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This OS merger has been building up… with iChat becoming Messages, and iPhone into Photos, etc etc. This seems like a natural connection and will benefit some developers to have a single-purchase and run on Macs and iOS devices. BUT… Apple better address Tim's recent statement that no one wants a single OS for computer and mobile, referring to Surface and Windows "touch" .
 
Am I the only one that doesn’t see how this can work? I don’t understand - you would have to implement so much UI and logic for each platform that apps will become bloated, no? You can’t simply scale apps for iPhone/iPad to Mac size, they wouldn’t look right. Not to mention touch vs. cursor input are used totally differently. Similarly, while the idea of layered pages swiping back/forth works for iOS, I don’t think it does for Mac.

So...because it’s a difficult problem to solve, that means it can’t be solved?

Sounds to me like the sort of thing that is ripe for innovative thinking. Because that’s what innovation actually is. Problem solving with clever solutions. This is exactly the sort of challenge the Mac has needed to get some creative problem solving flowing in the macOS team.
 
So...because it’s a difficult problem to solve, that means it can’t be solved?

Sounds to me like the sort of thing that is ripe for innovative thinking. Because that’s what innovation actually is. Problem solving with clever solutions. This is exactly the sort of challenge the Mac has needed to get some creative problem solving flowing in the macOS team.
Except that there is no macOS team anymore (only ad-hoc redressed teams that either do some macOS work, and then some iOS work)
Currently, that lack of core competencies/product specialists coincides with many of either platform‘s quality problems in the Cook era.
If Launchpad and Siri for macOS are amongst the “creative problem solving” that you mention, I’d consider that as solutions waiting for a problem. “Inspired” by some Board-level pipedream to bring iOS profitability into macOS, or a Cookette panacea to save a starving (mismanaged) Mac Appstore.
I can’t think of any iOS functionality to enrich Mac users (beyond what iDevices already bring) other than touch - which is exactly what Apple does not want.
Most iOS apps are an insult to Mac users both in terms of functionality and UX.
 
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Am I the only one that doesn’t see how this can work? I don’t understand - you would have to implement so much UI and logic for each platform that apps will become bloated, no? You can’t simply scale apps for iPhone/iPad to Mac size, they wouldn’t look right. Not to mention touch vs. cursor input are used totally differently. Similarly, while the idea of layered pages swiping back/forth works for iOS, I don’t think it does for Mac.

macOS and iOS already have on-demand loading of app resources (I forget what this is called). So essentially, they'd refactor the cores of both operating systems into one core that is common across both, and then anything unique to a platform would be downloaded as needed. They already have many common frameworks across both operating systems, but I imagine these have deviated over time. With rumours that Macs will eventually run on ARM chips, it brings Macs closer to iOS devices, and therefore the frameworks could also be nearly or virtually identical.
 
This seems like a desperate attempt to salvage the App Store and force Mac OS developers to toe the line. Face it, 90% of apps on both sides are crap, and the successful devs resent paying Apple's tax while the rest of pack pays nothing.
 
If this is true the real purpose is to make sure that you install their latest OS on all devices and platforms, no more people running iOS11 on their phones and running older versions of macOS on their desktops/laptops, they need to end that and make sure they are able to monetize as much users as possible. Do you really think Apples cares about performance and stability on last year devices? no. Just update and buy the new thing.
 
I don’t understand what they’ve been doing with mac os lately. Ever since yosemite, the updates have been very minor, almost indistinguishably minute. Maybe it has to do with the fact that they no longer charge for updates. But macOS still has plenty to improve upon. Wasn’t High Sierra supposed to be a bug fixing/performance update? Im sorry but all of these bug fixing and performance updates never actually affect the user experience for the majority of users. The system never gets more stable. I really don’t understand what people are talking about when they say these versions of ios and macos are incredibly buggy. I use my devices a lot. I’m a power user. I dont encounter many bugs at al.. i feel as if this is an issue that is very over represented—a generality. I would much rather have a new exciting system that shames things up— even if there are a few bugs—then get anither half assed stability bug fix update that changes and fixes jack ****.
 
It seems like we’re getting iOS 11.5 instead of iOS 12 in the Fall. I mean, they will still find a way to introduce more emojis this summer, though. lol. iOS 12 seems like behind the scene fixes. I mean, that’s cool and all, but...I guess we will find out in nearly 30 days or so.
 
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There's an additional layer here that I wonder about. Remember the WWDC invite. That graphic made sense to me, expecting the not-Marzipan project to be introduced, but if that's not coming, what does the graphic mean? Is it an ARKit UI? If Apple were to be thinking of an ARKit UI layer, this would certainly be a great time for them to sit back and say, "You know what? We need to find a way to abstract the UI elements better." Just a thought.
 
It seems like we’re getting iOS 11.5 instead of iOS 12 in the Fall. I mean, they will still find a way to introduce more emojis this summer, though. lol. iOS 12 seems like behind the scene fixes. I mean, that’s cool and all, but...I guess we will find out in nearly 30 days or so.
In my book, we might as well be on ios 8 or 9 in terms of fundamental updates.
 
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There's an additional layer here that I wonder about. Remember the WWDC invite. That graphic made sense to me, expecting the not-Marzipan project to be introduced, but if that's not coming, what does the graphic mean? Is it an ARKit UI? If Apple were to be thinking of an ARKit UI layer, this would certainly be a great time for them to sit back and say, "You know what? We need to find a way to abstract the UI elements better." Just a thought.
This is typical of the Cookette thinking process. Strategies are being imposed to serve commercial interests, with product milking in mind.
When backchecked at product engineering, timepaths have to be temporised because they aren't feasible.
Lots of compensation while the pipeline feels so empty, currently.
Hence the tension around secrecy. Rumors have become an enemy instead of a marketing tool...
 
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Honestly the whole thing seems useless to me anyways. Of course I've little reason to use MacOS any longer. They would have to release compelling Macs for that. It's starting to look like I bought my last one a couple years ago.
 
Honestly the whole thing seems useless to me anyways. Of course I've little reason to use MacOS any longer. They would have to release compelling Macs for that. It's starting to look like I bought my last one a couple years ago.
The iPad is eventually going to replace MBA's or vice versa.
 



Rumored cross-platform functionality that will allow Macs to run iPhone and iPad apps is planned for macOS 10.15 and iOS 13 rather than macOS 10.14 and iOS 12, according to well-known Apple journalist John Gruber.

Gruber shared the tidbit in a blog post covering "scuttlebutt" he's heard about the cross-platform UI project, which he says is indeed in the works at Apple.

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News of support for universal apps able to run on iPhone, iPad, and Mac was first shared by Bloomberg's Mark Gurman in December. At the time, Gurman said Apple would introduce the functionality in iOS 12 and macOS 10.14, with an announcement likely to happen at the Worldwide Developer's Conference in June.

Gurman and Axios' Ina Fried later confirmed in January that the combined app framework was on the table for 2018 despite other planned iOS 12 and macOS 10.14 features being pushed back, but Gruber says he's "nearly certain" it's a 2019 project for macOS 10.15 and iOS 13, which could also be part of an updated UI for iOS said to be coming next year. "I would set your expectations accordingly for this year's WWDC," he writes.

According to Gruber, from what he's heard through first and second-hand sources, Apple appears to be working on declarative control APIs for iOS and macOS, which suggests Apple wants to make it easy for developers to create modern cross-platform user interfaces. Gruber's info is not as definitive as outright support for cross-platform iOS and macOS apps as has been previously reported, but it is an indication that Apple is working towards that goal. It's not clear who is correct on the timing of the universal app project given the conflicting information, but we don't have long to wait to find out. macOS 10.14 and iOS 12 will be introduced at the keynote event of the Worldwide Developers Conference, which is set to take place on June 4.

Gruber's full writeup with additional details on the project can be found over at Daring Fireball.

Article Link: Gruber: Apple's Cross-Platform App Support to Debut in 2019, Not 2018


Um it's this what Universal Apps really is? Apple is just going to allow macOS binaries to co-exist in compiling iOS apps? This really doesn't seem like tangibly interesting news.

Let's get macOS really powerful again and not just focus on UI goodies. Like Mail needs a serious overhaul!!
 
Am I the only one that doesn’t see how this can work? I don’t understand - you would have to implement so much UI and logic for each platform that apps will become bloated, no? You can’t simply scale apps for iPhone/iPad to Mac size, they wouldn’t look right. Not to mention touch vs. cursor input are used totally differently. Similarly, while the idea of layered pages swiping back/forth works for iOS, I don’t think it does for Mac.
I was thinking the same thing. As a developer, I hate just having to use the simulator to test input on my apps. Now these are not very advanced apps mind you, and I still loathe having to replicate gestures and touch input with a trackpad.

That being said, Apple wouldn’t roll out something like this without getting it perfect. Also, I foresee iPhone apps running at their native resolution in the form of menu bar drop downs or dock icon pop-ups. Maybe Apple will try and breathe some life back into the touch bar as well for MacBook Pro to assist in navigating the ported iOS experience. I’m sure it’ll be needing some rejuvenation by that point :rolleyes:
 
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Gurman has sources but he’s not very good at interpreting what things mean or connecting the right dots. He thought Marzipan meant one OS. Gruber and others were always skeptical.
That hack Gruber also said Apple Watch 3 would get a re-design. He is often wrong and not the most plugged in guy anymore. Remember, he wasn’t initially seeded with an iPhone X to review and he threw a f’ing tantrum.
 
Honestly, I wish that we would see it this year. I am trying to keep in mind that this is just a rumor but we will just have to wait and see. I loved using my twitter app on my Mac, but I guess we will have to wait and see what is in store. I just realized how pointless of a post this was...Haha.
 
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