Likely not, though communication rather breaks down when one prescribes different meanings to words common to the rest of us.
Yes, and we can thank you for leading by superlative example on this point.
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Gurman: Apple Planning to Show Ads in Maps App Starting Next Year
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The point being made here is that your attempt to excuse Apple for looking to add search ads to Maps by stating they are being "forced" to do so because of upcoming EU regulations is nonsense. Yes, I understand that point.
Apple freely got into search ads years ago and it's logical that they would've expanded that business if proven successful (as it has been) regardless of outside forces.
Maybe apple wouldn’t be so gung-ho to tap Apple Maps market if they weren’t forced to forfeit $$$.
I thank you for the witty repartee. We’ll see how this all turns out and if apple meets their goal of triple the revenue.
Oh I know the meaning of benevolent. Apple doesn’t fit in at all. Apple is not benevolent at all.
Hopefully not, otherwise it only serves to incentivize Apple to further spread the ad-cancer.
I expect them to innovate or increase the price of their products. And according to apple they aren’t going to lose billions but user security. The AppStore is run at a loss allegedly
Adware is definitionally spyware. I can’t disable their adds.
It’s not black and white. You just seem to support any de apple does irrespective if it’s good or bad for consumers as long as it’s potentially good for the shareholders you support it
If apple continues down this path I would dump my apple gear If I could. But so far they are the least bad and no other option exists. So I opt for modifying my software instead to remove it from the system and make it user friendly.
And I will push my politicians to make this a very unprofitable venture to hopefully push apple out of the add space( don’t know how yet)
Becoming like google
Means you start treating customers as goods you sell. You pivot to adware instead of hardware.
Apple didn’t have a gun to their temples to force them to sell adds. They aren’t at the brink of collapse. Loosing perhaps 1% of their revenue forced them?
I’m not sure where the meme came from that the apple ecosystem was supposed to be an ad-free zone. Additionally I love how internet posters play fast and loose with someone else’s money.
However, fast forward today and it seems apples hand IS forced.
The one thing that stops me from using Apple Maps is their search. If I copy an address from a web site and it includes the country, then Apple Maps cannot find it.
It came from apple's hard stance on privacy as a selling point. Their numerous comments against google and Facebook
And the reality is, better working adds only work when user data is compromised and abused for targeted advertisement. There is no middle ground. And it's a fact, adds worsens the user experience.
Apple's hand isn't forced in any stretch of the imagination and would know what you mean apple are forced. Apple's bottom line isn't threatened.
The only effect apple would suffer if they didn't enter the ad space is profitability in their service growth.
Apple could expand their business in a million different direction that isn't adds, we don't Ned a second google.
Just how google terminated project Dragonfly after internal revolt and public pressure, we need the same with apple's add direction.
Google exited the Chinese market on principles of "Don't be evil", then they wanted to go back in just to make more money contrary to their principle they removed of the same year of the project.
Hopefully, the Digital markets act and Digital Services act will kneecap apple's ambitions in the ad space quicker than they tries to start it.
I just started using apple map and I'm really happy with it. it's fast and accurate
Which takes us back to my previous question that you still haven't answered. If you truly believe Apple is being "forced" to potentially add search ads to Maps then what "forced" them to do the same thing with the App Store six years ago? You act like search ads or ads in general are a new thing for Apple and they are only considering them because they are being "forced" to do so. The reality is that they've been using ads for years. The other reality is that Apple has been seeking ways to expand/increase revenue for the company since the 1970s.
Going forward, are you going to blame the EU or other regulations for every (unpopular) profit seeking move Apple makes? I suppose when Apple raises prices, places ads on more of their apps, etc., your typical response will be "Don't blame Apple, they were FORCED to do it."
Privacy and ads are not mutually exclusive.
So your suggesting apple has lousy ads? Worse user experience doesn’t impact privacy, it impacts sales.
Yes it is.
I like how people play fast and loose with others’ money.
Need the ads to offset the revenue loses due to eu regulations.
Why don’t you give them the money to do so?
Maybe tell the EU to retract this legislation.
Great what do you want apple to do? I’m glad people are annoyed at apple. Vote with your $$$ and dump your apple gear. That will show them.
EU making changes to benefit its citizens (the opposite of America) = Americans hating EU
How is that moving the goalposts? What was the initial qualifying metric (initial goal location) and what was the qualifying metric changed to (where were the posts moved to). I don't think you understand what moving the goal posts even means.
As it stands you've posited that the reason Apple is adding ads to Maps is to make up for losses due to new EU regulations. The evidence you've offered for this is a statement from Apple that they want to triple their advertising numbers. However you're acting as if your own supposition that the two are linked also somehow functions as evidence. A hypothesis is not evidence nor data. Meanwhile you proceed to ignore the evidence presented that Apple has put ads in the OS long before the new EU regs. You've also failed to come up with a reason for Apple implementing ads previously, outside of a simple desire to make more money. That being the reason previously, there's no justification to believe it's not also the reason this time. Your theory requires more assumptions and would be discounted by Occam's razor.
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Incorrect. I’ve posited the reason for apple declaring it wants to triple its ad revenue may be due to loss of revenue related to the EU regulations.
Edit: Apple maps is a fallout.
Edit 2: Occams razor theory would suggest I’m correct.
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And thus according to your theory Maps ads is a mechanism by which they hope to achieve the goal of tripling ad revenue. Half a dozen of one, six of the other...
Nope, because your theory requires more assumptions.
We thought i was for the user, but its really short for investorOS
Nope that’s your theory.
Nope, only one assumption. Apple will lose billions.
The discussion was about Apple and their reasons behind search ads. My question was about Apple and their reasons behind search ads. How in the world is that "moving the goalposts"?
It's logical to conclude that the reasons Apple got into the search ads business in 2016 would be similar to, especially given the success, the reasons for wanting to expand now. A reason Apple is now hoping to triple ad revenue is because they have been able to see the success of its ads business so far and want to further capitalize on that success. Given all of this, ad business expansion was going to happen regardless of any EU regulations.
However, all of this seems to contradict your belief that they are suddenly being FORCED to consider adding more search ads because of upcoming EU regulations. Hence my relevant, not moving the goalposts question.
You seem pretty convinced that Apple is being FORCED to potentially add search ads to Maps specifically because of upcoming EU regulations yet Apple has been using search ads for years. If Apple is being FORCED now, were they also being FORCED then?
The fact is apple states in 2010:
He set out the bold ambition that iAd would compete with Google to capture 50% of the mobile-ad market.
They then had 6% of the market. Now they have about 20% after they made addspace stricter on iOS as they can abuse their first party data.
They effectively compete by lowering everyone’s standard down to their level forcefully.
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And they already tripled their add revenue by doing their act.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2021/10/17/apple-tripled-its-ad-market-share-after-blocking-c/
The mountain of evidence points to this being just an ongoing process