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Gurman: Apple Still Working on 'Pro' iMac With Larger Screen

Bug-Creator said:
I never said SJ was consistent in those matters, but there was a time when it was iBook/iMac (consumer) and PowerBook/PowerMac (Pro).

As for your list, so? Today Apple offers 4 different desktops (not counting the Intel Minis as a separate line) and I don't think there was ever much overlap with 3 sizes of iMacs.

Apple could sell iMac in 4 sizes, a MacMini with MxPro AND a Studio with MxPro (aka no thermal throttling just as with the M1 MacBookPro and Air), a MacPro that goes down to M1Max but offers internal upgrades and so on.

But that is kinda what they did before Jobs came back.
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The problem isn't so much with the number of products, rather than with their focus.
You can sell a lot of products while keeping them focused for their userbase, and you can sell 3 products without focus when only 1 could suffice.
An example? M2 13" MBP (and even the M1 before it). Utterly pointless, and still they have just released it.
Offering both the Studio and the Mini with the same chip would be pointless as well.
But selling an iMac in 2 size wouldn't be pointless, because there are so many people that are used to a 27" and want to upgrade without spending $3500 for a whole system. It's as simple as that.
 
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ascender said:
Who knows what the iMac Pro would even be now. If they released a larger version of the M1 iMac, but with the M1 Pro chip in it (for argument's sake), that might take away a lot of potential customers for an iMac Pro.

Not to mention the Mac Studio and Studio Display/XDR combo has also taken away some of those customers for whom an iMac Pro might have been an option (I count myself as one of them).

How could they differentiate a standalone iMac Pro from the rest of their lineup - other than it being an all-in-one machine obviously?

The iMac Pro was a much-loved machine by those of us who bought it, but it was a short-term fix until the Mac Pro came along and the M1 chips have since addressed a lot of the other shortcomings in the Intel-based lineup which made people buy the iMac Pro.
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And they got all of the sheep to buy an expensive computer that basically does exactly the same thing as the laptop for a few hundred dollars difference, with no keyboard and no screen.

Apple is really..REALLY good at finding a sucker.
 
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BrightDarkSky said:
They could have easily made a 27-in version with the same old 5K screens from last time. But nope greedy Apple does greedy things. Let's just make it nice and thin slap some colors on it and watch the unfortunate Dum dums who thinks this is what they need.

Sad thing is it is a great computer at its core, but apples greed in terms of storage and RAM just destroys all of it.

It sounds like you're saying if you're a pro user, just bend over and take it. You're probably Apple's favorite customer in here. Congratulations. What a well-informed consumer not really
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Yes, that‘s almost what I‘m saying: If you‘re a pro user who needs a 6k 32“ display, there is an option right now. It‘s expensive but if you really really need it (for your work) then you should be able to afford it. Otherwise you don’t really need it and shouldn’t buy it.
 
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gpat said:
An example? M2 13" MBP (and even the M1 before it). Utterly pointless, and still they have just released it.
Offering both the Studio and the Mini with the same chip would be pointless as well.
But selling an iMac in 2 size wouldn't be pointless, because there are so many people that are used to a 27" and want to upgrade without spending $3500 for a whole system. It's as simple as that.
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Guess what, Apple knows the M1/2 MBP is pointless but somehow they still sold/sell enough of them to make a profit over almost no development cost.

Guess again, Apple knows there is a market for a bigger iMac and I'm sure they have a pretty good idea on how releasing or not releasing one will impact their bottom line.

Hint: If your calls are getting ignored you might just be part of a vocal minority.
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
I suspect a LOT of enthusiasm for iMac 27" is in the value proposition of great Mac with great screen starting below $2K.
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You nailed it. Apple has given its customers the all-in-one, but it’s not as good of a value proposition because the screen is 3” smaller. Apple has an option for people who want the 27” with either a high or low end Mx processor, but it’s not an all-in-one.

The best thing to do is just “get over it” and buy what you need, when you need it, based on what’s available.
 
Bug-Creator said:
Guess what, Apple knows the M1/2 MBP is pointless but somehow they still sold/sell enough of them to make a profit over almost no development cost.

Guess again, Apple knows there is a market for a bigger iMac and I'm sure they have a pretty good idea on how releasing or not releasing one will impact their bottom line.

Hint: If your calls are getting ignored you might just be part of a vocal minority.
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So we both agree that Apple is putting their profit before the user satisfaction.
I unironically hope you at least own a good size of Apple stocks since you're defending this stance. If so, good for you.
 
gpat said:
But selling an iMac in 2 size wouldn't be pointless, because there are so many people that are used to a 27" and want to upgrade without spending $3500 for a whole system. It's as simple as that.
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right-tee-o:) but Apple is a profit monster and will overprice it, make it so ram can't be added and charge like crazy for HD space. I will hang with this 2015 iMac until it can't be repaired anymore, lol.
 
gpat said:
So we both agree that Apple is putting their profit before the user satisfaction.
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So how many user aren't "satisfied"? How many "unsatisfied" users does it need to force Apple to make them their special Mac? How much profits is Apple allowed to make?

For the past 15 years I was kinda annoyed for Apple not offering a proper desktop. What did I do? I bought a 2006 MacMini that was to weak. I bought a 2010 iMac that I never liked. I bought a used 2010 MacPro that was overkill for my needs. And then I bought a base model Studio which is about 90% of what I wanted all the way back in 2006.

And no never came it my mind that Apple "owed" me my perfect Mac.
 
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Makes no sense. You can buy the thing now with the Studio. And if the screen isn't big enough for Pros, the minimum outlay/maximum profit solution for Apple would to just sell a 32" display.
 
wallaby said:
You nailed it. Apple has given its customers the all-in-one, but it’s not as good of a value proposition because the screen is 3” smaller. Apple has an option for people who want the 27” with either a high or low end Mx processor, but it’s not an all-in-one.

The best thing to do is just “get over it” and buy what you need, when you need it, based on what’s available.
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It’s also hideously looking with its white bezels…
 
Studio doesn’t live up to all its expectations. It’s too noisy for starters. Screen leaves a lot to be desired. Enough said
 
so 24" standard and 30" pro? i dont want to be a pro. i want just to replace my imac 27 2019 with an apple silicon imac with same (or above) screen size! no fu*+ing way ill buy an overpriced PRO! ill rather get a mac mini with a cheap 4k monitor (no fu*+ing way also, ill buy an overpriced apple monitor of course)!
 
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I have the 2019 iMac 27” and really don’t know what my next computer will be. the new 24” is too small, but I’m also thinking of just doing a notebook and monitor combo.

anyone else in a similar boat? I barely use my iMac now and when I do it’s just for internet, music and photos.

maybe the future 15” MBA and Studio Display combo?

I think a 16” MBP would be overkill for me.
 
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He thinks the Mac Studio, which allows you to use any screen of any size that you want, doesn't work for people who want a larger screen? But a pro iMac, with a fixed screen size that can't upgraded... does?
 
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AlexisV said:
Makes no sense. You can buy the thing now with the Studio. And if the screen isn't big enough for Pros, the minimum outlay/maximum profit solution for Apple would to just sell a 32" display.
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Irregardless of the configurations you can buy its still going to be $1999 baseline for the studio without a display. It's the $1599 for a studio display that borders on being ridiculous compared to what it should have been priced at. Sure you can substitute the older $699 4K LG display via Apple, but has no appeal if you want a 5K. There were also 32" mini-LED displays becoming available around $1700 which are more appealing also. Centerstage with a desktop display is not really important compared to holding a mobile device like a iPad. I don't think Apple has won that many people over even with all the positives the Studio series represents.
 
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Lounge vibes 05 said:
Just as it always has been, “Pro” is simply a marketing term for “better than the basic one.”
The MacBook Pro is bigger, faster, made out of more premium materials then the Air or the old MacBook.
The iPad Pro is bigger, faster, better than the iPad, Mini or Air.
The iMac Pro was faster than the iMac.
The iPhone 13Pro is better than the 13.
The AirPods Pro have more features than the AirPods.
That’s all it means
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And the M1pro is worse than 3 other processors, the max, the ultra and whatever the new Mac Pro will ship with lol
 
SpotOnT said:
I really don't see Apple releasing both an iMac Pro and the Mac Studio. Maybe they are just waiting to see how sales go to decide which one to go with.
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Why? One is an all in one with a built in monitor and the other is just a computer. I fail to see why you think they’re similar products.
 
Why wouldn’t Apple bump it up to a 30 inch display since the thinner bezels will effectively make it have the same dimensions as an old 27 inch? Is 3 inches worth having a separate “Pro” model?
 
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With the mac studio / studio display concept (and even the very capable mini's) it doesn't seem like an all-in-one for pros has a place anymore.
 
If true then it will interesting to see how they price it, given the Mac Studio + Studio Display combo is $3,600. That's still far cheaper than the original iMac Pro ($5k) with more powerful hardware, so I guess it will all come down to the demand for an all-in-one solution.

My guess here is that the real demand for all-in-ones isn't from professionals, but consumers and prosumers. Those are the users who likely appreciate clean setups more, and the need to upgrade hardware will be far less frequent. Conversely, for work environments where Macs need to keep up with the latest specs, it would be more beneficial for the business to upgrade the display or computer as and when needed.

Further, a larger iMac of consumer focus - with M3 - would still be a very capable machine for most people.
 
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