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Greenposi0n on Sunday 10/10/10 - Not anymore thanks to GeoHot (UPDATED)

jav6454 said:
I stopped reading here. Why? Because I have not used, and do not plan on using Limera1n as it is now. I will wait for the Dev Team to do their coding and testing and then release before I even touch the exploit.
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It's not the dev team releasing greenpoison. Idk why you think that but the CHRONIC dev team is the one behind greenpoison, they are just using the help of comex and his userland exploit to make the jb untethered just like limerain.

You may not be using geohots tool but if you jb on 4.1 you are still using limerain and his exploit even if it's through greenpoison when released. Hate him all you want you are still using geohots exploit if you plan to jb on 4.1
 
It's quite a shame when someone refuses to even give a logical reasoning a chance. If you are so dead set on stoning Geohotz, by all means, carry on. And see xxBURT0Nxx's post above this one. ;) You are/will be benefiting positively from this mess whether you like it or not.

jav6454 said:
I stopped reading here. Why? Because I have not used, and do not plan on using Limera1n as it is now. I will wait for the Dev Team to do their coding and testing and then release before I even touch the exploit.
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For the other folks who simply hit the last page... and you know... being egotistical that I am... here's me quoting my own reasoning for the eyes that might have missed it from jav6454's incomplete quoting. :p Abridged version: I defend neither Geohotz nor the CDT.

Claude626 said:
All those geohotz haters... please tell me you didn't and will not plan to use limera1n to jailbreak.

If you did, then you all have conveniently side swerved the one crucial point that is beneficial to the jailbreaking community: You got a jailbreak across ALL device NOW based on an exploit that is likely to be plugged in the near future. The jailbreak community now has an exploit for ONLY A4 devices saved. Thus allowing a ray of hope that it is still around in the future when A4 devices are still around while older devices dwindle and diminish. I don't care if SHAtter is also subject to being plugged. Exploits are far in between and the best course of action is to select the one with higher survivability and save it. In this case, also the user base made the exploit choice sensible: Lots of people are still on 3GS and 3G, so why not release an exploit that also supports them NOW rather than later when those numbers dwindle as they migrate to A4 devices?

I don't give half a rats ass whose ego is being stomped on or whose ego is being fed. Yea, I sound like an unappreciative ass for saying that, but what was their ultimate goal in their projects? That's right... for the benefit of the jailbreaking community. Ego was tossed in there and all sorts of arguments happened. I'm not defending Geohotz for his piss poor timing and egotastic actions. Neither am I defending CDT for their firm stand on burning SHAtter just to meet their ETA. Though, I will give CDT the benefit of the doubt that they certainly will be receiving a **** ton of hate tweets/mails/comments/posts about them slipping the date... so why not just blame it on Geohotz... like they're doing now? Assholish actions as it may be from Geohotz, his actions tied CDT's hands from releasing SHAtter.(reads... OUR benefit as an end user)

Bottom line: **** happens, but jailbreaking community benefits. What more do you want out of this mess?
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I don't understand why everyone is bashing Geohot. Take a step back and look at all of this. He's not doing it to please you or the CDT, or anyone else...just himself. So don't use it if you don't want to. I jailbroke with Limera1n today, and I have no issues at all.
 
Well said same here.
The dev team should have their tools up once they fix all bugs and issues. I rather use their programs than deal with any issues or 14 geohot betas.

jav6454 said:
I stopped reading here. Why? Because I have not used, and do not plan on using Limera1n as it is now. I will wait for the Dev Team to do their coding and testing and then release before I even touch the exploit.
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Claude626 said:
All those geohotz haters... please tell me you didn't and will not plan to use limera1n to jailbreak.
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You can count me on that group, I am not geting my phone or iPad or ATV close to Limera1n. I said it before and i'll say it again, he could just as simple as release the Exploit details on the wiki site and it would have the same effect without the need to a broken release. (He did it back when blackra1n was released and the Dev team was holding their released)
 
maturola said:
You can count me on that group, I am not geting my phone or iPad or ATV close to Limera1n. I said it before and i'll say it again, he could just as simple as release the Exploit details on the wiki site and it would have the same effect without the need to a broken release. (He did it back when blackra1n was released and the Dev team was holding their released)
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I think you guys fail to understand that you are using his limerain exploit regardless of which jb tool you use. If you guys all hate geohot so much don't even jb with gp because you are still using limerain, no way around it.

Hate geohot as a character all you want, hr did you all a favor. Someday when you are trying to jb your ip5 or new bootrom ip4 you will see why it was important yo save shatter. You guys can also continue to side with the cdt but realize they were the ones who would have ultimately screwed you in the end by releasing shatter had geohot nor released lr, you just don't see that now. Cdt are the ones who need to quit being babies and realize that yes they had a great exploit did all kinds of hard work developing a nice reliable tool but ultimately their exploit needs to be saved and geohots is much better to use. As soon as they stop whining they can get to implementing it in gp so others requiring an unlock can update and jb
 
So just to clarify - it's not possible to JB 4.1 if you have a mac right now, right? On my iphone 4 that is
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
I think you guys fail to understand that you are using his limerain exploit regardless of which jb tool you use. If you guys all hate geohot so much don't even jb with gp because you are still using limerain, no way around it.
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I personally don't failed to understand anything, It is a personal choice for me, I rather use the tested implementation of the GP than being an beta tester for a egocentric maniac. I am not argue that SHAtter need o be saved or that Limera1n is the correct exploit to do, I am against his broken released and the douchebag way he comes about it
 
maturola said:
I personally don't failed to understand anything, It is a personal choice for me, I rather use the tested implementation of the GP than being an beta tester for a egocentric maniac
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That's fine, so long as you understand you are still using that egocentric maniacs jailbreak.
 
Wait can I just use my friend's laptop? Or do I need to have consistent access to a PC in order to maintain the jailbreak?


EDIT: And how long would I need to borrow the laptop for?
 
maturola said:
I using what he found not his implementations of it, I am also avoiding using Comex good works without his authorization
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The jb exploit and implementation are going to be the same just different tools you can use to actually do the jb process. I see you guys are upset about all of this but he had to release a buggy limerain to stop cdt from exposing shatter. So no I'm not wrong idc if you use gp or lr you are using the same exploit and jailbreak just using a different tool to do the jb. If you don't understand that go research more about jb before posting anything else.

And on twitter comex gave his blessings so don't worry you won't hurt his feelings. He obviously gave the exploit and code to geohot anyways.

And to the other guy no you don't need constant access to maintain the jb you would need the pc for probably less than an hour, depends how long it takes you yo jb it but then you will not need it anymore.
 
Looking at the bigger picture here... There's now a jailbreak available for 4.1, it works, who cares what it uses or where it came from as long as the relevant people have credit and it functions? Geohot is a very clever chap who it seems gets kicks from publicly demonstrating his knowledge, who are we to judge?

The DevTeam know what they are doing and have the interests of the JB community at heart, Geohot is just having fun it seems and since when was that not allowed?

At the end of the day, knowledge is power!
 
jav6454 said:
How wrong you are...
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maturola said:
I using what he found not his implementations of it, I am also avoiding using Comex good works without his authorization
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*sigh* Why are people so stubborn? Keep an open mind. You are still using Geohot's work whether you choose greenpois0n or limera1n. All CDT is going to do is remove SHAtter in greepois0n, substitute Limera1n's innards instead and release it. Maybe test and refine it before release. It's the same _______(insert word here) exploit, just tested and optimized. Bottom line, you are still benefitting from Geohot's work. Hate him all you want, but he is a genius (loose use of the word) and more intelligent than most if not all of us. Most of the time, people hate the ones who are better than them.

I don't think either CDT or Geohot are 100% in the right. Both of them made mistakes somewhere in this whole mess and put their ego where it shouldn't be. But ultimately, Geohot's actions benefitted the entire jailbreak community. Yes, he could of done better. Yes, he was a bit arrogant and what not. But his actions benefit you more than CDT's. Why do you complain? You end up with a jailbreak solution that works for ALL (stress this word) devices except iPhone 3G*, original iPhone and iPod touch 1G. TV is a moot point since NONE of us can do anything with it, jailbroken or not. Only developers can do stuff like write an app launcher, write apps, etc. Most of us can't. Furthermore, limera1n should work on TV but no one tested to confirm.

If you refuse to use limera1n simply because you hate Geohot, you are letting your ego get ahead of you. But if that's what you want to do, ignorance is bliss. Not for me personally, I think the truth is the best, but hey whatever floats your boat.

*iPhone 3G can be jailbroken with Redsn0w I think.
 
The dev team is not the same as the chronic dev team and the dev team is not releasing greenpoison. This misconception needs to stop. The dev team is not releasing the greenpoison jailbreak tool.
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
The dev team is not the same as the chronic dev team and the dev team is not releasing greenpoison. This misconception needs to stop. The dev team is not releasing the greenpoison jailbreak tool.
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Where is The iPhone Dev Team anyways? Did they die out or something? I haven't heard from since the iPhone 3G/3GS jailbreaking days.
 
SnowLeopard2008 said:
Where is The iPhone Dev Team anyways? Did they die out or something? I haven't heard from since the iPhone 3G/3GS jailbreaking days.
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They are still around and assisted the cdt with this jb. Comex came up with a userland exploit to keep the jb untethered.
 
SnowLeopard2008 said:
Where is The iPhone Dev Team anyways? Did they die out or something? I haven't heard from since the iPhone 3G/3GS jailbreaking days.
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Um...a couple of months ago they released an unlock that unlocks every version of the baseband since 04.26.08 on all iPhones. They've also been regularly releasing updated versions of redsn0w to jailbreak the 3G on 4.x and PwnageTool to allow upgrading the 3G and old-bootrom 3GS while preserving jailbreak and unlock. For the past several weeks they've been working on creating an updated version of PwnageTool using the SHAtter exploit which will work on the iPhone 4 (this will now be modified to use the limera1n exploit). They're very much in the game.

They also had a large part in the Star/Jailbreakme jailbreak (comex is a Dev-Team member, after all), they just didn't release it as a team because comex wanted to accept donations and they have a policy against doing so. Several members have also been working with Chronic Dev on greenp0ison.
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
They are still around and assisted the cdt with this jb. Comex came up with a userland exploit to keep the jb untethered.
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thelatinist said:
Um...a couple of months ago they released an unlock that unlocks every version of the baseband since 04.26.08 on all iPhones. They've also been regularly releasing updated versions of redsn0w to jailbreak the 3G on 4.x and PwnageTool to allow upgrading the 3G and old-bootrom 3GS while preserving jailbreak and unlock. For the past several weeks they've been working on creating an updated version of PwnageTool using the SHAtter exploit which will work on the iPhone 4 (this will now be modified to use the limera1n exploit). They're very much in the game.

They also had a large part in the Star/Jailbreakme jailbreak (comex is a Dev-Team member, after all), they just didn't release it as a team because comex wanted to accept donations and they have a policy against doing so. Several members have also been working with Chronic Dev on greenp0ison.
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Thanks to both of you for clarifying that. I haven't been following the jailbreak community until my recent iPhone 4 purchase.
 
Claude626 said:
It's quite a shame when someone refuses to even give a logical reasoning a chance. If you are so dead set on stoning Geohotz, by all means, carry on. And see xxBURT0Nxx's post above this one. ;) You are/will be benefiting positively from this mess whether you like it or not.
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I honestly can't say that I'm benefiting positively. In fact, it's far more likely that I've been negatively affected. I could have had a stable jailbreak for my device today, but now we have to wait for either geohot to fix the remaining bugs in his code or for the exploit to be worked into greenpois0n. Sure, that's a selfish read of the situation, but claiming his actions did me any favors is outright false.

I think his exploit was the correct one to use at this point in time, and it looks like it all worked out OK in the end. You can be sure geohot didn't make any friends for the way he handled it, though.
 
I think that geohot definitely could have handled this whole situation with a little more class, but...

Seriously, the chronic dev team aren't ANY more reputable in my book than geohot.

chronic-dev != iphone-dev

Just a couple days ago @chronicdevteam were talking about how they were planning on blocking installous with greenpois0n until MuscleNerd and others chimed in about how thats literally impossible to do.

So the chronic dev team, days away from a jailbreak release, were under the impression they could magically block things.

root is root, and there is nothing they could do even if they wanted. Now I didn't go on this rant because I like installous, I'm just trying to illustrate that the people at chronic-dev aren't exactly geniuses. They don't seem to have their act together in any form, and IMHO geohot pwned them this week and he did it SINGLE HANDEDLY.


I'm enjoying limera1n without any problems and I feel that my phone is running just a tad bit smoother than it did on Star.

I understand the geohot hate in the community right now because what he did was kind of bratty, but at the same time I don't think that the chronic-dev team are a particularly great group of devs. If they didn't have support from iphone-dev people they would be nothing.
 
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