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'GrayKey' iPhone Unlocking Box No Longer Works After iOS 12 Update

VictorTango777 said:
Isn't better crime prevention also the premise behind "Pre-Crime" (Minority Report) and the mass surveillance state?
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Pre-crime as per your "Minority Report" definition very different than crime prevention, which dates back thousands of years. You don't need some crazy science fiction/fantasy implementation to help prevent a crime from occurring.

I swear sometimes…
 
cmwade77 said:
Not sure, what the date is on this, but I believe the supreme court has already ruled that you can't be forced to give a password.

But here's the simple solution if they do try and force you: "I forgot what my password is, sorry."
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Nope. Supreme Court didn’t say such a thing.
 
predation said:
What a waste of tax payers $
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No such thing. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the old phrase "F it, the taxpayers are rich, go for it." on projects costing concerns.

If you can find a way to equate your trinket with some conceivable application related to security, they'll spend like there's no tomorrow on it. Capitalizing on americans fear turns out to be the biggest market in the world.
 
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BaccaBossMC said:
Ever since the news about the existence of these things broke, I've been using a 15-digit passcode. I've never broken a law other than speed limits, but I don't care; I'm not worried about someone with a badge. Since the technology exists, that means it can be used for nefarious purposes by someone who reverse-engineered the system.
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This right here is exactly what a regular person should be worried about. If a device like this is available to police, you can make a safe bet it (or something similar) is also available to organized crime bosses that have pickpocketers working for them, who steal people's phones, to be mined for information (SN, CC numbers etc) and then resold.
 
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Wow some of the comments I can't believe on this. MR would do well to clean them up. I have been suspended for using a Tim Cook GIF as being inappropriate and some of this crap is left to stand? I guess nothing is too low these days.
 
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Privacy and security, respect for customers, is rapidly becoming a top reason why I buy from Apple. I just trust them. Today and in the future.
 
now i see it said:
Maybe I should upgrade to iOS 12... or just don't do anything illegal
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It’s not about engaging in illegal behavior. It’s about your right to protect your personal data from an “unreasonable search.” Too many equate Apple’s Security with a perseption that it’s sole purpose is to shelter illegal activity.

Keep up the good work Apple. :apple:
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ryanwarsaw said:
Wow some of the comments I can't believe on this. MR would do well to clean them up. I have been suspended for using a Tim Cook GIF as being inappropriate and some of this crap is left to stand? I guess nothing is too low these days.
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I’ve been suspended for less. Your not alone. ;);)
 
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shplock said:
No you can’t. No matter how many times you reply to me the truth is that you can not be forced to break the 5th amendment. Any court that does is breaking the law.
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Courts have said that doesn’t break the fifth amendment. That’s the job of the courts. Not you. Unless forcing you to provide the code is, in itself, incriminating, there is no violation. It’s no different than forcing you to open a safe or your door.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/01/fifth-amendement-passcodes-passwords-law/

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-password-fifth-amendment/

https://www.zdnet.com/article/flori...-disclosure-not-protected-by-fifth-amendment/

Etc etc.

So it depends on the situation and on the federal district, but there is no law or constitutional guarantee that says you cannot be forced to unlock your phone via passcode under any circumstances.
 
now i see it said:
Maybe I should upgrade to iOS 12... or just don't do anything illegal
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...and then pray that Grayshift's security and that of every place who leases/owns a copy has no one who is dishonest and has better security that Apple, on 1/millionth the budget.
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cmaier said:
Courts have said that doesn’t break the fifth amendment. That’s the job of the courts. Not you. Unless forcing you to provide the code is, in itself, incriminating, there is no violation. It’s no different than forcing you to open a safe or your door.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/01/fifth-amendement-passcodes-passwords-law/

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/iphone-password-fifth-amendment/

https://www.zdnet.com/article/flori...-disclosure-not-protected-by-fifth-amendment/

Etc etc.

So it depends on the situation and on the federal district, but there is no law or constitutional guarantee that says you cannot be forced to unlock your phone via passcode under any circumstances.
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You are right, the caselaw is unsettled with regard to whether providing a passcode can violate the 5th amendment's protections on self incrimination.

I think eventually it will be settled that it is self-incriminating, but that is by no means clear. Right now, the 11th Circuit says it is protected (https://www.eff.org/files/filenode/opiniondoe22312.pdf), the 3rd Circuit is slightly distinguished but relied upon the 11th Circuits reasoning ("Apple macpro" - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...Third-Circuit-Opinion-3-20-2017.pdf?tid=a_inl ).

The Federal Courts of appeal have so far agreed on the standard, eventually one hopes that it will be well decided law.


If my passcode is: IDidIt
Maybe that would qualify without question.
 
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JosephAW said:
I'm not that naïve, GrayKey 2.0 is probably working just fine.
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Nah, we'd already know about it. The good thing here is that Apple will always have the upper hand and none of these boxes will work for very long.
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ThunderSkunk said:
No such thing. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the old phrase "F it, the taxpayers are rich, go for it." on projects costing concerns.

If you can find a way to equate your trinket with some conceivable application related to security, they'll spend like there's no tomorrow on it. Capitalizing on americans fear turns out to be the biggest market in the world.
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Right, that's exactly what's meant by saying "what a waste of taxpayer money".
 
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Tbh security of the iPhone is pretty much the only thing that would make me switch from android. That said, on my phone after so many failed attempts to unlock it it automatically erases itself, doesn't iPhone do that to? Or does the GreyKey override that feature?
 
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