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Gurman: Apple Believes Its AI Technology Is Two Years Behind Rivals

TLuc said:
First of all, the pictures taken with Samsung flagships are not fake.

The algorithm Samsung uses to enhance these shots is a bit of a stretch to be considered AI. It's more like a photo mode, similar to Food Mode or Portrait Mode, rather than true AI-driven processing in the sense it's referred to here on this thread when people talk about AI.

To clarify this further, here's a screen recording where I took photos of the moon using an S23 Ultra. I used Gcam, which is a fork of the Pixel camera app, wasn't developed for Samsung phones so it also doesn’t have any Moon enhancement algorithms or special features like those found in Samsung’s native camera app.
This more than proves the capabilities of the hardware. Samsung doesn't need to "fake" Moon pictures, it only makes them look a little better through processing (so something all smartphone manufacturers do)
https://imgur.com/a/F7LwgBC

Now second, it would be really interesting to know what AI features "Android users" showed you and what would you categorize as impressive?

For example, this summer while I was on vacation I really had to speak with somebody that can only speak Portuguese, so I uses the Interpreter feature found on Samsung phones. The person was blown away by the fact that we could communicate with no effort in real time while not knowing each other's language, and also without an internet connection.
Also Circle to Search is God send, even if it's more Machine Learning than anything else but also other stuff like Natural Language Processing and AR etc. it's usefulness is incredible, the best Android feature in the last few years.
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I wish apple had astrophotography. It's so hard just to get a moon shot on the phone. Those look great.
 
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contacos said:
Is anyone else barely using AI tools because you're just so used to doing things the "old way"?
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On occasion I will ask chatGPT a search question that is too complex for a usual Google search.

Other than that, these LLMs are of no use to me.

And the generative AI models were fun to play with for a while, but they are so limited that at best they are used for quick memes to post to social media.
 
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TLuc said:
First of all, the pictures taken with Samsung flagships are not fake.

The algorithm Samsung uses to enhance these shots is a bit of a stretch to be considered AI. It's more like a photo mode, similar to Food Mode or Portrait Mode, rather than true AI-driven processing in the sense it's referred to here on this thread when people talk about AI.

To clarify this further, here's a screen recording where I took photos of the moon using an S23 Ultra. I used Gcam, which is a fork of the Pixel camera app, wasn't developed for Samsung phones so it also doesn’t have any Moon enhancement algorithms or special features like those found in Samsung’s native camera app.
This more than proves the capabilities of the hardware. Samsung doesn't need to "fake" Moon pictures, it only makes them look a little better through processing (so something all smartphone manufacturers do)
https://imgur.com/a/F7LwgBC

Now second, it would be really interesting to know what AI features "Android users" showed you and what would you categorize as impressive?

For example, this summer while I was on vacation I really had to speak with somebody that can only speak Portuguese, so I uses the Interpreter feature found on Samsung phones. The person was blown away by the fact that we could communicate with no effort in real time while not knowing each other's language, and also without an internet connection.
Also Circle to Search is God send, even if it's more Machine Learning than anything else but also other stuff like Natural Language Processing and AR etc. it's usefulness is incredible, the best Android feature in the last few years.
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Here's a link with Samsung's answer about Moon "shots": https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/15/23641069/samsung-fake-moon-controversy-english-language-blog-post

It's certainly not optical imagery. It identifies the subject and makes some tuning decisions. :)

The hype about AI is mostly hype.
Your translation example could just as easily have been an app.
We already have QR code identification in photo apps. Most people dont understand the processing to make that happen.

But AI for most of the public is not something they see or know is useful.
When more integrated AI happens and still remains transparent it will be interesting to see if people realise it or not.

But labeling everything as "AI" waters down the term.
 
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TLuc said:
First of all, the pictures taken with Samsung flagships are not fake.

The algorithm Samsung uses to enhance these shots is a bit of a stretch to be considered AI. It's more like a photo mode, similar to Food Mode or Portrait Mode, rather than true AI-driven processing in the sense it's referred to here on this thread when people talk about AI.

To clarify this further, here's a screen recording where I took photos of the moon using an S23 Ultra. I used Gcam, which is a fork of the Pixel camera app, wasn't developed for Samsung phones so it also doesn’t have any Moon enhancement algorithms or special features like those found in Samsung’s native camera app.
This more than proves the capabilities of the hardware. Samsung doesn't need to "fake" Moon pictures, it only makes them look a little better through processing (so something all smartphone manufacturers do)
https://imgur.com/a/F7LwgBC

Now second, it would be really interesting to know what AI features "Android users" showed you and what would you categorize as impressive?

For example, this summer while I was on vacation I really had to speak with somebody that can only speak Portuguese, so I uses the Interpreter feature found on Samsung phones. The person was blown away by the fact that we could communicate with no effort in real time while not knowing each other's language, and also without an internet connection.
Also Circle to Search is God send, even if it's more Machine Learning than anything else but also other stuff like Natural Language Processing and AR etc. it's usefulness is incredible, the best Android feature in the last few years.
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Your GCam isnt AI because you are doing what most experienced photographers do... massively cutting "brightness" to not overwhelm the sensor.

Why not record the standard Samsung photo app and let it do it's magic without any manual tuning?
 
We’ve long known that Gurman is a subversive troll engaged in industrial espionage against Apple. What’s disappointing is to see a reputable site like MacRumors propping him up with clickbait headlines.
 
wbeasley said:
Here is a link expl

Here's a link with Samsung's answer about Moon "shots": https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/15/23641069/samsung-fake-moon-controversy-english-language-blog-post
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I know about that, that's why I posted that screen recording, it provides data beyond that old reddit post. And there's also there's no correlation between the two.

wbeasley said:
It's certainly not optical imagery. It identifies the subject and makes some tuning decisions. :)
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Nobody said it's optical.
wbeasley said:
The hype about AI is mostly hype.
Your translation example could just as easily have been an app.
We already have QR code identification in photo apps. Most people dont understand the processing to make that happen.
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OK so your problem is you don't understand how these features work, you obviously haven't used them and all you want to do is minimize them. I understand.
 
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wbeasley said:
Your GCam isnt AI because you are doing what most experienced photographers do... massively cutting "brightness" to not overwhelm the sensor.
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I didn't do anything beyond lowering the brightness. That's nothing extraordinary. The Moon is like a light bulb, so lowering the brightness as much a possible makes perfect sense. On iphones its very hard to get a good shot in auto mode even if you lower the brightness(it doesn't go low enough and the processing isn't good in this scenario).

wbeasley said:
Why not record the standard Samsung photo app and let it do it's magic without any manual tuning?
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I did that as well. First part is stock camera with AI off. Samsung's Zoom camera is just excellent at exposure when it comes to very bright objects and also when it comes to focus, that's why I can easily take photos of the moon with 3rd party apps.
https://imgur.com/a/c2GWjBw
 
Apple made so much drama about Apple Intelligence. Okay, so today 18.1 RC dropped and I upgraded to it.
Uhhh that’s it. A freaking photo object eraser that has been available since more than 10 years ago (“Touch Retouch” app). A writing tool that has a few options, in only one variant of one language in one country. Darn, the most useful feature is a phone call recording feature that has nothing to do with AI - that Apple should have added from the beginning.

I guess there are more than 2 years of gap. More like 5-6 years.
 
dannys1 said:
In some ways though they are ahead. In terms of using a mini LLM on device - though I believe Google does this on the Pixel too? (correct me if i'm wrong).

I know they had a breakthrough in usuage in that area though. I don't think it should be Apple's job to build yet another massive LLM like ChatGPT - we have enough of them, all doing largely similar things and taking up lots and lots of energy to do it.

I terms of LLM I think it makes sense to use on board for all language processing, Siri controlling the device, Siri working with requests etc. Then use a 3rd party massive LLM for more complex questions, let the user choose between ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini and who else might be the best at the time. I don't see why Apple has to build another one of those and compete in the top % - it'd be better if they focussed on another part of AI that improves the LLMs already available, like an advanced reasoning algo.

I think they'll most struggling in the generative image AI, which to be fair is some of the most fun but also most pointless parts of generative AI. There's no real serious use for it to be honest, but I do think their way of letting you create custom emojis is a great idea.
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Because if they don’t then you will give all your data to google, openAI or meta.
 
lenningj said:
Could leverage the entire iPhone 16 userbase for AI training when charging during user specified times and reward users who participate

+ free replacement battery after x months of participation if falling under the 80% threshold
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Apple hasn't rewarded any users for using their hardware to run find my/apple tags.
 
I sent an email to Steve Jobs about a year or two before his death, suggesting that Apple should focus on AI and use it, among other things, to make Siri more useful, and to gain a competitive advantage. It's taken a while for him to work that suggestion into the product line.
 
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iPhoneFan5349 said:
Because if they don’t then you will give all your data to google, openAI or meta.
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OpenAI already has all mine i'm afraid. I'm not really that bothered, I pay for the service, they don't serve ads. I even tick the box to let them use my content to train the models with - I want it to get better.
 
haruhiko said:
Apple made so much drama about Apple Intelligence. Okay, so today 18.1 RC dropped and I upgraded to it.
Uhhh that’s it. A freaking photo object eraser that has been available since more than 10 years ago (“Touch Retouch” app). A writing tool that has a few options, in only one variant of one language in one country. Darn, the most useful feature is a phone call recording feature that has nothing to do with AI - that Apple should have added from the beginning.

I guess there are more than 2 years of gap. More like 5-6 years.
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What’s going to happen in the gap is 5-6 is going to be at the forefront in less than a year.
 
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KurtWilde said:
See what? You’re not offering or saying anything, just needlessly combative.
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spoken from someone who says search is not AI...then takes every criticism of Apple personally.
If you can't see how search is incorporating AI...then this whole thread is beyond your grasp..

There have been a plethora of examples in this thread showing how Apple is behind the industry in AI. You just either don't want to acknowledge them or can't comprehend them. Then being factual is not being combative. People can disagree with you....and it not be personal.

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TLuc said:
First of all, the pictures taken with Samsung flagships are not fake.

The algorithm Samsung uses to enhance these shots is a bit of a stretch to be considered AI. It's more like a photo mode, similar to Food Mode or Portrait Mode, rather than true AI-driven processing in the sense it's referred to here on this thread when people talk about AI.

To clarify this further, here's a screen recording where I took photos of the moon using an S23 Ultra. I used Gcam, which is a fork of the Pixel camera app, wasn't developed for Samsung phones so it also doesn’t have any Moon enhancement algorithms or special features like those found in Samsung’s native camera app.
This more than proves the capabilities of the hardware. Samsung doesn't need to "fake" Moon pictures, it only makes them look a little better through processing (so something all smartphone manufacturers do)
https://imgur.com/a/F7LwgBC

Now second, it would be really interesting to know what AI features "Android users" showed you and what would you categorize as impressive?

For example, this summer while I was on vacation I really had to speak with somebody that can only speak Portuguese, so I uses the Interpreter feature found on Samsung phones. The person was blown away by the fact that we could communicate with no effort in real time while not knowing each other's language, and also without an internet connection.
Also Circle to Search is God send, even if it's more Machine Learning than anything else but also other stuff like Natural Language Processing and AR etc. it's usefulness is incredible, the best Android feature in the last few years.
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TLuc said:
I didn't do anything beyond lowering the brightness. That's nothing extraordinary. The Moon is like a light bulb, so lowering the brightness as much a possible makes perfect sense. On iphones its very hard to get a good shot in auto mode even if you lower the brightness(it doesn't go low enough and the processing isn't good in this scenario).


I did that as well. First part is stock camera with AI off. Samsung's Zoom camera is just excellent at exposure when it comes to very bright objects and also when it comes to focus, that's why I can easily take photos of the moon with 3rd party apps.
https://imgur.com/a/c2GWjBw
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MacRumors said:
… its upcoming AI features lack the "wow factor" of rival technologies…
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As a regular user of OpenAI, I can testify against its "wow" factor. ChatGPT is cool but very limited in what it can do from a detailed point of view. Its general information is often accurate, but it fails miserably and regularly on details—by its own admission. This applies to text and graphic content. Good general images and text, but very poor on details. Plus its writing style is very redundant and wooden. But it can do cute limericks.

As an occasional user of Google search, I have never found its AI summaries to provide much value – but then google search is providing less and less value all of the time, not sure why.

I have no experience with Meta AI.

As a professional journalist, I regularly use ChatGPT for brainstorming. It is really good at brainstorming. But not as good as a human.

I am hoping Apple AI does a really good job of proofreading and spellchecking in context. I do all of my own writing after doing my own research. Unfortunately I also do my own proofreading. What a pain, but necessary in our times.

I vet everything, something generative AI does not do. It doesn't know when it doesn't know. That's not very intelligent.
 
johnsawyercjs said:
I sent an email to Steve Jobs about a year or two before his death, suggesting that Apple should focus on AI and use it, among other things, to make Siri more useful, and to gain a competitive advantage. It's taken a while for him to work that suggestion into the product line.
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be patient.
answer will come ... soon
 
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jamezr said:
spoken from someone who says search is not AI...then takes every criticism of Apple personally.
If you can't see how search is incorporating AI...then this whole thread is beyond your grasp..

There have been a plethora of examples in this thread showing how Apple is behind the industry in AI. You just either don't want to acknowledge them or can't comprehend them. Then being factual is not being combative. People can disagree with you....and it not be personal.

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Why do you want Apple to do search so bad?
 
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