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Greenposi0n on Sunday 10/10/10 - Not anymore thanks to GeoHot (UPDATED)

Gimzotoy said:
I honestly can't say that I'm benefiting positively. In fact, it's far more likely that I've been negatively affected. I could have had a stable jailbreak for my device today, but now we have to wait for either geohot to fix the remaining bugs in his code or for the exploit to be worked into greenpois0n. Sure, that's a selfish read of the situation, but claiming his actions did me any favors is outright false.

I think his exploit was the correct one to use at this point in time, and it looks like it all worked out OK in the end. You can be sure geohot didn't make any friends for the way he handled it, though.
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How did it not benefit you? Would you rather wait a week for your jailbreak ensuring the next idevice you buy can be jailbroken or would you rather have a jb today. Just because you can't immediately see the benefit doesn't mean it's there. Trust me you would have been far more screwed had the cdt released te shatter exploit. And if you want your jb now you can have it. Many people especially as of beta 4 are reporting no problems with the jb. You just want to hop on the geohot hate train, which is cool just don't say he screwed you because in all reality he assisted you by releasing a jb one day earlier and saving an exploit from having to be exposed to apple.
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
How did it not benefit you? Would you rather wait a week for your jailbreak ensuring the next idevice you buy can be jailbroken or would you rather have a jb today. Just because you can't immediately see the benefit doesn't mean it's there. Trust me you would have been far more screwed had the cdt released te shatter exploit. And if you want your jb now you can have it. Many people especially as of beta 4 are reporting no problems with the jb. You just want to hop on the geohot hate train, which is cool just don't say he screwed you because in all reality he assisted you by releasing a jb one day earlier and saving an exploit from having to be exposed to apple.
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My next iPhone is 2 years out, and even then there's no guarantee I'll get another one. I'm good. All I was getting at is don't pretend you have some idea of what's best for me.

If you'd said better for the community, sure, I'd agree. But you didn't. (And actually, looking back, it wasn't even you that said it so I have no problem with you at all)

And there are plenty of reasons to "hop on the geohot hate train," and this is certainly one of the lesser ones.
 
Thread summary:

chronicdevteam and, ... you guessed it, geohot ballerina
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Gimzotoy said:
My next iPhone is 2 years out, and even then there's no guarantee I'll get another one. I'm good. All I was getting at is don't pretend you have some idea of what's best for me.

If you'd said better for the community, sure, I'd agree. But you didn't. (And actually, looking back, it wasn't even you that said it so I have no problem with you at all)

And there are plenty of reasons to "hop on the geohot hate train," and this is certainly one of the lesser ones.
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CDT's GP doesn't work for non A4 devices. I'm not sure what you have, but limera1n works for everything except the first gen iPhone and iPod touch as well as the iPhone 3G (but there's Redsn0w for that). It's not that buggy to be honest. And Geohot made it compatible with the 3GS earlier today.

tempusfugit said:
I think that geohot definitely could have handled this whole situation with a little more class, but...

Seriously, the chronic dev team aren't ANY more reputable in my book than geohot.

chronic-dev != iphone-dev

Just a couple days ago @chronicdevteam were talking about how they were planning on blocking installous with greenpois0n until MuscleNerd and others chimed in about how thats literally impossible to do.

So the chronic dev team, days away from a jailbreak release, were under the impression they could magically block things.

root is root, and there is nothing they could do even if they wanted. Now I didn't go on this rant because I like installous, I'm just trying to illustrate that the people at chronic-dev aren't exactly geniuses. They don't seem to have their act together in any form, and IMHO geohot pwned them this week and he did it SINGLE HANDEDLY.


I'm enjoying limera1n without any problems and I feel that my phone is running just a tad bit smoother than it did on Star.

I understand the geohot hate in the community right now because what he did was kind of bratty, but at the same time I don't think that the chronic-dev team are a particularly great group of devs. If they didn't have support from iphone-dev people they would be nothing.
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Isn't Installous generally used for pirating apps? I don't want to get into specifics in this forum but pirating apps is bad plain and simple in my book.
 
WeegieMac said:
I would imagine that the Apple of old, the one pioneered by a young Steve Jobs, would have loved the whole underground hacking/software development scene.

Todays Steve? I'm not so sure.

If they didn't care that much, why do they sometimes release updates which seem to do nothing more than scupper jailbreaks?
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They had three options.

1. Fix the security hole.
2. Tell people to jailbreak in order to fix the security hole.
3. Leave a gaping security hole that allows arbitrary code to run in kernel-land.

Steve Jobs of 1984 would have picked the first choice. I would have picked the first choice if I were iCEO. Hell, I bet Saurik would have picked the first choice (after tweeting exactly what the update would do, of course).

EDIT -
Being a 3GS owner I can firmly way that I'm glad Limera1n came out this time instead of SHAtter. Really, releasing SHAtter right now instead of the Limera1n 'sploit would have been irresponsible. Now all devices up to and including the current A4's have unpatchable bootrom explots out. Everyone will be able to jailbreak until iPad gets rev'd or until WWDC 2011, at which point SHAtter will probably have them bootrom exploited within a week.

That doesn't change the fact that Geohot is a brat.
 
I know this is in advance but I am wondering about 4.2. Since this is such a low level jailbreak, and I have heard that apple will need to release new hardware similar to the newer bootrom 3GS. So when 4.2 comes out will it be a quick and easy change and that will be jailbroken? Just I have also heard that GeoHot has used a comex userland exploit to make it untethered so if that is patched will we be left with a 4.2 tethered jailbreak :confused:
 
Sorry, but could someone explain what the fuss/panic is over the possible patching of the Limera1n jailbreak, and what exactly it is people fear?

I seen the above post mention that if the current Limera1n was patched, then we would be left with a tethered jailbreak. Ok, how would it be patched?

I mean, if for talking sake my iPhone 4 running 4.1 jailbroken using Limera1n was updated to 4.2 when it comes out via iTunes, would this patch be applied? Sorry for sounding thick, but the wording of some questions on here is a bit off putting at times and creates more questions than answers.

So ...

1. Who would patch Limera1n?

2. When 4.2 launches officially, if I update my Limera1n JB iPhone 4, will it simply revert back to being an official 4.2 stock iPhone 4, or will the jailbreak remain intact while the update to 4.2 occurs, but I'd have a tethered jailbreak?

3. If this patch occurs, and 4.2 launches, can I simply restore my iPhone 4 using the official 4.2 via iTunes and have a stock setting iPhone again?

Thanks.
 
WeegieMac said:
So ...

1. Who would patch Limera1n?

2. When 4.2 launches officially, if I update my Limera1n JB iPhone 4, will it simply revert back to being an official 4.2 stock iPhone 4, or will the jailbreak remain intact while the update to 4.2 occurs, but I'd have a tethered jailbreak?

3. If this patch occurs, and 4.2 launches, can I simply restore my iPhone 4 using the official 4.2 via iTunes and have a stock setting iPhone again?

Thanks.
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basically, as with all previous jailbreaks, wether you restore or update with stock firmware the jailbreak itself will be gone, you would need to re-jailbreak all over again. the jailbreak program itself would need updating by the developer to add support for the newer firmware.

if you use pwnagetool you would have to restore using custom firmware produced, however everything you have done: theming, custom tones, 3rd party apps etc would be gone unless you used a backup utility from cydia - but this will generally backup anything installed via cydia an not restore back to how it was before.
 
Limera1n is a bootrom exploit which means it can't be patched, however it also uses a userland exploit that comex found which apple could patch. Basically this mean that all advices out right now will be able to jb on all future firmwares, including 4.2, 4.3, and even 5.0 and beyond.

Apple can and surely will patch the userland exploit meaning future jailbreaks will be tethered unless they find more ways to untether it.

Apple will also most likely release a new bootrom for at least the iPhone 4 in the coming weeks blocking this exploit, so another will have to be found or used.

We will see what happens but basically a bootrom exploit just means if your device can be jb now it will be able to jb all future firmwares as well, it just might have to turn into a tethered jb.
 
icedd said:
Question: Is greenpois0n making an exploit for the upcoming 4.2 now?
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Since 4.2 is not released yet, it is not way to know what will work and won't. All we know for now is the Bootrom exploit will be still be there, they need to find another exploit to make the JB UNtethered once 4.2 hit GM status
 
So a bootrom exploit is something that can't be deleted? Meaning that once I installed limerain, I can upgrade to OS 4.2 when it comes out or do a restore to 4.1 and Cydia will pop up after the restore?
 
aluren said:
So a bootrom exploit is something that can't be deleted? Meaning that once I installed limerain, I can upgrade to OS 4.2 when it comes out or do a restore to 4.1 and Cydia will pop up after the restore?
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Yes, the bootrom exploit can't be deleted. No, Cydia will still need to be loaded on the device after a restore.

These bootrom exploits are tethered, so when 4.2 comes out you'll be able to upgrade, but it'll need to be connected to a computer when rebooting in order to maintain the jailbreak.

Comex's userland exploit that can make the bootrom exploit untethered is sure to be fixed soon. Some have started saying 4.1.1 is due any day to close that hole.

In any case, when 4.2 comes out you're still going to need to wait for a tool to be released.
 
So once there's an untethered bootrom exploit, then Apple can't do anything about it correct? And I can load Cydia easily after installing a new iOS?

Another question, can the bootrom exploit be deleted? Just wanted to make sure in case I need to go to the genius bar for repairs.
 
aluren said:
So once there's an untethered bootrom exploit, then Apple can't do anything about it correct? And I can load Cydia easily after installing a new iOS?

Another question, can the bootrom exploit be deleted? Just wanted to make sure in case I need to go to the genius bar for repairs.
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Yes if you do a restore the jb will go away. All that they mean by unpatchable is that apple cannot patch the exploit using a software update, they have to update the actual hardware and bootrom similar to what they did with the 3GS and why older bootroms are easier to jb.

If you restore your phone or update to 4.1.1 or 4.2 you will lose your jb but you will be able to get it back because the exploit will forever be on your phone. However unless they update the tools with another exploit to make the jb untethered then you will have to have a tethered jb. You will likely be able to jb 4.2 as soon as it comes out using these same exploits, it will just be terhered.
 
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