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I really don't understand all that people whining about underwhelming updates. What do they expect? Radically new hardware and software every other year? I'm on a mid 2015 MBP that won't run Ventura and will soon be obsolete, so the upcoming M2 MBP is the device for me to look at. Hence, I'm happy it's coming, however incremental de update might be compared to the M1 MBP. For me it will be a huge leap forward.
Yeah, but there are people, who upgrade their hardware every year. Hell, they would every month (or week), if the could. Maybe you heard the phrase "first world problems".
 
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Yeah, but there are people, who upgrade their hardware every year. Hell, they would every month (or week), if the could. Maybe you heard the phrase "first world problems".
Yep, first world problems. I guess that's what it is. And I admit: if I had the money, I would probably update every year. But that's still no reason to expect spectacular changes with each new update. Innovation takes time.
 
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Yep, first world problems. I guess that's what it is. And I admit: if I had the money, I would probably update every year. But that's still no reason to expect spectacular changes with each new update. Innovation takes time.
Of course. But these people refuse to understand and don't even care. They want more, more, more.
 
It’s the cheapest Mac, and very consumer oriented, don’t hold your breath for more ports. If you need more, they clearly want you to buy the Studio.
And frankly, knowing Apple, I’m surprised there’s still ethernet, USB A and audio jack.
Its a desktop computer, just plug a port in the back. No reason to stump up to a Studio just to get more ports.
 
I'm kinda glad that the iPad reveals were kinda ho-hum. Eventually I'm in the market for a new one.

But this means that it's possible the Mac mini might get bumped up enough to replace one of my Wintel PCs. An M2 Pro-based mini might just be good enough, though I'd love an M2 Max version.

Now, if only someone out there would make some software Apple Silicon based RAID-ish software that could replace my Stablebit Drivepool array. Sure, plenty of RAID out there, but mine is a JBOD array with a wide range of physical disk sizes and does file duplication for redundancy. Everything I see out there means that, if you start with, say 8TB drives, you're stuck with them. My array has everything from old 4TB drives up to 10TB.

Someday I hope to be down to a single Windows PC for unique use cases.
 
Its a desktop computer, just plug a port in the back. No reason to stump up to a Studio just to get more ports.
I have one and it's not that simple at all.
Dongles and hubs suck, they're not remotely as reliable as just having another port. Never found one that never disconnects something sometimes for no reason.
Power on the Mac Mini is already pretty limited with actual ports, you need powered hubs but those also often behave weirdly.
I wouldn't spend all the extra money just for the ports if there were no other benefits but there's a reason why "pro" models have more ports.
Professionals need reliability and not a "patch" to fix the lack of ports. As you said, it's a desktop computer, just buy a bigger one with more ports, especially if it's an asset for your society/profession and not a personal expense.
...and this is why I think if the Mac Mini ever gets redesigned, it'll have just 4 USB C like the iMac. It's weird that they keep it so pro-friendly right now, since it's so cheap.
 
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There are always those Mac users who have to have the latest and greatest and sell their gear to buy it, but if the M2 MBP delivers just a 15-18% bump in performance without much more, I think most folks will gratefully hang on to their M1 Pro/Max machines.

It feels like Apple is trying to sell as many Studios and 24" iMacs as possible before putting out any major form-factor releases, like a 27"+ iMac (Pro), Mac Pro, Mini M2 Pro, etc. that would draw off sales from those who just can't wait.

It's not a bad lineup right now, but the full ARM roll-out is starting to drag out a bit. Apple promised a 2-year window and that included a Mac Pro.
 
It'll be an M2 spec bump and nothing else.
And even not a really big one. Apple just added two more CPU and six more GPU cores. At the moment I am on a 2016 intel MBP 15" and my it department gave me a deadline until 31th of October to order my new device. Delivery time doesn't matter it just has to be available in the apple store. So I hope until then a M2 Max MBP is available :D
If I can have something better then the M1 Max why not wait the few days, even it is only about 10-20% faster ;)
If not the M1 Max will be miles ahead of my old intel Mac in case of video / audio editing :)
 
So... the Mac Pro. Supposedly, this is going to be a devastatingly overkill machine with upper-end specs that the non-ARM competitors are going to have to work hard to match. Interestingly, the 1.5TB RAM capabilities (do machines with that amount of RAM in them even exist in the wild?) has been deleted, although the current batch of machines show very well that huge amounts of RAM aren't needed to be an effective powerhouse. BUT, as a plugged in desktop machine that is going to be used by top-end pros who probably don't even consider such a thing, why does it have efficiency cores when they could all be balls-to-the-wall performance cores? What am I reading wrong?
 
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Single core will probably be the same as the other M2s, because thats how the M1s were, but I think the multicore improvements will be decently more than the regular M2s. The MBP's fans will also help maintain the performance.
Yeah and this would be completely unsurprising to me. They make most of their money from laptops, so putting all the focus on single threaded performance (which, folks should be aware, the lowest single thread performance in this line is still in the top 20 single threaded performance OF ALL TIME) and then providing additional cores for multi core performance makes sense to me.
 
Since we’re a society obsessed with convenience and mobility that would be fact. Still convenience and mobility doesn’t solve everyone’s computer needs. ;)
You’re right, just like there are still mainframes running out there, there are still new desktops being bought, roughly 66 MILLION systems last year! It’s just that laptops sold roughly 275 million systems. As Apple’s always going to be a sliver of the entire market, so, focusing on a sliver of 275 million systems yields selling a lot more systems than focusing on a sliver of 66 million systems. It’s one of those things that, once I realized it, a LOT of actions Apple’s taking falls into place. The “missing” 27 inch iMac, for example.
 
I truly can't understand the obsession with black. It is the most boring color, and everyone loves it. How???

Say what you want, but I've seen people use foldables in real life. They're awesome.
So did everyone - recall the flip-phone era? ;)
 
I truly can't understand the obsession with black. It is the most boring color, and everyone loves it. How???
I think it looks nice, but also I never get tired of it or white. If I get something blue or green or red, I'll eventually get tired of the color. It is a "safe" color at least for me.
 
Its a desktop computer, just plug a port in the back. No reason to stump up to a Studio just to get more ports.
The reason to jump up to a Studio rather than simply adding ports via docks is for A) the heat management and to a lesser extent B) the convenience of having less of the kludge of multiple dongles/docks. Users needing lots of ports are probably also running workflows that cause a Mini to produce more heat.

Hardware misperforming or failing due to being worked harder than engineered for makes Apple look bad. Apple likely feels the need to encourage users to use lower end Apple hardware in a responsible manner. Limiting the ports, limiting the RAM and/or limiting the number of displays that can be driven by Apple's low end desktop Minis is intended to guide users up to a more heat-appropriate box the Studio.
 
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It'll be an M2 spec bump and nothing else.
Statements like that suggest that Apple's engineers did very little for the year between M1 and M2, which is very untrue. IMO you underestimate the M1 to M2 differences, including A) M2 is an improved chip, physically larger with more transistors; B) intangibles that make life nicer over the 3-6 year life of a new box. [the below summarizes my earlier commentary]

•M2 is the evolved generation of M1's spectacular performance achievements and will have thousands of lines of cleaned up code, etc. under the hood.
• M2 is a year newer and always will be. Buyers of M1 today will always be ~a year further behind the tech curve than buyers of M2 today; M1 will reach EOL a year sooner.
• Improved internal specs like WiFi 6E or whatever may present (perhaps not the "design/color changes" many here seem to desire).
• Expected M2 performance improvement is actually quite a bit given how good M1 are.
 
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You’re right, just like there are still mainframes running out there, there are still new desktops being bought, roughly 66 MILLION systems last year! It’s just that laptops sold roughly 275 million systems. As Apple’s always going to be a sliver of the entire market, so, focusing on a sliver of 275 million systems yields selling a lot more systems than focusing on a sliver of 66 million systems. It’s one of those things that, once I realized it, a LOT of actions Apple’s taking falls into place. The “missing” 27 inch iMac, for example.
I have a 24” iMac and find it as easy to relocate as laptop almost. The last 27” iMac design was always a lot heavier/awkward to carry, particularly when walking to the store to get it fixed. I had hoped the new design would have been similar, just larger, way lighter, and the display was edge to edge like the 2021 14”/16” MBP displays. That would meant it could have offered a 29.5” display in the same space. Then we ended up with the Studio Display which created many rumors about it being a save face with larger iMac development that wasn’t released. To this day we are wondering what it might have been like if this had gone to marketplace after Apple stop selling 27” Intel iMacs seven months ago.
 
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