I use my phone while its charging all the time. Thats the point.
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Gurman: Apple Considered Removing Lightning Connector on iPhone X
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I use my phone while its charging all the time. Thats the point.
You’re both limiting your idea of what inductive “wireless” charging is capable of being, based on what Apple and others have presently brought to market. Imagine when Apple removes the Lightning port, they add magnets around the Apple logo on the back for instance, where an Apple Watch-sized charging puck would attach magnetically.that solves both of your problems, perhaps even better than Lightning, which forces the phone into a particular orientation depending on the location of the plug.
Currently, there are third party charging cases which snap to the back of an iPhone and use proprietary charging pucks that attach to them. That’s a solution you can have now. By the time Apple gets around to removing the Lightning port, you’ll have many more options.
The point is that by choosing only wireless charging, Apple would not have put itself into a position where it technically was inevitable to have slower charging than previous or current iPhones, which is what the post I was replying to implied (with vast exaggeration). Even if the iPhone X had shipped as it is just without the Lightning port, it would have charged slower than the previous iPhone (7).
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I do as well, via Bluetooth headphones.
Bringing a USB to clip-on magnet cable instead of USB to lightning should do the trick in all cases.
[doublepost=1529889604][/doublepost]I've been expecting this, but definitely not this soon.
Connecting to CarPlay via bluetooth would imply wireless CarPlay ... but either way you didn't specify connecting via bluetooth in your response to AppleFan, which is why I replied. Connecting via bluetooth while using a Qi pad for charging still isn't CarPlay. You can't connect to CarPlay via bluetooth. In the post of mine you quoted, I put in a link to show what's required for wireless CarPlay, and it's not possible via bluetooth ... bluetooth is part of the pairing process but it requires a Wi-Fi access point. Sure you can wirelessly charge and connect to some headunits over bluetooth for audio, but you wouldn't be in the CarPlay interface.
WiFi options are unpractical and not fast and reliable enough.
Bluetooth is slow and limited.
Nothing beats a wired connection.
Lightning is not nearly as fast as you suppose.
Apple's adhoc wireless transfer is even slower, of course, but probably won't be for many more generations.
Ah yes, no wonder Lightening has been on USB 2.0 for how long now. Lightening to USB 3 for fast charging is an expensive option, while others provide this for free, Apple charges for it. Most did not have a problem with Lightening to USB 2 data transfer and charging speeds prior to last years fast charging introduction.
Bluetooth 5 is anything but slow, it all depends on manufactures implementation and the chips capacity to utilize it to it's fullest. Most manufacturers like the marketing label Bluetooth 4.x/5, etc to sell their item, however it is poorly implemented. Take a look at the AirPods and the custom W1 chip, it uses Bluetooth 4 specifications while the W1 chip has power management, pairing responsibilities. Yet AirPods being a Bluetooth product is a hit for Apple, contrary to your argument it being slow and limited. Apple introduced the W1 for tighter integration with its products, I am sure other Bluetooth chip manufacturers can produce something comparable and/or custom (additional cost).
WiFi data transfer has not been unstable for as long as I can remember, maybe first to second gen products, again see explanation for Bluetooth reasoning above.
I agreed, nothing beats a wired connection, bring back the 3.5mm audio jack.
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There is also such a thing as being good enough that the user is largely indifferent to subsequent improvements.
For example, my iMac runs on WiFi because it has been fast enough and reliable for me. I just don’t bother plugging in an Ethernet cable.
Paper specs don’t always translate directly to a better user experience. I think Apple knows this better than anyone else.
Seems like a dongle is an easy solution for your in-ear monitors, and connecting to stereos and PAs. Seems like your friend is over at your house quite a bit. For $9, after the first time I forgot my dongle, I probably would have bought a dongle to leave at your house. I’d also have one in my car too. So he’s either cheap or lazy.
My friend is on his way over to beat your ass.
And so once again theres a cable now dangling from your phone, except this cable now wastes 30-40% of the electricity put into it compared to the old cable. So whats the point? Just use the plug-in cable thats superior in every single way.
Your examples are ridiculous. The headphone jack is still widely used around the world. The others, not so much. Until you realize that EVERYONE in the music/film industry still uses the headphone jack(no, not bluetooth) to produce everything that everyone listens to or watches on screen, then you are just being ignorant on how important it still is.
So you think Apple pushed the boundaries and is courageous by removing the headphone jack? Then tell me, what new convenience feature did the world gain from it? Wireless headphones could already connect to older phones so that’s not an argument. Maybe you don’t use it now, but that’s not a valid reason why they did away with it in the first place.
People who bought into the AirPod marketing infavour to omit the headphone jack are exactly the lemmings Tim Cooks Apple wants to maximize profits. Takes this for comparison:
3.5mm headphone jack = multiple affordable excellent options on the market readily available.
Bluetooth option = Apples sells to naive consumer that AirPods is the answer to the wired headphones and jack.
AirPods = limited availability, surprise hit though had quite a few problems and has to be charged while Bluetooth draws additional battery life from iPhone.
Wires 3.5mm headphones = does not need to be charged and draws minimal power from iPhone as Bluetooth is not used.
iPhone = more Bluetooth streaming means battery discharges sooner and needs to be recharged often, battery dies sooner and consumers will have to upgrade sooner or replace its battery at own cost.
Removing the 3.5mm headphone jack was marketed for saving space to allow the Taptic Engine to be housed. The truth is that a smaller Taptical Engine could have been used and include the headphone jack as well, however this would mean that Apple would not had the same success their have today to solve a problem their created by introducing AirPods. Seems Apple feared that most people would have opted for an affordable option of wired headphones, then buy into their expensive AirPod solution.
People are gullible, they don’t realize that the battery in the AirPods, Case and iPhone will deplete faster and need to be replaced at a higher cost and is not environmentally green just to get rid of a wire that attaches to their iPhone. Simply amazing logic, people have gotten drunk on the Kool-Aid. These same people want the Lightening or USB-C cable instead of a charging technique similar to the Apple Watch.
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The lesson Apple keeps teaching and which others keep ignoring is - to create true meaningful change in a market, you need to force change. By taking bold unapologetic stances.
Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack. Here’s a laptop with only usb c ports.
The real benefit comes not in me not needing a wired headphone, but in the removal of the jack (hopefully) incentivising companies to come up with better wireless headphones and wireless technologies. By giving them one extra reason to and one less reason not to.
It will be interesting to see what succeeds the headphone jack and if Apple ends up betting on the right horse all along.
You lost me at “you need to force change”
Forcing customers to do anything is never good in ANY industry!
Oh, I don’t deny the transition period usually sucks, but I do feel that with Apple at least, it’s usually worth it in the end.
Forcing people means that Apple feared or fears that will just stick with the affordable option. If Apple were truly revolutionary it should provide its customers choice, not force. This portrays a lack of confidence in its direction(s).
AirPods, many bluetooth options available, its still expensive, limited per charge and design fundamentals. Apples solution get rid of the headphone jack port, introduce its own bluetooth product, limits lightening port dongle to either use it for audio or charge the device, or purchase an unavailable third-party option to do both. Why not include the headphone jack port along with AirPods, see how the market react to your solution compared to the previously available options. Why not include a dongle that can charge and has a 3.5mm female connector, so consumers are not inconvenienced to decide between charging or listening to music, however are forced by Apple to use bluetooth options or purchase wired headphones that can also charge your phone. This was a sneaky move not to include a “Y’ lightening dongle for charging and a headphone jack in the box. So their remove the headphone jack to save space in the device, however the solution is a dongle, where is the logic in this. I would have provided the customer a $10-20 rebate coupon so the customer can use it on any bluetooth or lightening wired headphones. Choice, yes. Apple was not confident in their decision to remove it, due to fear of AirPods failing.
Physical keyboards and a stylus are more refined and faster methods of input, Apple has admitted to it with the iPad Pro Smart Keyboard and Apple Pencil, let’s not fool ourselves. It is the same reason we still have them on laptops and part of our desktop experience. On-screen keyboards are a quick dirty solution and using ones fingers to interact with objects is limited to the available screen space.
Even Apple’s USB-C solution is half-baked, not going to go into details other than it is a dongle mess. For a company that markets itself and products as slim and sexy, one has to attach dongles or a hub to have any useful I/O benefit and at an additional cost. Why not include a single USB-C dongle that charges, has USB-A, 3.5mm, HDMI, SD Card, etc inside this expensive computer. Why are customers forced and burdened with additional cost and to look for a dongle/hub functionality I/O option to use their new and expensive purchase. This is an insult to all Mac users, you are a professional, you don’t have time to review, buy and fumble around with attachments when there is ample space in the devand the cost you paid. Why did Apple not gradually introduce its users and products with one or two USB-C ports on the pro models. Once again their were not confident that people will embrace an expensive option.
This is not a transitional period, it is an Apples way or the highway and I hope consumers and pros reject their hardware and send them a strong message. Maybe it is done intentionally to signal to the shareholders that consumers want iOS devices vice MacOS devices, so their can kill the Mac line sooner.
Alan Kay once said - The best way to predict the future is to invent it.
You want a wireless future? Grab it with both your hands and make it yours, rather than leave it to something as finicky and unpredictable as "chance". You know why flash lost? Because Apple went so far as to block flash from ios while publicly throwing their full weight behind HTML5. Apple made the decision for their users, rather than allow users to choose. And that made all the difference.
This is precisely what I love about Apple - that they march to their own step and not give 2 craps about what everyone else thinks.
Never change, Apple. Never change.
Flash was overdue to be replaced anyhow, it was long in the tooth and Adobe tried its best to plug the leaks in a sinking ship that resembled Swiss cheese. HTML5 was not ready for prime time when Steve Jobs chose to jump in with both feet. It was done for security and performance of their devices. It was no secret that Flash was a processor and battery hog, thus Apple’s decision to not support it. I agree there is no point in having the full web experience if you mobile device does not last long on a charge or needs to be plugged to an electrical outlet.
Speaking of Apple moving forward, why are their still including HDD on certain Mac hardware models. If you say their are forward thinking bite the bullet take a small bite to profits initially and include SSD as standard across the board or a Fusion drive on entry level models standard.
Limit or cease drinking the Kool-Aid. I like Apple as well, however I call any company when their preach BS to the masses to support a cause for profit. This is dubious behaviour, one can be ethical and make a profit at the same time.
So if 3D Touch is omitted from the rumoured 6.1” iPhone will it reintroduce the 3.5mm headphone jack as the Tactile Engine is not included. One can increase battery surface and include the jack.
Apple under Tim Cooks leadership has lost its essence and is more focused on profits by nickel and dime its users through frustration. Life is not better seeking, carrying around dongles and not including it out of the box.
I have lost all hope for the Mac hardware line, it has matured and Apple is not interested in this area. Once DevTools is available on iPad Pro/ARM, you will understand the lack of love for the Mac. Wearable computing is where Apple is heading with its wireless future and the iPhone is the core/hub.
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Although this statement is correct in its essence, in the context of this discussion, it is misleading because it is a bad Analogy.
The removal of the headphone jack is really in no way similar to the removal of flash from iOS.
Flash was perceived by Apple to be negatively affecting battery life (among many other legit reasons), which at the time was perceived by the non-tech masses to be one of the device's weaknesses and the move to remove it was deemed necessary to maintain a satisfactory level of usage out the device.
Plus let's not naively deny that there wasn't an aspect of personal vendetta in the move. SJ obviously harboured resentment towards Adobe for their lacklustre Mac support in general, for example their late cocoa adoption of CS5.
I won't even begin to get into the whole security issues and the 'open versus closed' dilemmas that flash represented for iOS as a whole but in particular the darling, make-or-break, at the time, App Store.
To summarize, Flash was actively hurting the iPhone and in a weird, twisted way Apple were the ones forced to change/adapt, not the other way around. Don't forget Apple was very much the underdog and could not "throw their weight" at Adobe. Steve Jobs even had to release a letter so as to paint Apple as the victims because he was astutely aware that "throwing your weight around" can be interpreted as bullying and knew that critics & consumers alike always react unfavourable to force, especially when the benefit of the trade off is not clear.
Unfortunately I fear that the Apple of today has forgotten this basic PR principle IMO.
Which brings me to the core of this whole thread's discussion, as SJ put it so succinctly, "Everyone wins – we sell more devices because we have the best apps, developers reach a wider and wider audience and customer base, and users are continually delighted by the best and broadest selection of apps on any platform." Taking bold moves is all good and well but it needs to benefit everyone - Apple sells more while consumers don't get burned and no matter how people spin it, cut it or dice it, removing the headphone jack benefitted Apple in a lopsided way. The fact that this move was done coincidentally at the exact moment Apple released wireless airpods when wireless headphones had existed for aeons beforehand just further rubs salt into the wounds for me.
Rant over.
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