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Gurman: Apple Working on New Monitors, Including Updated Pro Display XDR

ninethirty said:
You have low standards then, and so do the people who upvote your comment as if I'm making this up somehow. It's extremely well documented, including on this site.
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My standards are low? Really? Why so hostile? Do you feel better after insulting me?

As I said previously, three times now, mine works fine. And I think my standards are also fine being a photographer (it's easy to see the photos I post here everyday).


"and so do the people who upvote your comment as if I'm making this up somehow"

No one is accusing you of making anything up. Relax.
 
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ninethirty said:
You have low standards then, and so do the people who upvote your comment as if I'm making this up somehow. It's extremely well documented, including on this site.
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Why do you care so much about crapping on someone being happy with their purchase? Because you read technical reviews that say it doesn't perform as well as other cameras? Who cares?

It's sad.
 
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Mr Rib said:
Probably most people here want a "pro monitor" for web browsing (no offence - that's just reality of things), so here's a wishlist from an actual "pro" for a pro monitor to be as versatile and appealing as possible for a broad range of people working with visual stuff be it motion, design etc. For reference, I animate (traditionally), illustrate, design and do motion design. So yeah, I think this list will be pretty versatile.

- 30" in 16:9 format as this is the most versatile for us to work with. No ultra wide ********. Bigger than 30" apart from some film industry applications isnt really that useful so chill with that and dont go crazy. Bigger's not always better
- PPI > screen real estate. 300 PPI please. I want to see stuff 1:1 without scaling as it would be printed in current print standards.
- built-in calibration Eizo style.
- dont claim its a reference monitor and dont even try to do it - it's not going to happen below 25-30k anyway
- 120 Hz. We don't need anything more than that for work. But we do work 10h+ hours so a smooth experience is appreciated
- as wide color gamut as possible
- monitor incorporating technology that prevents burn in if it's OLED (preferably QD OLED or Mini LED with a ******** of dimming zones - in the perfect world Micro LED but we are not there yet). There's a ton of UI stuff that will always be in the same space as we all configure our workspaces according to our workflow
- for some people HDR capability may start to be important for content creation, especially if youtube incorporates this in its platform, but for now I'm on the fence about it (personally I don't need it but I'm trying to walk in other's shoes with this list as well)
- monitor available in both matte and glossy screen finish.
- CONNECTIVITY. A lot of it. And no, this doesnt mean 5 USB-C instead of 3. Include different, industry standard ports even if its not a reference monitor.
- No, we don't need a camera in a pro display.
- No, we don't need a microwave, a built in butler service or a disco ball
- VESA mount compatible, DETATCHABLE from the stand, with a stand that actually allows full control of the monitor including rotating it 90 deg.
I think this would be enough for a near perfect product :). That would be quite an expensive monitor - they could include a gradation of these features in 2 or 3 models so that pros from different fields and revenues are able to justify this expense. Bitching about pro item prices, if they are truly pro not just by name, makes little sense to me. It's a tool that is supposed to earn you money. It's NOT a consumer product and its not supposed to be used for web browsing. You don't pick an axe to kill a fly - there are better tools for that.
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Amen to all of this. People who complain about the XDR price don't seem to acknowledge the market it is in. Of course, I would love an XDR at $2k, but I also understand reality. This is a great list for the Pro XDR.
 
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I kept waiting for Apple to release an updated version of my 30" Apple Cinema HD Display. One without cameras or speakers and other bells & whistles. To me the present 32" XDR is not it - it's a Pro tool. I'd like to see something like the current Apple Studio Display, only in a larger size than 27" and with all of its bells & whistles removed.

Once upon a time, people who were prosumers but Not Pros could afford a 30" Cinema HD Display and a cheese grater Mac Pro. Those days seem long gone.

(In the meantime, I bought an LG 34BK95U-W 5K 34" UltraWide instead. Sorry Apple.)
 
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I love my Studio Display, but i'd rather have a smaller 24" version of it. Keep everything what makes it so great, like the Center Stage FaceTime camera, Dolby Atmos speakers, microphones, and USB-C ports, but at under $1000 please!
 
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powellb said:
Why do you care so much about crapping on someone being happy with their purchase? Because you read technical reviews that say it doesn't perform as well as other cameras? Who cares?

It's sad.
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Happy or not, the camera in the ASD is of extremely poor quality. Not mine, not someone else's. All of them.

Saying it's "fine" isn't accurate unless we're addressing low standards. The camera most certainly is not fine. I don't say that because I read technical reviews, it's because I use my camera on a daily basis, and every time I'm blown away by the potato quality for something that cost over $2,000.
 
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citysnaps said:
My standards are low? Really? Why so hostile? Do you feel better after insulting me?

As I said previously, three times now, mine works fine. And I think my standards are also fine being a photographer (it's easy to see the photos I post here everyday).


"and so do the people who upvote your comment as if I'm making this up somehow"

No one is accusing you of making anything up. Relax.
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You can read my response to the person above if you like. Nothing about the camera is "fine." The cameras on every other Apple device that I own are significantly better.
 
bowtohumphrey said:
The problem with Apple displays atm is the opposite. Their lower pricing means Apple has to cut costs to achieve arbitrary low price points. They should be making the very best products with no corners cut, whatever the final price to customers.
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LOL!
8GB M1 computers, Airpods with crappy batteries, and that dohickey to make an Apple Pencil work with the base iPad are great corner cutting practices.
 
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powellb said:
Why do you care so much about crapping on someone being happy with their purchase? Because you read technical reviews that say it doesn't perform as well as other cameras? Who cares?

It's sad.
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It's endemic on this forum and the internet in general. A lot of people can't feel good about themselves unless they're insulting another person.
 
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Icaras said:
I love my Studio Display, but i'd rather have a smaller 24" version of it. Keep everything what makes it so great, like the Center Stage FaceTime camera, Dolby Atmos speakers, microphones, and USB-C ports, but at under $1000 please!
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Same here. At the price it was a tough sell for me. But...there is nothing else comparable at that resolution and picture quality. The extra ports (very useful as I'm also driving three LG 4K 32" displays from my Mac Studio), speakers, camera, microphone came along for the ride.

Living in Lightroom processing photos, I just had to bite the bullet and move on. The XDR was way out of my budget.
 
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Bustycat said:
I want to see an 8K 120Hz (ProMotion) display via DisplayPort 2.1.
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Being able to run 4K w/ perfect 2x scaling on a 32-36" screen would be absolutely gorgeous. It'd be asking a lot to throw 120Hz on top of that, but if Apple did it, they'd be able to charge an absolute arm and a leg for it because nobody else will have anything even close to that on the market for a while. If they somehow pulled this off I wouldn't be surprised to see an $8k+ price tag on it.

Unfortunately there is no evidence of an 8K 120Hz panel being anywhere near production ready by any of the major manufacturers. There was a rumor that AUO was working on a 32" one, but I believe that's a fairly old rumor at this point and we've seen nothing else regarding it, which isn't promising.
 
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ninethirty said:
Happy or not, the camera in the ASD is of extremely poor quality. Not mine, not someone else's. All of them.

Saying it's "fine" isn't accurate unless we're addressing low standards. The camera most certainly is not fine. I don't say that because I read technical reviews, it's because I use my camera on a daily basis, and every time I'm blown away by the potato quality for something that cost over $2,000.
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The camera on the Studio Display is not really poor quality. It is a good ultra wide angle camera, the same as in the iPad Pro. the problem is that they then use Center Stage and crop the image to simulate panning. That is just not enough resolution to give good results when you do that. The added processing to adjust the wide angle distortions make it worse. I think the choice to use Center Stage was the problem. It is a feature that looks cool in a demo but I’m not sold on the utility and it obviously results in subpar video quality. Just a simple non ultra wide camera would work.

Even a built in mount for an iPhone using Continuity Camera might be a better option.
 
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hardwickj said:
Being able to run 4K w/ perfect 2x scaling on a 32-36" screen would be absolutely gorgeous. It'd be asking a lot to throw 120Hz on top of that, but if Apple did it, they'd be able to charge an absolute arm and a leg for it because nobody else will have anything even close to that on the market for a while. If they somehow pulled this off I wouldn't be surprised to see an $8k+ price tag on it.
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An 8k retina with typical Apple native pixel 2x monitor dpi (218 dpi) would be 42-43", possibly higher if they reduce DPI since you likely have to sit farther away. Can't speak to whether that is "perfect" scaling.
 
How did you get that math?

Edit: it would be exactly 40" screen (220dpi)
Edit2: it would be 34.5" screen if it had same dpi as MBP (254dpi)
dwaite said:
An 8k retina with typical Apple native pixel 2x monitor dpi (218 dpi) would be 42-43", possibly higher if they reduce DPI since you likely have to sit farther away. Can't speak to whether that is "perfect" scaling.
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Freida said:
How did you get that math?

Edit: it would be exactly 40" screen (220dpi)
Edit2: it would be 34.5" screen if it had same dpi as MBP (254dpi)
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It is unlikely to match the MBP as the typical viewing distance is longer for a full monitor than for a laptop. Just as the phone screens are higher dpi due to the shorter viewing distance. The XDR monitor uses 218dpi.
 
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hardwickj said:
Being able to run 4K w/ perfect 2x scaling on a 32-36" screen would be absolutely gorgeous. It'd be asking a lot to throw 120Hz on top of that, but if Apple did it, they'd be able to charge an absolute arm and a leg for it because nobody else will have anything even close to that on the market for a while. If they somehow pulled this off I wouldn't be surprised to see an $8k+ price tag on it.

Unfortunately there is no evidence of an 8K 120Hz panel being anywhere near production ready by any of the major manufacturers. There was a rumor that AUO was working on a 32" one, but I believe that's a fairly old rumor at this point and we've seen nothing else regarding it, which isn't promising.
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I wouldn't want 8k with 2x scaling on a 32", since that would give a very small UI, especially for such a large screen (78% of the size of the UI on a 5k 27"). I'd prefer 3x scaling, which would be 16% larger than that on a 5k 27".

Unfortunately, Mac OS doesn't currently do perfect 3x scaling, because of limitations in how MacOS works. Specifically, since HiDPI on MacOS is limited to a 2x framebuffer, 3:1 scaling would result in an undersampled desktop.

Alternately, if you want 218 ppi (and thus the same UI size as on the ASD and XDR with the default 2x scaling), you'd want a 40" screen with 8K UHD (7680 pixels).
 
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