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A few weeks ago, Apple's Group FaceTime was discovered to have a major security flaw which potentially allowed users to listen in on others without their permission. The flaw was quickly publicized forcing Apple to shut down FaceTime servers temporarily while a patch was being created. A week later, Apple released iOS 12.1.4 which addressed the security issue and re-enabled Group FaceTime for those users.

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Unfortunately, Group FaceTime even under iOS 12.1.4 hasn't quite been restored to its former functionality. A MacRumors forum thread started the day after 12.1.4's release revealed users who found themselves unable to add more users to a FaceTime call. As it turns out, it appears that users are no longer able to add a person to a one-on-one FaceTime call. The "Add Person" button remains greyed out and inactive in this situation. The only way to add another person to a Group FaceTime call at this time is to start the call with at least two other people. This slight distinction appears to be the source of confusion for many users.

MacRumors forum user Bob-K persisted in his support calls with Apple, and was finally told that the "Add Person" button not working in that situation was a known issue and that they didn't know when it would be fixed.

Apple Support on Twitter also appears to be aware of this restriction:
That's good. Also, note that Group FaceTime calls need to be started with at least two additional users in the FaceTime app. Meet us in DM if you're still having an issue with more users: https://t.co/GDrqU22YpT - Apple Support (@AppleSupport) February 15, 2019

We were able to reproduce this issue, but it appears this workaround isn't entirely reliable as one user reported being unable to consistently add people even during a group call. A search of Twitter shows a number of users who believe that Group FaceTime remains disabled, though some users may simply be unaware of the iOS 12.1.4 update, or may be confused by the greyed "Add Person" button issue.

Apple is actively working on iOS 12.2 Beta which has not yet seen the addition of the patch for Group FaceTime, but we'd expect them to address the ongoing bugs in a later 12.2 beta release.

Article Link: Group FaceTime Still Partly Broken After Security Update, Apple Aware
 

apolloa

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Well I do hope by 'broken' they don't mean someone can spy on you still.. kinda a sad joke with Apple on this one, they had long enough to test it properly and reading comments they seems to have been warned of it's bugs. I'd advise them to just remove it entirely until they get it working properly, but Apple doesn't do that these days..
 

btimlake

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That's the price people are paying for an overblown "security" flaw: a set of circumstances so rare they would be almost impossible to achieve deliberately and, once known, can easily be defeated. Now other people are paying the price by not being able to use a feature they rely on. I don't blame Apple for CYA, but I do blame the hew and cry and clutching of pearls by Twitter commenters and the tech press. Save the outrage for something important, or it becomes even more meaningless.
 
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stevan w

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I found a couple bugs in FaceTime despite update. I won’t say exactly how they work though since I’ve sent in the bug reports.

One allows a way to auto answer FaceTime call

Another permits the FaceTime call to constantly dial and never hang up.
 
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ColdShadow

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why people need face time? Its limited to iPhone users anyway,and there are better apps that does the same securely and more reliably + they do much more.such as WhatsApp.
 
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That's the price people are paying for an overblown "security" flaw: a set of circumstances so rare they would be almost impossible to achieve deliberately and, once known, can easily be defeated. Now other people are paying the price by not being able to use a feature they rely on. I don't blame Apple for CYA, but I do blame the hew and cry and clutching of pearls by Twitter commenters and the tech press. Save the outrage for something important, or it becomes even more meaningless.

You really didn’t get the problem, did you?

A feature, enabled on most iOS devices, enabled a caller to spy on the users audio and when they denied the call enabled video instead. Easily defeated? The user, yes. The problem? Only by disabling Facetime altogether.

I blame people like you for playing down things to a degree that made Apple continue its ignorant security and quality approach for the last few years.
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Maybe they need more help. It sounds like you have some technical skills that they need. I’m sure they would be happy to bring you on board.

Hm, maybe they need more help with their HR. It seems you have skills they need.

I’m sure your easy-going attitude towards their technical problems is a plus.
 

I7guy

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Does anyone even use this? Probably not, so therefore I deem it irrelevant.
Ah, the I don't use it and therefore it's irrelevant line.;) (yes, I know the word "anyone" was used, but my family uses group f/t)
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Software development takes how long it takes. There's no way for us to know how difficult a problem this was to solve, and it may have come with some regression risks. Bottom-line: we can't judge, unless we're on their development team.
That is a fallacy. Just read some of the comments in the thread.
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I blame people like you for playing down things to a degree that made Apple continue its ignorant security and quality approach for the last few years...
Really. This post is not grounded in any reality. Apple has been on a tear since IOS 10, fixing (some of them major, zero day) vulnerabilities. If you are not happy with the way Apple is handling things, then there are many alternative vendors.

But let's not believe anybody has the ultimate say over what opinion someone else should hold.
 
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