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THe M2 pro/max should come with the new 3nm otherwise the difference will be even smaller than it is between M1 and M2
 
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I've been holding off replacing my 2012 mini on the hope they stick the m2 chip in the basic mini. My 2012 will stop getting security updates for Catalina this fall so I guess I'll wait and see what happens. Hate to buy a 2 year old design since I hang onto my gear as long as possible.
I use a headless 2012 Mini (i7) as a music streamer and it's still amazingly capable (I added RAM and replaced the HDD with an SSD years ago).

I just bought a base model M1 Mini from the Apple refurb store to try it out alongside the 2018 Mini (i7) that I use(d) as my desktop Mac and it absolutely lives up to all the hype (I wasn't sceptical so much as I wanted to get as much use out of the 2018 Mini since it cost almost as much as a base Mac Studio 😳).

I'll wipe the 2018 Mini, sell it, wait patiently for the M2 Mini for my desktop and replace the 2012 Mini with the M1 Mini.
 
The new HomePod will have an updated display on top and there's even been some talk of multi-touch functionality

Not seeing the point of this. It's really hard to see the display of the current HP in almost any setup. Would I need to stand next to it to see the screen (and use multi-touch)...
Now, if the screen is at 45 degrees it makes more sense.

Also, let's talk price. 199? More than that will be a hard sell, like the original one.
 
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Yes, all this is the same stuff slung at every "next tier" discussion.

I saw the same stuff last time: "No support of 4K, no financial or technical reason, 4K TVs are only in a faction of households, etc." I could just go back in time before there was a 4K AppleTV and get paragraphs of "our" rationale why Apple didn't need to make an 4K AppleTV before they did... and go back further to the time before there was a 1080p AppleTV, grab the same pile of why nobody needs a 1080p AppleTV... then change a few number references, update "the chart" with different numbers and lay in maybe 20 paragraphs as to why an 8K version is not needed.
The jump from 1080p to 4K is clearly visible. The jump from 4K to 8k much less so. And in the end an AppleTV needs to be connected to an 8k-capable display (a.k.a. TV). When Apple launched the aTV 4K, 4K TV’s were widely available and affordable. I don’t see a similar situation for 8k TV’s, not even in 3-4 years from now.

So unless Apple would ponder to enter the TV market with an 8k model, an 8k aTV makes no sense simply due to lack of (affordable) 8k TV availability. And if Apple would indeed ponder to release an 8k TV, it’d make no sense to attach a separate aTV box to it, as they could instead integrate the functionality from the very beginning.

My bet is on their headset instead. No more lugging around heavy and bulky flat screens, optically dominating the living room. Just put on the iGlasses (or whatever they’ll name ‘em) and enjoy a virtual 4K/8K screen wherever you want.

When tube monitors and TV’s became too unwieldy, a new technology stepped in (flat screens) and allowed for much better devices with a greater diagonal at a fraction of the weight/bulk. Flat screen tech is now approaching a similar junction imho.
 
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I wonder if there will be enough room for M2 Pro in a Mac mini, in terms of pricing. I had thought what Apple might do is keep the M1 at the low end, and then introduce M2 in the mid-range, sort of like what they did with the MacBook Air (although the MacBook Air is a different kettle of fish, since it got an all new form factor).
On a MBP 14” it’s $200 to upgrade from M1 Pro to Max, plus $400 for the compulsory upgrade to 32GB RAM. So, start with the $2000 Studio, take off $600 and you get $1400 for a M1 Pro Studio/Mini. Maybe $1200 for a binned 8 core M1. That‘s pretty much in the price range of the current Intel i5/i7 Minis which this would “replace”. Pretty crude reasoning, but makes it look plausible that there would be a spot in the range.

As for keeping the M1 as entry level - not sure that the market for desktops is big enough to support that sort of overlap - the MBA/13” MBP sell in far higher numbers.
 
The jump from 1080p to 4K is clearly visible. The jump from 4K to 8k much less so. And in the end an AppleTV needs to be connected to an 8k-capable display (a.k.a. TV). When Apple launched the aTV 4K, 4K TV’s were widely available and affordable. I don’t see a similar situation for 8k TV’s, not even in 3-4 years from now.

So unless Apple would ponder to enter the TV market with an 8k model, an 8k aTV makes no sense simply due to lack of (affordable) 8k TV availability. And if Apple would indeed ponder to release an 8k TV, it’d make no sense to attach a separate aTV box to it, as they could instead integrate the functionality from the very beginning.

My bet is on their headset instead. No more lugging around heavy and bulky flat screens, optically dominating the living room. Just put on the iGlasses (or whatever they’ll name ‘em) and enjoy a virtual 4K/8K screen wherever you want.

When tube monitors and TV’s became too unwieldy, a new technology stepped in (flat screens) and allowed for much better devices with a greater diagonal at a fraction of the weight/bulk. Flat screen tech is now approaching a similar junction imho.
But here’s the underlying problem with both 4K and 8K, it’s the content. Unless Apple wants to create their own content in both formats then it really is slim pickings. I am not aware of any TV broadcasters here in the US or abroad who are transmitting their signal in 4K.

Most of the 4K stuff comes from Netflix and Apple to a smaller extent but it’s still not the norm. It is why I still use my 4th gen Apple TV I purchased in 2015. I bought a couple of 4K Chromecast‘s and pretty much everything is either 1080P or 4:3.
 
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Hmm.. can't help but notice the lack of a Quote on the Mac Mini with M2........perhaps because once again this guy knows nothing and is bull crapping everyone to get time on media sites such as this.
Gurman used to be pretty much on it until he made his move to Bloomberg. Up to that point he had a pretty good track record.
 
I’m holding out for an m12 Turbo Max Extreme Banshee butt kickin Fireripper in a mini form factor with upgradable parts for around $500.. am I asking too much?
 
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Yes, all this is the same stuff slung at every "next tier" discussion.

I saw the same stuff last time: "No support of 4K, no financial or technical reason, 4K TVs are only in a faction of households, etc." I could just go back in time before there was a 4K AppleTV and get paragraphs of "our" rationale why Apple didn't need to make an 4K AppleTV before they did... and go back further to the time before there was a 1080p AppleTV, grab the same pile of why nobody needs a 1080p AppleTV... then change a few number references, update "the chart" with different numbers and lay in maybe 20 paragraphs as to why an 8K version is not needed.

Similarly, I could make a great case that iPhone 13 is beyond "good enough" too... that M1 Macs are beyond "good enough" etc too... but we see much less of that kind of thinking with other Apple hardware. Instead, we hunger for more, more, more there. Just this ONE thing seems to get this "good enough" (in the format Apple currently has for sale right now) sentiment right up until Apple rolls out the next generation... and then it takes over as "good enough." It seems Apple is never called out as wrong when they roll out the next tier before all of the rationale we offer each other as to why that tier is not needed is addressed. The only apparent wrong is us consumers desiring something that Apple is not yet selling. Apparently, there's no need for any such thing for anyone until Apple makes it for sale.

As to your guess at timing, I agree. AppleTV getting updated again so relatively soon after the last update makes me think he's predicting far too early. In my recall, the next tier cameras need to exist for upwards of a generation of iPhone and then arrive in iPads before AppleTV gets some tangible upgrade love. So my guess would also be 2+ years out... not this year.

But I'll welcome it either way. Better hardware must lead all other things. Then software can be released to take advantage of it. It doesn't ever work the other way.
Actually, apple was ridiculed by fans of the competitors in the marketplace because they were so slow to adopt 4K in its AppleTV.

Offering an 8k version means sourcing some new or different components that reduce the margin for exactly no reason aside from just because. That’s probably years of profit they’d be leaving on the table by the time an 8k atv really makes any sense.

That’s not the Tim Cook (Apple) way
 
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3 nm volume manufacturing isn’t until the second half of 2023, so don’t expect 3 nm Macs until fall 2023 or sometime in 2024.

So, M2 Pro/Max won’t be 3 nm.
are you sure? who lied to you? TSMC says otherwise (N3E is planned for second half 2023) ..you have people inside the manufacture ? ma man !! give me hi five
"TSMC's first 3 nm-class node is called N3 and this one is on track to start high volume manufacturing (HVM) in the second half of this year"
So stop misleading people, do a little research before :)
 

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are you sure? who lied to you? TSMC says otherwise (N3E is planned for second half 2023) ..you have people inside the manufacture ? ma man !! give me hi five
"TSMC's first 3 nm-class node is called N3 and this one is on track to start high volume manufacturing (HVM) in the second half of this year"
I guess it depends on what you read. Tape outs and risk production don't count. And Apple's "volume production" is an entirely different matter from what some claim volume production is. Remember, A16 is not going to be 3 nm.
 
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I wonder what chip will be used if apple decided to release apple tv 8k
Well…
Apple didn’t add 1080P to the Apple TV until 2012, years after it became the standard.
Apple didn’t introduce 4K to the Apple TV until 2017, a good four or so years after it started to become a more Standard feature.
Given that only around 0.15% of TVs sold in 2021 were 8K, plus The fact that outside of Japan 8K content is close to nonexistent, I don’t think you’re going to see it in an Apple TV any time soon, if ever
 
3 nm volume manufacturing isn’t until the second half of 2023
do you know what are you even writing?
You are saying 3nm volume isnt until second half 2023 ...TSMC says second half of 2022
I/we trust TSMC more than you :))
So read what i said...its clear you miss-understood and miss-leading the tech people
 
I've been holding off replacing my 2012 mini on the hope they stick the m2 chip in the basic mini. My 2012 will stop getting security updates for Catalina this fall so I guess I'll wait and see what happens. Hate to buy a 2 year old design since I hang onto my gear as long as possible.
I just replaced my 2011 mini with an M1 mini. OMFG, it is such a huge improvement! If you want to wait until the M2 mini is out, go ahead, but even if you got the M1 mini today, you would be much happier with it. It reboots in about 8 seconds.
 
I’m hoping that the HomePod will be in two version one with display and one without.
Two HomePods beside my tv don’t need display
 
do you know what are you even writing?
You are saying 3nm volume isnt until second half 2023 ...TSMC says second half of 2022
I/we trust TSMC more than you :))
So read what i said...its clear you miss-understood and miss-leading the tech people
You don't seem to understand what volume production means. I had edited my post above, but you may not have seen it, so I'll repeat it here. Apple "volume production" is an entirely different matter from press release "volume production". Just about nobody thinks Apple's A16 will be in N3. I have not yet seen a single analyst anywhere claim that A16 will be 3 nm.

 
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I’m hoping that you can pair the alleged new HomePods with the OG HomePods and thus creating a enhanced immersive experience .
 
I just hope that either the Apple TV or the new Homepod includes a 3.5mm jack!
  • For the Apple TV: I would love to connect it to my external speakers and don't want to rely on Bluetooth as it introduces latency and it is an overall pathetic experience
  • For the Homepod: This would also help eliminate latency, especially when connected to a computer and you are watching streaming video content, where latency can significantly ruin the experience!
C'mon Apple! We all know that wireless is the future, but sometimes, having a wired connection as another option isn't the end of the world!
 
I've been holding off replacing my 2012 mini on the hope they stick the m2 chip in the basic mini. My 2012 will stop getting security updates for Catalina this fall so I guess I'll wait and see what happens. Hate to buy a 2 year old design since I hang onto my gear as long as possible.
I think the last update for Mojave was in May?:rolleyes:
 
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