'Green Bubbles and Blue Bubbles Want to Be Together' Says Samsung Ad Pushing Apple to Adopt RCS

[Danlez96]

To all the people hating RCS and android here, I wonder if you realize that absolutely no one outside the US uses IMessage, people out there use WhatsApp/wechat/Line/Telegram/Signal/whatever, literally anything EXCEPT iMessage/SMS,so everyone gets along very well except people in the US that love judging their relationships based on the phone others use.

As for IMessage they may as well remove it for people outside the US, the only reason it isn’t is because SMS are still needed to verify some accounts.

This dumb debate is pointless for 90% of people.

 

[R2DHue]

Lame. Google just needs to offer whatever it takes to license iMessage.

I say $100 Billion/year.

If Google’s paying Apple ≈ $20 Billion/year just to make it the default search engine (which any user can change) then they should pay Apple hella more to license iMessage. It‘s a bigger deal.

 

[jntdroid]

To all the people hating RCS and android here, I wonder if you realize that absolutely no one outside the US uses IMessage, people out there use WhatsApp/wechat/Line/Telegram/Signal/whatever, literally anything EXCEPT iMessage/SMS,so everyone gets along very well except people in the US that love judging their relationships based on the phone others use.

As for IMessage they may as well remove it for people outside the US, the only reason it isn’t is because SMS are still needed to verify some accounts.

This dumb debate is pointless for 90% of people.

This x1000. And I'm in the U.S...

This isn't a problem outside of the U.S. because those various chat options took over SMS years ago outside of the U.S. where SMS never really became free.

Apple was just smart (lucky?) enough to have iMessage be what 'took over' SMS here. But non-Apple OEMs never had a need to do it because carriers decided to make SMS free in the U.S. early on.

 

[R2DHue]

This x1000. And I'm in the U.S...

This isn't a problem outside of the U.S. because those various chat options took over SMS years ago outside of the U.S. where SMS never really became free.

Apple was just smart (lucky?) enough to have iMessage be what 'took over' SMS here. But non-Apple OEMs never had a need to do it because carriers decided to make SMS free in the U.S. early on.

“decided to” in the U.S. or had to because Apple made iChat/iMessage free for iPhone users? (Killing texting fees.)

 

[boswald]

My best friend is an “Android guy.” Not a day goes by where he doesn’t link me some anti-Apple news, pictures, or TikTok videos.
He often reminds me how loyal he is to Samsung.

Not once have I sent him anything in retaliation, nor have I sent him any emotional response to it.

The point is, I think Android folks are sometimes more obsessed about Apple than we are.

 

[TLewis]

This dumb debate is pointless for 90% of people.

This. Only Americans care about RCS. The rest of the world has moved on.

 

[jntdroid]

My best friend is an “Android guy.” Not a day goes by where he doesn’t link me some anti-Apple news, pictures, or TikTok videos.
He often reminds me how loyal he is to Samsung.

Not once have I sent him anything in retaliation; nor have I sent him any emotional response to it.

The point is, I think Android folks are sometimes more obsessed about Apple than we are.

There are problem users on both sides - as evidenced by some of the comments in this thread. They feed off of each other, while the rest of us that are more "in the middle" about both platforms get to be in the crossfire.

 

[jntdroid]

“decided to” in the U.S. or had to because Apple made iChat/iMessage free for iPhone users? (Killing texting fees.)

Good point... I don't remember if that's why carriers did that or not, but I'll go ahead and take your word for it without doing any of my own research.

 

[TECK]

I don’t care about green bubbles. I got my mama an iPhone recently, to fix the problem. She loves FaceTime, all my close friends have iPhones too.

 

[wegster]

Imagine if the web was divided that way. We’d have blue web pages that only work on WebKit, and green web pages for which WebKit only supports basic text rendering. And Apple wouldn’t allow linking to a green web page from a blue web page. Or maybe rather, show five security warnings: “Do you really want to visit that unsafe green web page?”

We did for quite some time, but it wasn’t an Apple issue - it was MS Internet Explorer.
Even though not always a tier 1 supported browser, Firefox, Safari, Opera were generally pretty standards compliant, while around 75% of browser compatibility issues or more, spanning several years and projects were for different versions of IE. This has (finally) generally improved over time vs what it was, but was a huge mess for quite some time, and possibly one of the reasons Chrome gained such a quick adoption rate early on.

 

[Naraxus]

.....I’d love to be able to send full quality pics and videos in my family and friend group chats. “Just use WhatsApp/telegram/signal/instagram/messenger” nah. I could, but I don’t like my chats living all over the place, and I can’t align my family and friends all on 1 platform.....

So because you're apparently too lazy to use other messaging apps, you want to force compliance with your wants/needs on to everyone else? That seems fair

 

[frenchcamp49er]

But an iPhone, problem solved

 

[cylack]

Shocking that Google and Samsung both want Apple to willingly give up a major competitive advantage it enjoys.

 

[R2DHue]

Good point... I don't remember if that's why carriers did that or not, but I'll go ahead and take your word for it without doing any of my own research.

I do remember at the time the major U.S. carriers being pissed at Apple for depriving them of their texting fees.

But they couldn’t do anything about it because iPhones were so popular.

Then, for years, they advertised their plans as “free, unlimited texting!” acting as if it was a free premium when in truth they had no control over texting anymore (thanks to Apple).

Apple’s been trying to get Carriers to support VoLTE (for higher audio quality on phone calls) but the Carriers wouldn’t budge.

Fine. Apple can promote FaceTime audio calling iPhone-to-iPhone which has much higher sound quality than cell calls and which can take place over WiFi — depriving Carriers of some of their cell service costs wherever WiFi is available.

That outta’ motivate those Carriers to adopt VoLTE.

 

[R2DHue]

My best friend is an “Android guy.” Not a day goes by where he doesn’t link me some anti-Apple news, pictures, or TikTok videos.
He often reminds me how loyal he is to Samsung.

Not once have I sent him anything in retaliation, nor have I sent him any emotional response to it.

The point is, I think Android folks are sometimes more obsessed about Apple than we are.

He’s insecure.

 

[Jacob1447]

android users deserve to be shamed

 

[960design]

Imagine if the web was divided that way. We’d have blue web pages that only work on WebKit, and green web pages for which WebKit only supports basic text rendering. And Apple wouldn’t allow linking to a green web page from a blue web page. Or maybe rather, show five security warnings: “Do you really want to visit that unsafe green web page?”

Brilliant! I'm changing my homepage to blue for Webkit browsers and Green for all others.

 

[n4uaj]

I buy Apple products because I like them and want all my devices on the Apple ecosystem. Messages has never stopped me from texting anyone. If it's a blue bubble then I know they most likely can take ApplePay from me. There's also the security features in Messages between myself and other Apple users that may or may not be in this thing google is pushing. If I wanted to not use Messages then I do believe I can download other SMS apps. No one is forcing users to just use the app that comes with the phone. Next thing you know Ford drivers are gonna complain that GM Radios are better and they want their Mustang to come with one.

 

[kc9hzn]

He’s insecure.

Insecurity is part of it, inasmuch as insecurity relates to tribalism. When people think tribalistically, they tend just as often to define themselves by what they’re opposed to (“those sheeple in the [outgroup]”) as they do what they’re in favor of (“[ingroup] is so much better than [outgroup]”). And this effect seems to be stronger when the two groups really aren’t that dissimilar. Sports rivalries, for instance.

You’re probably right that this tendency is due in part to insecurity; if you’re insecure in your position/identity in the ingroup, you probably (feel that you) have to loudly declare how much unlike the detested outgroup you are, lest you be mistaken for one of them. On the other hand, if you’re secure in your identity and in your spot in the pecking order, 1) you can start to evangelize the ingroup to a greater extent (without directly putting down the outgroup) and 2) you don’t need to have your ingroup status continually reinforced. It’s genuinely fascinating how quickly identity markers can spread through a tribal group, it’s “we’ve always been at war with Eastasia” type speeds.

 

[JeMeCasse]

This isn't about RCS - they can create something new if needsbe. It's not solely about imessage either. It's the fact that there's now lots of siloed messaging apps that don't interoperate, and in 2023 we can do better than SMS. As a user I welcome this.

For example, I'd love to use Signal but noone I know uses it so it's pointless. If it could interoperate with other services I could try it, and other messaging clients too. That would also open up the market for new messaging apps to join.

 

[nutmac]

Wow, 15 pages.

I just want to say that Apple should not hate RCS because iMessage is winning.

Rather, Google and carriers should realize RCS isn't taking off because it's a fragmented mess. Clean up the mess and then make RCS better than iMessage.

Only then RCS will have a strong argument for Apple to adopt RCS.

 

[leicaman]

Because it's not secure. It's spottily implemented by various vendors. It's easy to hack. And iCloud is a better implementation of SMS. it's not just any old SMS. Apple has no reason to do it because there are way too many problems with RCS. Make it a real standard not controlled by Google, and maybe it could become a good idea.

And iCloud messages ARE end-to-end encrypted.

 

[kc9hzn]

Brilliant! I'm changing my homepage to blue for Webkit browsers and Green for all others.

Since “all others” is basically Blink, you might as well liberally use the blink tag, as well.


(Does Blink even support the blink tag? Hm, sounds like I need to do some research. Edit: Sadly, it doesn’t, and it looks like it never did, despite being the perfect Google April Fools joke.)

 

[Danlez96]

Wow, 15 pages.

I just want to say that Apple should not hate RCS because iMessage is winning.

Rather, Google and carriers should realize RCS isn't taking off because it's a fragmented mess. Clean up the mess and then make RCS better than iMessage.

Only then RCS will have a strong argument for Apple to adopt RCS.

Only in the US IMessage is winning, for the vast majority of the earth population both RCS and IMessage are outdated, caveman technologies that people couldn’t care less about.

The true winner is WhatsApp

 

[boss.king]

To all the people hating RCS and android here, I wonder if you realize that absolutely no one outside the US uses IMessage, people out there use WhatsApp/wechat/Line/Telegram/Signal/whatever, literally anything EXCEPT iMessage/SMS,so everyone gets along very well except people in the US that love judging their relationships based on the phone others use.

As for IMessage they may as well remove it for people outside the US, the only reason it isn’t is because SMS are still needed to verify some accounts.

This dumb debate is pointless for 90% of people.

I'm outside of the US and know plenty of people who use iMessage and SMS. Just because no one uses it where you live doesn't mean no one uses it. Of course, we also use Whatsapp, Signal, etc, but regular texting is still pretty common.