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How would you describe the Mac Pro then? Offers pretty much the same performance as the Mac Studio but costs a lot more money.
Well we don't know until it comes out. The old Mac Pro's point was obvious: you could mod it after purchase, adding expansion cards, RAM, storage, etc. Its differentiator was clear. Whether that will remain true with the ARM Version remains to be seen.
 
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Pair it with an Apple Studio Display and it is a replacement for the higher-tier iMac 5Ks (the i9/32GB/1TB/5700XT configurations that were over $3000).
But that would be just as true if it was simply called a high end Mac mini.
 
I think the Mac Studio sits in the place where the high-end 27” iMac and iMac Pro configurations used to sit, with the added benefit that the screen is standalone and will last through multiple CPU revisions. They said in the announcement of the Studio that people didn’t like wasting the high-quality screen panels in almost that many words, but it hasn’t exactly become more economical to buy a Mac Studio setup, compared to the 27” iMac.

It seems that they’ve placed the 24” iMac as a consumer device, the Mac Studio as an enthusiast device, and hopefully the Mac Pro for specialist professional applications.
 
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Although I think the Studio will stick around for another few revisions, desktop computing as a whole is very niche these days. Corporate drones like myself all have laptops now and even for pros, a Max equipped MacBook Pro 16 fits the bill for a lot of work.

I do see a situation in a few years where Apple has even fewer desktop machines in its range as demand falls. My guess would be an iMac plus a Mini/Studio hybrid (e.g. a Max equipped Mini or a base M Studio) would be enough.

I just don't see Gen Z/alpha buying desktops like their forbears.
 
Although I think the Studio will stick around for another few revisions, desktop computing as a whole is very niche these days. Corporate drones like myself all have laptops now and even for pros, a Max equipped MacBook Pro 16 fits the bill for a lot of work.

I do see a situation in a few years where Apple has even fewer desktop machines in its range as demand falls. My guess would be an iMac plus a Mini/Studio hybrid (e.g. a Max equipped Mini or a base M Studio) would be enough.

I just don't see Gen Z/alpha buying desktops like their forbears.
First I use a 16” M1 Max MBP. The 16” laptop still is not ideal when you want to look a more documentation all at once. It’s why I pair a 24” iMac with it because of the 23.5” 4.5k screen. When editing I can have multiple web references that I can see all at once. The thought that people no longer need to see larger displays is more of a handicap. Apple’s one studio display solution is example of spending more to get something that is already twice redundant with that pairing. Perhaps this will change for the better when retailers are more competitive with this display. It should be closer to $1299 without the nano tech finishing.
 
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The Mac Studio has either a Max or Ultra SOC. No Mac Mini does. The Mini is a nice low cost device but doesn’t have the power that a lot of people need. That is why there is a Mac Studio.
Very few people need the power of the Mac Studio, the Mini is more than adequate for the majority. /s

Or at least that similar logic is repeated here in the threads when anyone mentions they want a 27 inch or larger iMac and get responses that the 24 inch is good enough.
 
Very few people need the power of the Mac Studio, the Mini is more than adequate for the majority. /s

Or at least that similar logic is repeated here in the threads when anyone mentions they want a 27 inch or larger iMac and get responses that the 24 inch is good enough.
Like so many felt the 24” slightly on the small side, but you do get used to it. If it ever see a modest SoC update such as the M2 Pro it will become a lot more of a serious solution usable with 32 GB ram, drive 2 6K displays, twice the memory bandwidth of the M2, with up to 10/19 cores. The thought of more modest M3 does’t excite me at all. Would that impact Mac Studio sales, yes likely, not from studio’s performance but sufficient for more serious Mac usage.
 
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I think the suggestion was to use the Rosetta-like cross-compiler in Win11 to run x86 apps on Arm.
That's what Windows on Arm does, but it's not quite as good as rosetta. Unfortunately it doesn't run everything and performance isn't great. It mostly works for most apps, unless you need a driver of any kind, then you're sol. I have stuff that doesn't run on WoA, that's just the way it goes and why it's not a solution for me.
 
The Mac Studio has either a Max or Ultra SOC. No Mac Mini does. The Mini is a nice low cost device but doesn’t have the power that a lot of people need. That is why there is a Mac Studio.
I'd actually trade my Studio Max for a Mac Mini Pro if I could since I really don't use the Studio enough to tolerate the whine. I always prefer to trade in with apple because it's easy, even if I don't get back as much, but Apple wont even take it in as a trade it. (not because it's damaged, the trade in bot wont take in any Studios. Which actually might say a lot.)
 
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Although I think the Studio will stick around for another few revisions, desktop computing as a whole is very niche these days. Corporate drones like myself all have laptops now and even for pros, a Max equipped MacBook Pro 16 fits the bill for a lot of work.

I do see a situation in a few years where Apple has even fewer desktop machines in its range as demand falls. My guess would be an iMac plus a Mini/Studio hybrid (e.g. a Max equipped Mini or a base M Studio) would be enough.

I just don't see Gen Z/alpha buying desktops like their forbears.

Apple is content to sell the same machine for years, so worst-case we could just see the desktops return to multi-year refresh cycles like during the Intel/AMD days as demand lags.

On the flip side, now that Apple is no longer reliant on paying external OEMs for CPUs and GPUs, the cost of offering a refreshed model is lower so Apple could refresh more regularly (at least every other generation) to keep the models "fresh" and boost their desirability.
 
Apple is content to sell the same machine for years, so worst-case we could just see the desktops return to multi-year refresh cycles like during the Intel/AMD days as demand lags.

On the flip side, now that Apple is no longer reliant on paying external OEMs for CPUs and GPUs, the cost of offering a refreshed model is lower so Apple could refresh more regularly (at least every other generation) to keep the models "fresh" and boost their desirability.

Lower price, that's not true with apple, everybody know that apple is one of the most (if not the most) expensive PC brands.

The only difference now is that now they have the control of what to offer and how to make changes they want.
 
Apple is content to sell the same machine for years, so worst-case we could just see the desktops return to multi-year refresh cycles like during the Intel/AMD days as demand lags.

On the flip side, now that Apple is no longer reliant on paying external OEMs for CPUs and GPUs, the cost of offering a refreshed model is lower so Apple could refresh more regularly (at least every other generation) to keep the models "fresh" and boost their desirability.
Slower refreshes could be the way Apple (somewhat) gracefully exits large swathes of the desktop PC market - it's sort of how they have approached the Mac Pro and, for a long time, the Mac Mini.
 
There's the thought that Apple could be using ARM SOC's that can be plugged in slot that can be swapped out. Still have unified memory to contend with.
That, and no option to connect a non-apple GPU if there will be any left. Also storage expansion will not be as fast as the built-in, although internal storage is not important for Pro users. So what's left to expand? Just the CPU/GPU board? Might as well replace the machine. Really curious what the Pro will be like in the end, I'm pretty sure it will be a beefed up Mx that gets a spec bump every year/two year.
 
Slower refreshes could be the way Apple (somewhat) gracefully exits large swathes of the desktop PC market - it's sort of how they have approached the Mac Pro and, for a long time, the Mac Mini.
A obvious reason would be ramping up SoC production or some other parts supply problems is more challenging so they are being silent and wish to pull an another Jan 17 like hardware update when ready. I still think the Mac Studio being the only Mac using Ultra was poor planning without Mac Pro using the same. So all three, 2 year old 24” iMac, 1 year + studio Mac, and long delayed small tower MAC Pro is what’s next with M2 SoC’s. The M2 15” MBA is unknow, even if they keep saying real soon, but it could be released at any time.
 
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First I use a 16” M1 Max MBP. The 16” laptop still is not ideal when you want to look a more documentation all at once. It’s why I pair a 24” iMac with it because of the 23.5” 4.5k screen. When editing I can have multiple web references that I can see all at once. The thought that people no longer need to see larger displays is more of a handicap. Apple’s one studio display solution is example of spending more to get something that is already twice redundant with that pairing. Perhaps this will change for the better when retailers are more competitive with this display. It should be closer to $1299 without the nano tech finishing.
Wouldn't it be easier (and cheaper) to just buy a monitor that you can connect your MBP to rather than maintaining two separate machines? I use a 14" MBP and if I need space I just hook it up to my dual 27" 4k displays in my home office.

The original author's point is that from capability perspective an M1/2 Max-equipped MBP is more than enough for a lot of professional uses and can be easily paired with a larger display of a user's choice.
 
Wouldn't it be easier (and cheaper) to just buy a monitor that you can connect your MBP to rather than maintaining two separate machines? I use a 14" MBP and if I need space I just hook it up to my dual 27" 4k displays in my home office.

The original author's point is that from capability perspective an M1/2 Max-equipped MBP is more than enough for a lot of professional uses and can be easily paired with a larger display of a user's choice.
You then have no fall back if your one and only Mac has an issue. I have backups for both. This like the typical work computer limitations.
 
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Lower price, that's not true with apple, everybody know that apple is one of the most (if not the most) expensive PC brands.

A lower price to Apple to refresh a desktop model might encourage them to refresh it more often

Slower refreshes could be the way Apple (somewhat) gracefully exits large swathes of the desktop PC market - it's sort of how they have approached the Mac Pro and, for a long time, the Mac Mini.

And yet they never did exit those markets, instead waiting six years between Mac Pro refreshes and four years between Mac mini refreshes (six years if you consider 4-core Mac minis).
 
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The old Mac Pro's point was obvious: you could mod it after purchase, adding expansions cards, RAM, storage, etc. Its differentiator was clear. Whether that will remain true with the ARM Version remains to be seen.
I think the Mac Pro was that way more because that's how Intel PCs are, rather than Apple considering any of those things important. Since none of that is a part of any of the ASi Macs, I don't really expect them to go out of their way to incorporate things they probably consider outdated. I would expect storage will be just because it will probably be a case that can fit SSDs, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the only thing they incorporate into the design.
 
I think the Mac Pro was that way more because that's how Intel PCs are, rather than Apple considering any of those things important. Since none of that is a part of any of the ASi Macs, I don't really expect them to go out of their way to incorporate things they probably consider outdated. I would expect storage will be just because it will probably be a case that can fit SSDs, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is the only thing they incorporate into the design.
But, if all that the Mac Pro brings to the table is more internal storage, what justifies getting the Mac Pro and paying the large premium price for it?

I hope that Apple really does commit to a Mac Pro that can be a contender in the workstation class computer market offering processing, gpu, i/o, and storage that can compete and maybe something extra like ML/AI enhancements. If they don’t and it’s just a Mac Studio in a bigger case with some SSD slots that would be a failure of vision.
 
Yeah, same was said for the iMac Pro, and look what Apple did with that. Really, I don't see what niche the Mac Studio fills that couldn't be filled with a Mac Mini (or two).
How about the fact that it replaced the 27inch iMac? Isn’t that an actually bigger niche than both Mac Mini and Mac Pro? It has been for the past few years. It was the most sought after Apple desktop and the Studio is imho even better. It will stay.
 
People claiming there is no niche for the Mac Studio need to be reminded that it functionally replaced the 27inch iMac. I would argue that it’s a bigger niche than both the Mini and the Pro and the Studio is actually the most desired desktop in the Apple lineup. Just as the 27inch iMac had been for years. And the Studio is a better machine than that.
 
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