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Got it!

Mine too. When I was ordering my Mac Pro, I thought hell, It's a $4000+ machine, just get dual superdrives and all the BT/Wireless stuff in there....it's working perfect here.
 
SDAVE said:
No problem 🙂

As far as XP 64, I think you need to find the drivers yourself, because Apple does not provide them 🙁
So for most of the stuff you can find drivers, but some will be missing. It's worth a try I guess? There is a XP 64 trial that Microsoft has on their site....not sure how many days though, but if it works, then you can buy the retail.

3DMax and Maya are owned by Autodesk...3dMax is usually used for game creations (usually) and Maya is more towards movies, but obviously 3dMax is much older and has a bigger user base, so Autodesk does not want it to hit the Maya users...I use Cinema4D (Even though I used a bit of Maya on OSX before) and I love it. It's universal, as it was built for both Windows and Macs.

Hope this helps
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i think i'll wait on XP64... yeah, i know max and maya are owned by autodesk, but a mac version of maya came out when they were still owned by alias/wavefront - so, when they were purchased by autodesk, some feared they would discontinue the mac versions. obviously this hasn't happened. max is used mostly in games/architecture; but it has started to be used for film. obviously, maya is king when it comes to film and high-end effects work.

i have a question about temperatures - i downloaded istat, and SMC Fancontrol - but what should my target temperatures be?

Thanks again,

DZL
 
Are you talking about temps under OSX or Windows? Because under Windows some people have reported that under heavy use it gets really hot. I don't do really intensive stuff under Windows, so I can't say...but I do alot of processor/3d card intensive stuff under OSX. The behind of my Mac Pro gets really hot, but nothing to get mad about. The machine knows when to kick up the fans etc. The CPU and RAM are the hottest components on this system. The ATI card pushes out alot of heat too.
 
SDAVE said:
Are you talking about temps under OSX or Windows? Because under Windows some people have reported that under heavy use it gets really hot. I don't do really intensive stuff under Windows, so I can't say...but I do alot of processor/3d card intensive stuff under OSX. The behind of my Mac Pro gets really hot, but nothing to get mad about. The machine knows when to kick up the fans etc. The CPU and RAM are the hottest components on this system. The ATI card pushes out alot of heat too.
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i guess osx - is there a way to monitor hear when i'm in XP?

yeah, i was thinking getting one of these for the ATI card.

DZL
 
DZL said:
no, it was in a seperate box... that is weird.

DZL
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I hope they don't do that with mine. That is definitely something that should be installed. That's like me ordering extra RAM and having them just throw it in the box (only memory would be easier to install).
 
flyinmac said:
I hope they don't do that with mine. That is definitely something that should be installed. That's like me ordering extra RAM and having them just throw it in the box (only memory would be easier to install).
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yeah, this kind of irks me - i've sent an email to powermax asking them if this was the usual way things are done. i'll let you know when i get a response.

DZL
 
DZL said:
yeah, this kind of irks me - i've sent an email to powermax asking them if this was the usual way things are done. i'll let you know when i get a response.

DZL
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Ah, if you didn't buy direct from the Apple Store, that could be why.
 
Sean Dempsey said:
Ah, if you didn't buy direct from the Apple Store, that could be why.
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Yep. I bet that they just had a system sitting there and gave you that system and threw the add-ons in the box.

A real custom computer from Apple ships with the options you ordered already installed.

I've never had a BTO system from Apple that needed anything installed. But, I could see a reseller trying to get away with that.

At the very least, I would demand a refund for part of the price. If you have to install it, then it was not a custom-order system. Essentially, they sent you a computer they had, and then sold you a do-it-yourself upgrade.

If you paid as much to do this as you would have to purchase the computer with that option from Apple, then I'd really be doing some complaining.

Also, since it was not built-to-order by Apple (or didn't originally leave Apple's factory with that option installed), the wireless options may not be covered under Apple's system warranty. You probably won't have any warranty on those items at all.

The system information plate on your computer (don't know where it is on the Mac Pro's) will only list the options that the computer shipped with. Those options will be covered by the warranty. User add-ons will not be. Especially if they're ones you are not supposed to be able to get yourself.

Typically, end-user upgrades will have warranties that are individual to that upgrade (from it's manufacturer). But, since this part is not a part that is supposed to be sold separately, I don't see any way of getting warranty service if that part dies.

I would definitely contact the place you purchased this, and demand compensation. At the very least a written warranty guaranteeing that they will replace the part if it dies during your computer's warranty period.
 
flyinmac said:
Yep. I bet that they just had a system sitting there and gave you that system and threw the add-ons in the box.

A real custom computer from Apple ships with the options you ordered already installed.

I've never had a BTO system from Apple that needed anything installed. But, I could see a reseller trying to get away with that.

At the very least, I would demand a refund for part of the price. If you have to install it, then it was not a custom-order system. Essentially, they sent you a computer they had, and then sold you a do-it-yourself upgrade.

If you paid as much to do this as you would have to purchase the computer with that option from Apple, then I'd really be doing some complaining.

Also, since it was not built-to-order by Apple (or didn't originally leave Apple's factory with that option installed), the wireless options may not be covered under Apple's system warranty. You probably won't have any warranty on those items at all.

The system information plate on your computer (don't know where it is on the Mac Pro's) will only list the options that the computer shipped with. Those options will be covered by the warranty. User add-ons will not be. Especially if they're ones you are not supposed to be able to get yourself.

Typically, end-user upgrades will have warranties that are individual to that upgrade (from it's manufacturer). But, since this part is not a part that is supposed to be sold separately, I don't see any way of getting warranty service if that part dies.

I would definitely contact the place you purchased this, and demand compensation. At the very least a written warranty guaranteeing that they will replace the part if it dies during your computer's warranty period.
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thanks, flyinmac - but what about applecare?

DZL
 
DZL said:
thanks, flyinmac - but what about applecare?

DZL
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I would expect that AppleCare will cover the computer just fine. But, it will not cover anything that you have added to the computer yourself.

AppleCare only covers the computer as it was when it left Apple's Factory. Any BTO items would have needed to be in the machine at the time to be covered.

Now, you may have an argument if your invoice shows that the computer came with that add-on. But, that could be argued two different ways.

You could argue that PowerMax was an authorized dealer, and sold you a customized computer. But, that first depends on whether PowerMax is an authorized dealer. And, also whether or not Apple would consider that a customized computer or whether it would be considered a computer you purchased being upgraded. My bet is on the later.

By design, AppleCare covers the computer and anything it originally shipped with. But, Apple could easily argue that it did not include wireless since it was not in the computer, and especially since you installed it.

If you are buying AppleCare or already did, then I would demand some form of WRITTEN statement / warranty from PowerMax stating that they will honor that part for the entire run of any warranty you have or may add (if you add AppleCare later) on your computer.

The thing is, you should be entitled to full warranty coverage on your computer since you purchased a custom machine. They should not have sold you a stock computer and an upgrade.

Personally, I'd demand full assurances and compensation. Or, I'd send the whole thing back at their expense for a 100% refund.

Of course, check the terms on their site for purchases. You may have inadvertently agreed to a purchase with terms that just plain suck. But, if the terms of purchase didn't provide for what you received, then I would expect to have received a full custom computer that was completely assembled and fully guaranteed by it's manufacturer just like it would have been if I had purchased it directly.

I hope this helps.
 
I wouldn't worry about it too much DZL. The hardest part about putting in a bluetooth module is finding the #1 wire. If you can see that wire you are 90% done. Just pop it in there, screw it down and put the wire on it and your done. I have done 2 of those now. Easy.
 
macenforcer said:
I wouldn't worry about it too much DZL. The hardest part about putting in a bluetooth module is finding the #1 wire. If you can see that wire you are 90% done. Just pop it in there, screw it down and put the wire on it and your done. I have done 2 of those now. Easy.
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Valid point...

I was mainly looking at it from a warranty perspective. Making sure that he gets his money's worth and full coverage like he should.
 
flyinmac said:
Valid point...

I was mainly looking at it from a warranty perspective. Making sure that he gets his money's worth and full coverage like he should.
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Sure. One thing to note though. Never send in a mac to warranty with accessories. I take everything out. Ram, hard drive, everything and give them the computer stock with the hard drive and ram that came with it. That way I get it back the same way with nothing missing. Some of those apple techs need their heads screwed on correctly. Try to explain to apple that you sent in your mac pro with 16gb of ram but it came back with 1gb. Tough sell. Say goodbye to that ram.


Quick story.

I send my IBM thinkpads in for warranty work naked. NO ram or hard drive or dvd drive. NOTHING. I always get back a new machine with all the goods. Its like they don't even fix them.
 
macenforcer said:
Sure. One thing to note though. Never send in a mac to warranty with accessories. I take everything out. Ram, hard drive, everything and give them the computer stock with the hard drive and ram that came with it. That way I get it back the same way with nothing missing. Some of those apple techs need their heads screwed on correctly. Try to explain to apple that you sent in your mac pro with 16gb of ram but it came back with 1gb. Tough sell. Say goodbye to that ram.


Quick story.

I send my IBM thinkpads in for warranty work naked. NO ram or hard drive or dvd drive. NOTHING. I always get back a new machine with all the goods. Its like they don't even fix them.
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Sounds like quite a scheme. Hey, I need more RAM. I'll just send my computer in for service 😀
 
flyinmac said:
Tell them next time to send it back with 2 gigs 😛
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Long story short... they did.

Infact they upgraded the whole computer from a T23 to a T42p. They took a month ordering it so upped the memory to 2gb for me. Not only that but I had 2 T23s and they replaced them both. I was stoked. Still have one of them. Sold the other when I got it for $3,000. I only paid $500 each for the T23s.
 
macenforcer said:
Long story short... they did.

Infact they upgraded the whole computer from a T23 to a T42p. They took a month ordering it so upped the memory to 2gb for me. Not only that but I had 2 T23s and they replaced them both. I was stoked. Still have one of them. Sold the other when I got it for $3,000. I only paid $500 each for the T23s.
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Not bad.

You should have just sent one to me though 😉

Oh well, there's always next time. I take all donations 😀
 
pics

I'll let you guys know what powermax says - they're usually pretty good about getting back to me quickly...

in the meantime, here are some pics as promised -- nothing special, but i like a clean desk...

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By dzlstudios at 2007-08-20

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By dzlstudios at 2007-08-20

DZL
 
Ram

oh, and my RAM arrived today - 4GB...

going in tonite!

and... got a DVI to DVI 15" cable -- so, my 42" HDTV will now be a 2nd monitor...

DZL
 
Glad youre enjoying your new machine, bought my first Mac Pro a couple of weeks ago, and am loving it 😀
 
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