Haha. Yeah, I was wondering when someone was gonna pick him up on that generations BS. Apple may be innovative and think 3 UIs ahead, but they'll be darned if they'll throw in a feature that's pretty much standard everywhere else until they absolutely have to. That's like B&O boasting about how ahead of the curve they are in the home cinema market, when they're still deciding whether or not to support DTS decoding...
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Haha. Yeah, I was wondering when someone was gonna pick him up on that generations BS. Apple may be innovative and think 3 UIs ahead, but they'll be darned if they'll throw in a feature that's pretty much standard everywhere else until they absolutely have to. That's like B&O boasting about how ahead of the curve they are in the home cinema market, when they're still deciding whether or not to support DTS decoding...
WTF!?!? Are you serious?!?
Ask youself, how easily can you do these common work tasks:-write notes and sync them with your work computer
-manage your corporate e-mail
-add tasks and sync them with your work computer
-open Word/Excel/PhotoShop/etc. email attachements and edit them
-copy & paste (only the most commonly used operation on desktop computers)
-send mail with attachements (other than pictures)
-find contacts that work for company X from the address book
-send & receive vCards
-work as a modem for your laptop
-guide you on your business trip from A to B while you are driving yourself. (Google Maps is not navigator)
-print directly from the phone over network
-fax from the phone (yeah... this still exists)
-sync everything remotely
And how about that security part? The iPhone is very likely to be stolen from your hands. I have seen many post about this at various mobile phone forums. What if it gets stolen or you lost it?
-was the top secret corporate data encrypted?
-can it be encrypted remotely?
-is there PGP support?
-can you make a backup image of all the files on your phone and send it to some server? (can this be automated?)
-is there the ability to remotely lock and disable the device? (with SMS)
-is there the ability to remotely erase data?
-is there S/MIME support?
-can the phone be traced with SMS (discreet GPS coord. reply message)
I'm sure that I forgot many important security and business aspects...
Could we just agree that the iPhone is nice fashion/media phone, but sucks as business device.
This sounds great.. one or even TWO generations ahead. Oooh i cant wait
that's my thoughts also, but we'll see.
Google never said anything about "expecting companies/carriers to lock down the OS". And Symbian is NOT AN OPEN SYSTEM either.
Android = too early to tell. You = lame for dismissing something that hasn't even seen it's infancy yet.
hmm... Though I don't care for/use that feature because of it's limited quality, he's talking about an FM transmitter, keyword: TRANSMITTER.
I don't care about anywhere else. I just care about the US.
oh god.. let me guess... another "freedom lover" and supporter of that assnut in the whitehouse...
You should travel outside the United States. or at least try to make it out of the "heartland".
Polished, yes. "Finished" and "complete"? I would STRONGLY disagree with that statement if referring to the iPhone.
On your other point about linux/OSS, I would partially agree, except that the OSS community has become alot more organized, and interface designers and other artists are now part of the picture. Apple, linux, or windows, ALOT more open source stuff is coming out polished and looking decent.
I sense a "gifted one" among us...
Whoah. I think you have a great career waiting for you in securities speculation and/or Mrs Cleo's psychic line. Does that supreme knowledge find it's roots in clairvoyance or is it just the result of an unhealthy fanaticism with a computer company?
A "serious" user will wait until a new product IS ACTUALLY IN PRODUCTION before reviewing it.
Whoah. I think you have a great career waiting for you in securities speculation and/or Mrs Cleo's psychic line. Does that supreme knowledge find it's roots in clairvoyance or is it just the result of an unhealthy fanaticism with a computer company?
A "serious" user will wait until a new product IS ACTUALLY IN PRODUCTION before reviewing it.
This is not entirely true. People CAN purchase their phones unlocked without a carrier, but the majority purchase their phones subsidized through a carrier, just like in the US. That's why 1 phones are so popular.
not true. vast majority of the mobile users around world are on PAYG basis, not subscribers.
Huh, what he said about Apple being generations ahead is IMHO too cocky and plain wrong too. Phones you can buy for under 100 eur (unlocked and everything) have MMS and UTMS support. I think that's the reason the iPhone hasn't been too popular in Europe, 3G is much more widespread while less and less people use edge. A multitouch interface might be pretty cool and innovative, but that doesn't mean they can let out standard features everyone has gotten used to already.
1. The iPhone has only been out in Europe for 3 weeks. Whether it's popular or not is too early to tell. Clearly there isn't the buying frenzy that there was in the US, but in all honesty, it was the exact same situation for the iPod in Europe. It was slow to be adopted in europe too, but now it's the number 1 player on the market.
2. I doubt very seriously that the lack of MMS and UMTS - 2 features that are statistically shown to be of little interest to many cell phone users, even after years of cell phone provider propaganda - is the reason why the iPhone is not as well received in Europe the high price plus vendor has proven to be the dealbreaker for many, not the feature set.
3. I love it how many people assume that since the iPhone doesn't have many features NOW (I personally find the fact that you can't send an SMS to multiple numbers a totally dumb oversight on Apple's part) somehow means that those features won't be included EVER, and that's clearly not the case. That's the beauty of the iPhone model: it can all be added via a software update, and the update procedure is quick and painless.
i too find it embarrassing to talk about being generations ahead when they can't even match some of the features which 1 euro phones with the cheapest contract available have since years
I agree. I think the iPhone looks really cool and the multi-touch stuff is great, but there's too much that the iPhone could easily do that it doesn't, and that's just silly.
If the future is 2G, not being able to use your own music as ringtones, no flash websites, being forced into using one network carrier if you like a certain make of phone etc etc I'll stay in the present for now thanks!
Damn... I want FM. I even want AM, so I can listen to game plays while watching a game at the stadium.
Sony dude, but everybody think you.
Well I think in the UK it's the other way around. A quick office poll of over 20 people showed only myself and two others have contracts - the rest are all on Pay as You Go - same in my family (15 people) - I'm the only one on a contract there. Most people I know only seem to spend £10-20 or so a month on their mobile phone - even the ones on £40K+ a year so a contract will rarely be worth it to them.
I imagine more phones are sold via subscription as the people I know on contracts (like myself) upgrade every year to a free (or practically free) new handset - whereas the PAYG lot use their same phones for years.
you realize that in germany about 36m mobile phones are sold compared to the 1.1b sold worldwide? so you're making your conclusion based on 3% sample that is not even very representative...
For FM transmitters:
There are legal issues if such a device is sold internationally. In Germany this has been illegal for a long time, some months ago it was legalized, but the allowed transmission power is so low that it is barely usable (even the distance from the passenger seat to the car radio is a problem). The FM band is also very crowded here, when you drive 50 km in the car its often impossible to find a channel that is free all the way.
In many other countries such devices are still completely illegal.
Building A2DP into the car radio (or a simple line in jack) is a better solution in most cases.
Christian
There are legal issues if such a device is sold internationally. In Germany this has been illegal for a long time, some months ago it was legalized, but the allowed transmission power is so low that it is barely usable (even the distance from the passenger seat to the car radio is a problem). The FM band is also very crowded here, when you drive 50 km in the car its often impossible to find a channel that is free all the way.
In many other countries such devices are still completely illegal.
Building A2DP into the car radio (or a simple line in jack) is a better solution in most cases.
Christian
For the Significant Minority:
http://www.apple.com/ipod/accessories/
http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/itripdock
For people interested in the receiving side, Apple's official iPod Radio Tuner / Remote adaptor isn't compatible with the iPod Touch. When you plug it in, you get a dialogue box displaying a warning to that effect.
For people interested in the transmitting side, though, I see no reason why the 3rd party radio transmitters would cease to work, since they're just tying into the Line Out pins which are known to be unchanged.