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Only a small selection of CarPlay vehicles support Wireless CarPlay.....
Also, don't you need to have a diagnostic port?
And sometimes you want to hold the phone up and use it while it's charging.
Really don't support this idea.
 
You guys really can't be that dense can you? @falainber pretty much summed up my thoughts. Apple is NOT the reason that the headphone jack is being removed, not was it the first to do so, nor first to have a notch. I do find it odd that you two actually believe this. But then again being a MR regular, I don't find it so far-fetched, especially after seeing how entrenched you two are into believing everything that Apple says.

My point is that Apple is not the first to do many things that you guys claim. And for the millionth time, who cares about finances. (Pretty sure you have heard me say this at least a million times). There is no need to keep defending a company that doesn't care about you as individuals. Do you think Apple is going to give you a discount for constantly saying how profitable they are? If anything, it just means that they are milking their sheep.
I am an investor, so I do benefit from the financials. It is almost like they are giving me a discount.

People aren't stupid...the numbers are in and speak for themselves. The statement of "Apple doesn't care about you as individuals" is short-sighted. Apple doesn't sell 300M devices/yr because they are interested in their own game. They want customers to be happy, period. See iOS 12 almost completely focused on speed for older devices. Apple does a better job of "caring for customers" than probably any company, let alone tech. Does Microsoft care? Google? Samsung? LOL!!

You keep pounding your fist about Apple not being first, which we've conceded. That's not the point. You have given no evidence to counter that Apple doesn't drive the industry, despite not always being first. Apple constantly tweaks technology and NAILS it. This drives the industry to scramble on things like Animoji, FaceID copies (secure, not just gimmick facial recog not even secure enough authorize SamsungPay), integrated OS, etc etc.

Do you think Apple didn't drive the move toward secure facial recognition? 3D mapping of faces? A vertically integrated App Store? iOS? Animoji? Looks like Samsung thought Animoji were important, right? Now we see other Android phones scrambling for better facial recognition that's actually secure. The Xiaomi just copied this, with fewer data points. How about gesture OS, like Android P? Pretty sure Apple hurried that along (still not out).
 
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As a consumer you always have the freedom to buy a product from a different company
Indeed, and many have done just that - albeit, begrudgingly. Removing the phone jack added no functionality to the iPhone. Switching from Lightning to USB-C might actually be a one-step backward (inconvenient for current iPhone users), two-steps forward (more compatible interface with a more universally used port, good decision in the big picture). Removing all ports has no practical reasoning behind it; it is an aesthetic decision. Apple is increasingly going for form over function across their product lines - no phone jack on phones, fewer ports and flimsy keyboards on laptops, less functional trashcan design fore the Mac Pro, etc. Consumer flight from Apple products may seem insignificant to the "but look at the sales figures" Apple diehard faithful, but if Apple continues the form over function route with accompanying high price hikes, they will ultimately lose their once-loyal customer base. That is not a positive for Apple. It leaves a customer base which prefers form over function, or at least that is willing to put up with it in order to remain in the iOS/MacOS walled garden.
 
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The 6S / 6S+ is a good phone. Mine is still working just fine, and I'll probably put a new battery in it next year. Perhaps in a couple of years Apple will come out with a portless, wireless device worth the Apple tax.
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Just imagine how much better their sales would be if they still incorporated a headphone jack? The people who still buy them don't care about listening to music with high quality wired headphones. Apple's choices with both iPhones and Macs the last several years have lost them a significant number of long time customers. They (and people like you) don't care - neither do their lost customers. Too many fish in the sea to stick with a fickle anorexic fish.
How many long time customers have they lost? You? You are speculating. You don't know. Sales are better than ever, so they are likely gaining customers and selling more services.

I have no idea if their sales would be higher with a headphone jack. With AirPods, I'd say it's probably a wash at best. People don't care about headphones jacks. Some do, most don't. Numbers prove it.
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None of that exists yet. Provide the user with a complete wireless solution for the use cases currently well supported by wire rather than leaving them to figure out the details to make it work, like what happened with the recent MacBook and USB-C ports. That is not Apple to me.

I’m against this new attitude of the company, design with even more accent on visuals and less on usability.
Well, the iPhone still has a lightning connector too, right? That's kind of my point. When they remove it, other stuff will likely exist to compensate.
 
"There is even wireless CarPlay, although it is currently only available in a few vehicle models and aftermarket systems. "

If this happened I would not be buying a new iPhone for several years as my 2018 SUV requires a wired connection to CarPlay. Not gonna happen for this reason right here. Apple sometimes makes bold, controversial changes but they aren't stupid enough to alienate millions of customers. It's one thing to force people to invest in new wireless chargers or headphones, but it is another thing entirely to ask them to invest thousands of dollars on new vehicles to work with their $1,000 iPhone.
 
That's great and all, but how are you going to charge the phone in your car? Or at the airport? This is a design edict disconnected from the real world. Time to leave the glass bubble, Jonny.

The micro USB port broke on my old S7 so I was forced to try wireless charging in the car. Did not work at all. It’s so convenient to just plug the phone in for music and navigation.
 



As a side note in his report about technical challenges facing the AirPower, expected to be released by September, well-connected reporter Mark Gurman also noted that Apple considered removing wired charging from the iPhone X.

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From his Bloomberg News story:Just to be absolutely clear, Gurman confirmed to me that this would have included removing the Lightning connector from the device. In fact, his report notes that Apple designers eventually hope to "remove most of the external ports and buttons on the iPhone," although this is likely multiple years away.

A few years ago, it was reported that Apple's design chief Jony Ive's end goal is for the iPhone to resemble a "single sheet of glass," while Apple has repeatedly expressed its ambitions to "create a wireless future," so the eventual removal of the Lightning connector should perhaps come as no surprise.

Apple is already well on its way towards that wireless future, with products and technologies ranging from AirPods and AirPower to its W1 and W2 wireless chips. Apple also made the controversial decision to remove the headphone jack from iPhone 7 models a few years ago, pushing users towards wireless earphones.

Still, removing the Lightning connector would certainly be another controversial decision, given it is not only used for wired charging, but also for audio and data transfer, such as syncing an iPhone with iTunes on a Mac or PC.

Removing the Lightning connector would also prevent an iPhone from directly connecting to a wide range of peripherals, including many adapters, docks, battery cases, power banks, keyboards, game controllers, audio cables, wired headphones, and other accessories authorized under Apple's MFi Program.

In many cases, however, wireless alternatives would be available. It's possible to sync an iPhone with iTunes over Wi-Fi, for example, while wired headphone users can go wireless, Bluetooth-enabled game controllers are available, and upright-positioned wireless chargers can double as a docking station.

There is even wireless CarPlay, although it is currently only available in a few vehicle models and aftermarket systems.

Of course, there would be some friction with this transition, just like when Apple switched from its 30-pin dock connector to Lightning in 2012, and removed the headphone jack on the iPhone 7. In both of those cases, however, the controversy eventually died down as many users came to accept the new reality.

It's also worth noting that Apple considers a lot of different ideas internally that might never materialize in a public-facing product.

At this point, it appears like the Lightning connector on iPhones should live on for at least a few years. Rumors suggest Apple will bundle a faster 18W charger with a USB-C port with iPhones released in 2018, which would connect to the devices with a Lightning to USB-C cable included in the box.

Article Link: Gurman: Apple Considered Removing Lightning Connector on iPhone X
*****? Apple is so out of touch with their customers
 
The past tense in 'existed' indicates that one exists now. Is that a correct reading?

I'm talking in past tense because they did it in the past. May not be 'correct' but I'm sure you know what I meant. To my knowledge there are no wireless headphones with zero latency (and please don't tell me iOS delaying video to sync with the latent audio is a solution, it's a bodge at best.)

Qi chargers charge the iPhone 8 and X about as fast (or even faster) than the wired charger shipping with the iPhone. And the fastest Qi chargers on other phones charge about as fast as the fastest wired charger on the iPhone.

So your polemic that wireless charging in future iPhone would take longer than current wired iPhone charging is about as far from the truth as possible.

My example was an exaggeration, sure. I very much doubt the fastest wireless charging is as fast as the fastest wired charging, and I am also sure the fastest wireless data syncing is not as fast (or certainly as reliable) as wired.
 
Apple usually isn’t the first, but they end up being the ones to define the industry trend moving forward because of their clout and influence.

The first modern smartphone I know of to remove the headphone jack would be the Oppo R5. Would you say that today’s phone companies are removing their headphone jacks because Oppo did it first, or because Apple did it and everyone saw that they were getting away with it?

Same for the notch. True, the essential phone had it first but again, do you really think smartphone companies got the “courage” to adopt the notch from Essential or from Apple?
So what you are basically saying is what everyone knows, Apple just steals every idea they have had from other smaller companies.. and the flock lap it up.. gotcha.
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..and the fastest Qi chargers on other phones charge about as fast as the fastest wired charger on the iPhone..

Absolute tosh, the X is standard wireless charging, "OTHERS" as you describe Samsung use fast charging.. much quicker. This is not even up.for debate...
 
That was my point. Despite the fuss in the media, people didn't mind losing the 3.5mm jack because there's no real loss of convenience - you can use AirPods (like I do) or Bluetooth, but you can also still plug in headphones or other speakers if you need to via Lightning or the Lighting to 3.5mm adapter. You're not losing anything.

But removing a charging port is a very different thing because there's a significant loss of flexibility/convenience unless battery life is vastly improved. I don't see what's more convenient about a phone with only wireless charging vs a phone that has both wireless and wired charging, like iPhone 8/X. Here were my follow-up posts:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ctor-on-iphone-x.2124205/page-2#post-26174939

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ctor-on-iphone-x.2124205/page-3#post-26174992

There are just too many cases where not having any option to do wired charging would be a significant loss of convenience and functionality (you also lose the ability to do Lightning to 3.5mm audio) - that wasn't the case with the removal of the 3.5mm jack.

As long as QI chargers are available around the world in equal numbers as Lightning chargers, then I’m not sure I follow the argument here. When Apple went from 30-Pin Dock connectors to Lightning, there was a transition phase where it was difficult to find a Lightning charger if you failed to carry one. It seems pretty obvious that QI charging, which has been around for years in the Android community, is about to become the most common way to charge a phone. So I’m not sure there’s really an issue here.

As to your point about losing the ability to use wired audio, read on ...

I dont mind if they switch to USB-C (even though it'll be a PITA!) but if they remove all ports itll make the phone significantly less useful. I occasionally use ethernet adaptor, usb ports, SD card readers, midi interface on my iphone and iPad..

Only way I can see it working is if they remove it on the SE-level cheaper phones and have an iPhone Pro that retains ports. People do use these devices for a range of *stuff* outside games/social media/browsing, and apple traditionally cater well for that stuff, but jeez this would be a massive headache and would require taking whole new peaces of hardware on trips when a couple of tiny dongles currently do the job.

Also wireless charging isn't as convenient a lot of the time, I cant see a single upside to removing all the ports, it's mental.

I personally don’t think they will remove the Lightning port without offering some kind of minimal physical port, like a Smart Connector. In which case dongles will do the trick, you’ll just need SmartConnector dongles ... how about Lightning to Smart Connector even so you can even keep using your old gear.

If they had a small magnetic snap-on charging puck I guess it would work, but having to transfer everything wirelessly would be a pain

This is exactly what I think they’re going to do. Just like the AppleWatch. The SmartConnector also would serve this purpose with both data transfer and charging.

But what I don’t agree with is the idea that having to transfer everything wirelessly would be a pain. Currently the Lightning port is limited to USB 2.0 speeds. It takes forever to backup my iPhone that way. This is why the smart connector could easily replace Lightning with a USB 2.0 standard. Whereas wireless transfers can easily exceed that standard now. I’d much rather backup my phone wirelessly at twice the speed of the current Lightning hardwired connector, and be able to do it anywhere, without being restricted by the cable length, or availability.

I can’t imagine a situation where pulling out a cable and plugging it into the iPhone would be preferred over a wireless transfer, assuming transfer rates meet or exceed the wired method.
 
It would be just like Apple to remove the charging connector BEFORE releasing a wireless charger of their own. Anyone remember AirPods and the iPhone 7? They took away the headphone jack because they claimed to have a “wireless” solution, however, those AirPods didn’t ship for several months! Apple’s Airpad will probably be the same. You’ll get an iPhone X but a way to charge that phone probably won’t be available until sometime next year and of course you’ll have to preorder because there won’t be anything in the retail stores until the END OF NEXT YEAR!
 
Over a rumor that may or may not be true?

I don't have any mercy on Apple concerning ports. It was the most idiotic thing to remove the headphone jack with iPhone 7. No real advantages. Just brainless. It's a pain in the a*s to use iPhones without a headphone jack for traveling. Apple is forcing its customers to buy their expensive accessories like the AirPods (which I love nonetheless). If they remove that last remaining port within the next 5 years I'm going to dump my Apple stuff into the recycling container around the corner.
 
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So what you are basically saying is what everyone knows, Apple just steals every idea they have had from other smaller companies.. and the flock lap it up.. gotcha.
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The essential phone was announced a few months prior to the iPhone X.

If you are somehow insinuating that Apple saw the design of the essential phone, then decided to tear up their own design (which would have been locked down a full year minimum before being released) and redesigning it to incorporate a notch in the short span of a few months...

I get that it’s popular to hate on Apple these days but come on, can you at least make an attempt to come up with an accusation that’s semi-believable?
 
The essential phone was announced a few months prior to the iPhone X.

If you are somehow insinuating that Apple saw the design of the essential phone, then decided to tear up their own design (which would have been locked down a full year minimum before being released) and redesigning it to incorporate a notch in the short span of a few months...

I get that it’s popular to hate on Apple these days but come on, can you at least make an attempt to come up with an accusation that’s semi-believable?
They copied the rumour that was widely circulated much earlier... try and keep up, which is basically what apple try and do every year these days...
 
So.... you'd have to carry around a cumbersome 'wireless' charging dock with you everywhere you went? o_O

In 'the future' when wireless docks are built into every desk, coffee shop table, trains, workplace etc then that would be fine. In the meantime such a move would totally kill the iPhone for obvious reasons.

Playing devil's advocate here, but maybe that's their idea. By removing it, it would force the industry's hand in developing this futuristic wireless Utopia, the same way headphone manufacturers were forced to start pushing out both higher quality and more affordable Bluetooth headset options when they removed the headphone port, or how wireless pay kiosks became more prevalent after Apple Pay came out.

I won't disagree that it sucks when they kill off current standard ports and technologies, but honestly, I haven't missed the headphone jack at all, the same way I no longer miss DVD and floppy drives. If Apple had kept any of these technologies, there would be no incentive or motivation for third parties, or society in general, to move forward.

The bigger problem is that Apple never really addresses the immediate need for replacement tech. We still don't have a first party wireless charging solution, fast charging wasn't available at launch, and is still confusing to the common consumer as far as what charger and cable they'll need to buy to take advantage of it, and it took them several months after the launch of the iPhone 7 to put out the Airpods (and remained unavailable for long periods due to supply/demand).

If they're going to kill something off, they need to be able to say, "Okay, you can no longer do things this way, but we offer x product to address this, available at launch." Even better if they can include said solution in the box.
 
I’m not really sure why people think there’s an absolute need to connect a device to another device to recover it. Modern Macs have recovery partition and internet recovery in the firmware if even that fails. Sure, it has a cost both financial and in physical volume but both reduce over time.

Recovering from my local backup will beat anything from the internet. People aren't always sitting at home connected to their fast internet when their phone fails or bricks. The computer has no master device, so of course it needs to be able to recover itself on its own via internet recovery. A computer does its own diagnostics, an iPhone doesn't it must be inspected with a master device, a computer.
 
Removing the port is the final blow to hacking devices like Graykey.:D They'll sell it as a security feature, No port so no way to access your data via USB.:eek: Cheering through out the land.:oops: But they still won't implement a firewall feature. We protect our computers with a firewall, we protect our networks with a firewall, but we cannot protect our phones with a firewall.

Essential solved by his partially by implementing a contact/low-field wireless USB connection for the camera module. I see no different in implementing this except for charging.
 
Some small corrections: 3D touch aka Force touch was available in Android dating back to 2009.
Long press (what both Android and Apple have been using for years), is not the same thing as Force/3D touch. Adding an additional level of functionality makes this different. What you said is like saying that LCD and OLED are the same thing, simple because they are both ways of displaying pixels on a screen.
 
Do you, for even a split second, believe that we would still be using floppy discs if it weren't for Apple? Apple has always gotten rid of port, features, functionality over time, just look at the state of their hardware and software. But while removing ports, it's not like they have pioneered the next gen replacement for "x,y,z" port which they removed. Look at the headphone jack. It was only removed to sell their airpods.
That wasn't my point. Floppy discs/drives would still have gone the way of the Do-Do, I am simply saying that Apple did something that the industry then followed. Same with the cd/dvd drive. I'm also not sold on the idea that Apple simply removed the headphone jack just to sell their airpods. I'm more of the belief they dumped the headphone jack in order to allow the design of the full screen iPhone X, while getting the added benefit of selling airpods. But if they only wanted to force people to buy airpods, why include an adapter for legacy 3.5mm headphones?
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No, force touch.

https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionEvent#getPressure()

Apparently this feature was supported since 2009
Interesting. So, Android had this;
"public float getPressure (int pointerIndex)
Returns the current pressure of this event for the given pointer index (use getPointerId(int) to find the pointer identifier for this index). The pressure generally ranges from 0 (no pressure at all) to 1 (normal pressure), however values higher than 1 may be generated depending on the calibration of the input device."
But only used a binary event of 0 or 1?
 
What about actually being on a plane? There is no way that the airlines are going to allow 200 passengers to use bluetooth headsets. What actually does happen when 200 people near each other use bluetooth, anyway?
 
The essential phone was announced a few months prior to the iPhone X.

If you are somehow insinuating that Apple saw the design of the essential phone, then decided to tear up their own design (which would have been locked down a full year minimum before being released) and redesigning it to incorporate a notch in the short span of a few months...

I get that it’s popular to hate on Apple these days but come on, can you at least make an attempt to come up with an accusation that’s semi-believable?

Except Apple applied for the patent on the notch back in November 2016.
Way before the essential was announced.
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...and-carplay-with-turn-by-turn-navigation.html
 
Wireless charging will always be slower or more inefficient, and the chargers always larger - and of course, since they or what charges them are ultimately plugged in anyway, just how wireless it all is can be questioned.

And Bluetooth, even the latest incarnation, is neither as fast nor as versatile as a wired connection, and is probably no easier to implement for unusual peripherals.

However, USB-C is very nearly as small as Lightening, faster for data, capable of the fastest charging, and USB is perhaps more readily extensible for both peripherals and applications than Bluetooth. That would make life easier for everyone, I think; and as long as Apple peripherals give quality for premium price, I doubt they really need lock-in to assure profits.
 
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