certain requirements - which this seller meets. You just have to open a dispute within 45 days of sending payment. I don't see anything in their terms about a possibility of not getting the full purchase price back - it looks like you're fully covered if the item is qualified for their 'new' "Buyer Protection".

Someone please correct me if you're sure this is wrong. I think they just rolled this new protection policy out this November.
 
The policy flaw is one line in the Full Terms and Condition page, not in the mini version on Ebay. I have never been burned on Ebay so I can't comment on the dispute process. I believe this seller is good. I've purchased Apple laptops and many other things from sellers with less than perfect reuptation without problems. This seller's Ebay reputation is better than mine. :D
 
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