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... While Apple's R&D process obviously has it's strong points, it is in my opinion, deeply flawed timewise.

You have got to be kidding? Apple is not perfect but they are still better at keeping the updates going and the innovation going better than ANYONE right now! My goodness... why else is everyone trying to copy the MacBooks, the iMac, and iPhone and the iPods? Oh... and OSX 10.4. Think about it... MS does not even make the Zune and they took over a year to copy the iPod nano. 5 years for the Vista abortion and yet when Apple completely revamps every product (new processors, hardware and software) within two years and introduces revolutionary new products like the iPhone we want to complain 6 months is too long for a major update to the iPhone.... Does that make sense???

UGH!
 
Doubtful it will stay open. Google already said they were expecting companies to lock down the OS and put their own flavor or spin on it. It'll still be up to the carrier to manage. Look at Symbian, "The open mobile operating system." It's just another OS that developers have to write applications on. Android = lame, but only because it won't stay open. Carriers are greedy and want to nickel & dime you.

You need to look at the bigger picture. Outside of the United States people purchase their phones on their own and not through a carrier. Unless they are buying an expensive phone and it's being subsidised. So to say that Android will be crippled by carriers is a bit of a stretch, perhaps in the United States due to the structure of your cellular industry. However when Android comes to Europe and is on cheap cellular phones that people can afford it will be quite open, same applies to Asia.

Android, although perhaps announced prematurely can become a really big thing IMO.
 
I think it's progressive that the device does NOT have an FM transmitter. What a total, pointless waste of space. I got an iPod so I wouldn't have to listen to the radio anymore...

I agree, I can't even listen to FM anymore, lousy audio quality, too many commercials and someone else's idea of what a playlist should be. Please Apple, no FM in the iPod. Get the Belkin adapter if you are desperate for bad audio.
 
You need to look at the bigger picture. Outside of the United States people purchase their phones on their own and not through a carrier. Unless they are buying an expensive phone and it's being subsidised. So to say that Android will be crippled by carriers is a bit of a stretch, perhaps in the United States due to the structure of your cellular industry. However when Android comes to Europe and is on cheap cellular phones that people can afford it will be quite open, same applies to Asia.

Android, although perhaps announced prematurely can become a really big thing IMO.

I don't care about anywhere else. I just care about the US. :)
 
3rd party apps?

geez. i'm still hoping to surf and play music for more than 5 secs without crashing. :(

You need to restore your iPhone. That never happens to me. 1.1.2

As for all the whining about getting screwed over by Apple. Firmware 2.x might change that. Potentially there's a lot could come of that.

I give em another 6 months before I start crowing like some of you lot. I agree the iPhone could be more but blimey there's some serious impatience going on on these forums. It's a phone/data device, don't expect a cure for cancer.

So what's the bets that Google's Android Java platform, Dalvik, comes to iPhone?
 
The iPhone has multi-touch. That is it! Nothing else does it do is better than any body else, or does it have that others do. My Treo had more features than the iPhone, and the Treo was four years old. My WM5 had more features than the iPhone, and that was MS for pete's sake. The iPhone was an impressive device when it came out 6 months ago. Now, not so much. They haven't done anything new to the phone since it's release. iTunes doesn't count, they didn't add that new, they just didn't finish it to begin with.

Granted the iPhone is still a slick device and I wouldn't change it for anything on the market currently, but unless they come up with third party app support, or start writing their own, I won't be using iPhone in the future.

P6
 
You may be in the majority, but a significant minority of people want radio, and it would hardly cost Apple anything to put one in...

For the Significant Minority:

http://www.apple.com/ipod/accessories/
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http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/itripdock
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:D
 
I agree, I can't even listen to FM anymore, lousy audio quality, too many commercials and someone else's idea of what a playlist should be. Please Apple, no FM in the iPod. Get the Belkin adapter if you are desperate for bad audio.

I'd like an AM/FM tuner for morning talk radio. You know, for those long bus rides to work in the morning when I'm not in the mood for music. *shrugs* I don't think anyone listens to radio for music anymore, unless for wallpaper music purposes.
 
Doubtful it will stay open. Google already said they were expecting companies to lock down the OS and put their own flavor or spin on it..

How can it be covered by the GPL and not remain open?

I think what will happen is the core of the phone will be open source but companies will write closed source application that run on the phone. Kind of like running Oracle on Linux. This means companies can make their product better or at least different by adding their own custom applications (like visual voice mail) but users can also still make changes.
 
I think it's progressive that the device does NOT have an FM transmitter. What a total, pointless waste of space. I got an iPod so I wouldn't have to listen to the radio anymore...

Transmitter doesn't equal receiver.

Anyway - who on earth needs an FM receiver or a transmitter for that matter? Live streaming or any media streaming would be great - over EDGE - kinda lame, WiFi or maybe UMTS in the future (future of iPhone of course). Satellite radio - why not.
Integrating mediocre quality audio such as FM radio is pretty much passe as the 50 y.o. technology itself.
That is not to say that I approve of the 128kbps AAC audio on iTunes, but it's mainly based on the average listener to say whether he really notices a difference.
FM receivers/transmitter are useful from time to time, but in everyday circumstances are useless for most and only add a another chip that needs power and space in the device itself.

Back to the article - bring on the SDK! Officialy let the greedy mitts of developers ;) have their way with the iPhone shortcomings!!!
 
...they added iTunes WIFI store and various other requested features to existing iPhone applications.

Oh ya.... like, landscape keyboard all around, copy paste, video recording, audio recording, mass text, text forwarding, mms, disk use, gps, search, voice control, Ooooh WAIT... NO THEY HAVEN\\\'T!!!! What requested features have they added???
 

AMEN... A radio is the LAST ***** thing in the entire world I would ever want in my iPod. The reason I NEVER listen to the radio is because I have an iPod lol. Some people are amazing...
 
I think it's progressive that the device does NOT have an FM transmitter. What a total, pointless waste of space. I got an iPod so I wouldn't have to listen to the radio anymore...

FM transmitter, not receiver. He wants to be able to broadcast to a nearby radio receiver without having to add a 3rd-party add-on. However, Apple specifically designed the iPod to be extensible by 3rd-party add-ons, so there's no motivation for every feature to be native. Just buy what you want and plug it in.
 
How can it be covered by the GPL and not remain open?

I think what will happen is the core of the phone will be open source but companies will write closed source application that run on the phone. Kind of like running Oracle on Linux. This means companies can make their product better or at least different by adding their own custom applications (like visual voice mail) but users can also still make changes.

Android isn't under GPL license. Google chose Apache Software License.
 
Android already has several steps up on Apple.

I think Android on cell phones will be as popular as Linux on the desktop. There will certainly be people using it (lots of geeks I'm sure), and there will be lots of applications (the vast majority of them crappy or missing the final 10% needed to make them feel professional), but in the end, if you want a finished, polished, and complete solution, Apple will be your source.
 
You need to look at the bigger picture. Outside of the United States people purchase their phones on their own and not through a carrier. Unless they are buying an expensive phone and it's being subsidised. So to say that Android will be crippled by carriers is a bit of a stretch, perhaps in the United States due to the structure of your cellular industry. However when Android comes to Europe and is on cheap cellular phones that people can afford it will be quite open, same applies to Asia.
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This is not entirely true. People CAN purchase their phones unlocked without a carrier, but the majority purchase their phones subsidized through a carrier, just like in the US. That's why €1 phones are so popular. :)
 
I think Android on cell phones will be as popular as Linux on the desktop. There will certainly be people using it (lots of geeks I'm sure), and there will be lots of applications (the vast majority of them crappy or missing the final 10% needed to make them feel professional), but in the end, if you want a finished, polished, and complete solution, Apple will be your source.
I agree, Android will be great fun for young computer hobbyists, but the serious user who wants his iPhone to accomplish work tasks with ease and security will never take a look at Android, they have better things to do than fiddle with their phone. But Android will appeal to that large tinkering demo.
 
but unless they come up with third party app support, or start writing their own, I won't be using iPhone in the future.

Yep. I am waiting for the SDK before I buy my iPhone (scheduled for February, but I bet it will be released at MacWorld in January!). A good quality SDK, coupled with a good quality development environment (i.e., Xcode), should completely transform the iPhone.

By the end of June (i.e., the one year anniversary, and still ahead of Android phones being available), because of fully supported 3rd party apps, the iPhone will be complete different than it is today.
 
Notes & To-Do's

Am I the only one that is still overly-anxious for Notes and To-do syncing?

This seems like such a basic feature, and in fact, Joswiak seems to mention it:

"That’s what I mean about being focused on what your primary use is. All along, from the early days, we gave the iPod other great things that it could do. We gave it calendars, to-dos and contacts and things of that sort. We have been relentless in the innovation we’ve brought to the stage, and every year coming up with something that seems to be a big hit for that holiday, and blowing people away."

When can we expect this function??
 
I like how Apple's delivering an SDK and digital signatures. There are a lot of really good 3rd party apps/developers, but a lot of malware writers, too. The signatures will help w/ that. I'd like to see what would happen this way & if Apple used Google's Android software, too. Some other stuff I'd like to see are:
-AM/FM radio
-3G
-Higher megapixel camera w/ flash
-Ability to shoot video w/ audio
 
My father can site two reasons he hasn't even considered owning an iPod:

1. no radio (for listening to baseball games)
He says that if he's going to pay a premium for an iPod, he shouldn't have to pay MORE for a radio attachment - there's lots of cheap mp3 players with good quality audio that also give him a radio

2. No automatic podcast syncing
He wants to plug in his iPod before he goes to bed, download his New York Times podcast from Audible in the morning (it comes around 4am I think) and have it automatically sync with his iPod so he can just grab it as he walks out the door in the morning - without having to remember to go and have it sync, and then have to wait. His current player does that - no hassle. It's also the problem he has with the Apple TV - why can't his downloaded shows be automatically added to his Apple TV? If he's already paid for the subscription, why should he have to go through his computer at all - it should just be there on his Apple TV when he wants it.

I'm sure my dad's not alone - the only times I miss having a radio on my iPod are when I'm at the gym and I want to tune in to what they're playing on the TV. With current technology, radios can't be that big or cheap - so what's the problem?

Also, regarding #2, I don't why that functionality isn't already built in. It doesn't seem that complicated.

I agree that if Apple is already thinking about the future, why aren't they taking care of some of the current, simple shortcomings of their products?
 
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