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The only thing I want for icon control is to be able to do it on my Macbook. Dragging icons around from screen to screen in iOS or iPadOS SUCKS BALLS.

One of the many things we lost with iTunes. It wasn't great, but you could rearrange from the computer.

I think iMazing might still offer this.

Now, fix Launchpad. Talk about a painful experience dragging icons around.
 
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Assuming this will be up to the given app developers to enable? Would be very interesting if it’s a forced global option.

More customization is awesome, but I think about other major necessities like a keychain.app to compete against dedicated password managers etc

I make my users a Shortcut to the Passwords section of settings. It could use some improvements but I don't want them to "compete," they already make it annoying enough to use a third party password manager.

But the basic functionality to store logins and two factor tokens is all they need.
 
I make my users a Shortcut to the Passwords section of settings. It could use some improvements but I don't want them to "compete," they already make it annoying enough to use a third party password manager.

But the basic functionality to store logins and two factor tokens is all they need.

True, I get exactly what you mean with "compete" - they could severely hurt third party managers, and thus stifle innovation without fair competition.

The Shortcut is a very clever solution, but the problem I see is that the Passwords list in settings still lacks so much. No vault organization / granular sharing controls. No secure notes, or other non-password infos that need to be secured. 1Password is $5 per month for a family of up to 5. While I find it well worth the money, the truth is that Apple could easily build a more compelling product that integrates far more seamlessly. To some extent it already does, except for a number of features (some of which I mentioned above).

A dedicated keychain.app would solve all of the problems, and since I am a 1Password paying customer, I wouldn't mind if the app was locked into iCloud+ subscription bundle. I'm sure that would get major flack, but I suppose I am just desperate for a comprehensive and integrated solution. I am fully in the Apple Ecosystem and yet the current password implementation just doesn't do it for me.
 
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True, I get exactly what you mean with "compete" - they could severely hurt third party managers, and thus stifle innovation without fair competition.

The Shortcut is a very clever solution, but the problem I see is that the Passwords list in settings still lacks so much. No vault organization / granular sharing controls. No secure notes, or other non-password infos that need to be secured. 1Password is $5 per month for a family of up to 5. While I find it well worth the money, the truth is that Apple could easily build a more compelling product that integrates far more seamlessly. To some extent it already does, except for a number of features (some of which I mentioned above).

A dedicated keychain.app would solve all of the problems, and since I am a 1Password paying customer, I wouldn't mind if the app was locked into iCloud+ subscription bundle. I'm sure that would get major flack, but I suppose I am just desperate for a comprehensive and integrated solution. I am fully in the Apple Ecosystem and yet the current password implementation just doesn't do it for me.

I personally use Strongbox and paid the $80 for a lifetime license since it's so damn good. Only once did I find myself wanting something it didn’t do, and the developer added it for me shortly after asking for it.

The built in password manager is definitely not enough for a power user, but at least my users have something they can do when they have to have two factor.

I think Apple also assumes you would use Notes for secure notes. If, like Apple executives, everyone you know exclusively uses Apple devices extensively, it works.
 
FWIW, Google is now offering 7 years of updates.
Yes, that is what Google says. However, I’m not sure that is what will happen. Will the batteries in those devices last for seven years? I doubt it. Rather, I think what will happen is in four years, when the battery gives out, users will see the brand new devices, and newer features, and decide to buy a new device rather than replacing the battery in their old device. Or, Google will take a look at which devices are still operating 5 years from now and respond with “there aren’t enough people still using those old devices so we cannot justify continuing the code base”. It may have been nothing more than a marketing ploy to get more people to buy android devices. If you take a look at the Google graveyard, it appears that Google has trouble keeping their word.
 
I think people want to push icons down closer to their thumbs. Most people can’t reach the top row or two of a 12” pro max plus ultra iPhone.
Do those people not realize you can swipe down on the Dock of an iPhone and have the whole screen move down so they can reach the top rows of icons? I’m not sure what this feature is called, but it has been working on iPhones for a while.. it is very handy on my iPhone 13.
 
One of the many things we lost with iTunes. It wasn't great, but you could rearrange from the computer.

I think iMazing might still offer this.

Now, fix Launchpad. Talk about a painful experience dragging icons around.
You may be the only remaining user of Launchpad ;)
 
I never understood why people wanted to be able to put blank spaces on their home screens. Wouldn't you want your home screen filled with apps so you don't have to scroll home screens as much?
same. But i think people just like the idea of "choice", even if they don't use it like 90% of the features out there
 
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Apple innovating again! Android has only had this forever. Apple - Great Hardware, Mediocre Buggy Software, and totally out of new ideas (a joke like Vision Pro doesn't count).
Here comes the android users invading apple post as per usual
 
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Not in the list discussed, but a dynamic app suggestions row based on time or location would be great. I'm a creature of habit and the phone should recognize that and get me to the app it thinks I'm going to want faster.
 
Now, fix Launchpad. Talk about a painful experience dragging icons around.
I used to always drag those icons around into alphabetical order until someone taught me to long-press the Launchpad icon in the Dock.. you’ll get a nice alphabetized list of apps.
 
Assuming this will be up to the given app developers to enable? Would be very interesting if it’s a forced global option.

More customization is awesome, but I think about other major necessities like a keychain.app to compete against dedicated password managers etc
Why is an app needed when you can manage your passwords via the already built in Settings?
 
Apple innovating again! Android has only had this forever. Apple - Great Hardware, Mediocre Buggy Software, and totally out of new ideas (a joke like Vision Pro doesn't count).
I'm perfectly happy with the software. Android is buggy mess and as we know a weaker ecosystem.
 
Btw I think it's dumb that every app you have is on your home screen. It's like putting every book you own out on the table, as opposed to just the ones you're reading or frequently use while the rest go on the shelves

Apple gets it that people don't want to wade through pages and pages of icons and they also know most people are too lazy to spend their time scrupulously organizing stuff into folders, so they added the app library. But still all the apps are there on the home screen, and for most people it's still pages and pages of icons. Ugh

Just admit that Android has the right idea with the app drawer and copy that. Done.
 
I never understood why people wanted to be able to put blank spaces on their home screens. Wouldn't you want your home screen filled with apps so you don't have to scroll home screens as much?
I recently bought an Android based Walkman, and its launcher lets you do it. I suppose the one reason why I might put blank spaces in is to avoid apps covering a part of my wallpaper (say, a face or something). If you’ve got tiny hands and a large phone, I could also see putting the icons on the bottom, but that’s about it.

As an aside, I mostly use folders for organizing my apps (have since iOS 4! but especially since iOS 7, when folders got good). I use search a lot, too, and I use the Focus feature introduced last year or the year before to change to custom home screens for work, my commute*, exercise, that sort of thing. I’m not sure why you’d want to change the colors of an icon (particularly beyond the selection of icons many apps provide these days), let alone why you’d want all of your social media apps to be the same color (that would be a pain to try to tell visually what app is what). Then again, I never really understood theming. It mostly got in the way of actually using your phone/computer in the name of “looking cool” (or at least, what some edgy teenage boy or teenybopper teenage girl thinks “looks cool”).

* I take the train, so I’m not using my phone while driving! It mostly has transit navigation and alert apps. You can set up a driving focus without any apps on your home screen, though.
 
Why is an app needed when you can manage your passwords via the already built in Settings?

There are a ton of features that password managers have that iOS passwords does not. More fields than simply username/password/website/note.
Better organization options, sort by tag, etc
An app could be cross-platform, available on android devices. More granular control over what generated passwords are (length, special characters, etc).

Basically, for advanced users who want more than diving into settings and not having to use a shortcut icon to make diving into settings easier.
 
I never understood why people wanted to be able to put blank spaces on their home screens. Wouldn't you want your home screen filled with apps so you don't have to scroll home screens as much?
One valid reason is having more of your most used apps near the bottom of your screen, in addition to the docked ones, without having to fill up the screen with unnecessary apps just to push those important ones down.
 
What do you mean?
Android has yearly releases as well. Many Samsung and Google phones receives updates for 5+ years.
Yes now - and with the latest top model, and if you have, for example, a Samsung tablet, expect to wait a few extra months before the latest update hits. When I had a Tab S6, it took several months before it got the last new update, even though my Galaxy S10 at the time was updated long ago. By the way, is the S10 still being updated?

When Apple releases an update, it is for all the products at once. Exactly as it should be.
 
I never understood why people wanted to be able to put blank spaces on their home screens. Wouldn't you want your home screen filled with apps so you don't have to scroll home screens as much?
Well clearly you've never had a wallpaper you really liked ruined by an icon just sitting in the middle of someone's face. 😊
 
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Have you missed all of the people posting here about how they want to be able to put icons wherever they want them on the desktop? This may not matter to you but it does to a large number of other Apple customers.
AWESOME - never mind OS performance, OS longevity on a platform, deploying useful AI. As long as we can move icon, whoopie.
 
More “hard hitting” features being allowed to change the color of an app icon. Is tech just like Hollywood and really out of new ideas?
 
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