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Curious to see if they would go landscape with the front facing camera (put it on the long side of the screen).
Right now I'm very happy with my 11" M1 iPad Pro; I upgraded in January from an ageing iPad Air 2.
I’d like that or at least put it on the corner so it works as a compromise in both portrait and landscape.
 
It would be great to get a new model which is large enough accommodate A4 size paper in GoodNotes.
 
Let me summarize the release of the new iPads:

  • slightly faster processor
  • slightly better screen
  • slightly better battery time
  • slightly better camera
Move over Ming-Chi Kuo, I can predict too. Using this formula you can predict most of Apple's products for 2022. ;)
 
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Macs certainly do support Netflix downloads when WiFi is available; or linked to the iPhone if one wanted to download via cellular (I don't).
That's completely wrong. You can download a movie on iPhone or iPad, but not the Mac. You can stream Netflix on a Mac, but that's NOT downloading a movie, it's streaming. And what does WiFi have to do with it? I can stream Netflix on my Mac with Ethernet or WiFi.
 
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Hopefully not an OLED display in a pro device for creative work where accurate colors are important. Screws would be great for easier battery replacement.
OLED is not a problem for accurate color. Look at any recent iPhone. All it takes is for the manufacturer to value color accuracy and to calibrate their displays. There have been rumors (from a source with close ties to the display suppliers) that Apple will use OLED in some iPads starting in 2014. These are supposed to be double-layer OLEDs that will avoid the warping that can happen with OLEDs at the iPad screen size. They are also supposed to make burn-in less likely using the dual layers.
 
Hopefully not an OLED display in a pro device for creative work where accurate colors are important. Screws would be great for easier battery replacement.
OLED displays on mobiles (like the iPhone 14 pro) are the most colour accurate, and also on TVs, especially after calibration. That's on top of the best colour volume and gamut.

We're not talking about a 2011 Samsung phone.

I would happily pay a couple hundred more for an OLED iPad.
 
Curious that the regular iPad 10 isn't imminent, just the Pros on their own. Perhaps the iPad 10 and M2 MBP's will get an event in November?

I'm most interested in the iPad 10, as much as I adore my Air 2, it's due for semi-retirement.

that is incorrect. I don’t care for macs because I’m barely interested in them so I won’t say for that

But I will say this and continue to say it. Apple will never reveal iPads a month apart from one another they will reveal (whatever iPads to be revealed) at the same time.

Several months apart yes like iPad 3 to iPad 4 or even this year from the Air 5 to the budget/pro line of iPad but not a month apart. The closest was 3 months from the A9 5th Gen iPads reveal in March 2017 to the A10X’s iPads reveal in June 2017
 
It should be said that iPadOS16 is a decent step forward for what apps are possible on the iPad. Now that virtual memory is going to be a thing on the iPad for the first time since its inception, more types of apps are possible.
I get what youre saying, but I'm done waiting/expecting Apple or 3rd party developers to finally make full versions of their pro apps/full versions of their MacOS apps available on an iPad Pro.

I love my 12.9 M1, but it's time to move on, for me it seems that it will never be what Apple tried to sell it to me(and so many others) to be.

So, basically, the wait is over, more than a year since I've owned this beast(and almost 4 years of my dabbling with IPad as somewhat my main daily "computer") there has never been a case where ipadOS or any of apps on it demanded that huge power, I don't expect that to change in coming years so I will not expect miracles from my 12.9 M1 at this point anymore, and iPad is just that - Mac's companion, an add-on and not a computer replacement for me.
Will be waiting on M1 Pro Macbooks to have some discounts once M2 14/16" models are released and just get either M1 or M2 14" for me.
 
I get what youre saying, but I'm done waiting/expecting Apple or 3rd party developers to finally make full versions of their pro apps/full versions of their MacOS apps available on an iPad Pro.

I love my 12.9 M1, but it's time to move on, for me it seems that it will never be what Apple tried to sell it to me(and so many others) to be.

So, basically, the wait is over, more than a year since I've owned this beast(and almost 4 years of my dabbling with IPad as somewhat my main daily "computer") there has never been a case where ipadOS or any of apps on it demanded that huge power, I don't expect that to change in coming years so I will not expect miracles from my 12.9 M1 at this point anymore, and iPad is just that - Mac's companion, an add-on and not a computer replacement for me.
Will be waiting on M1 Pro Macbooks to have some discounts once M2 14/16" models are released and just get either M1 or M2 14" for me.

I get you completely. My post was talking about how the M2 may not be a complete waste to put it in there, not trying to make the case the the iPad can replace everything.

I, too, am done with trying to use my iPad for everything. Now that I've got a 14" MacBook Pro I completely stopped wanting to use my iPad for everything.

The reason I wanted to use the iPad for everything is because it steamrolled my 2018 MacBook Pro in every way. The CPU and GPU were better, the screen was better, the keyboard (magic keyboard) was better, it was quieter and cooler.

With Apple Silicon being in Macs, combined with the modern Mac designs, the main reasons you might want to try doing the iPad as main device thing are kind of gone.

Now I just use the iPad as a tablet. It's great that way. For the more relaxed cases like lying down in bed, public transport commute, getting through a flight, it's perfect. When you're not trying to make it be something more than it is it becomes a wonderful device again. Most of the time though, I want the big beautiful screen, trackpad, keyboard, and proper OS of the MacBook.

The other two use cases are occasionally as a second display for the MacBook with side car or universal control depending on what I'm doing. And when I have to travel really light, the 11" Pro with the magic keyboard and cellular is the perfect little travel device.
 
Please explain.
Grandpa telling war stories? Whatever. After Microsoft was already losing the phoneOS wars against the emerging iOS-Android duopoly, Macrohard desperately wanted to stay relevant on tablets. After all Bill Gates had predicted pencil-controlled tablets to be the future of computing for decades. So they introduced not one but two new tablets to compete with the iPad.

The Surface with an ARM chip and an ARM-based version of Windows adapted for multitouch. And the Surface Pro with an Intel laptop-chip running an Intel-based version of the same multitouch Windows. Of course everybody (users and developers alike) noticed right away that the ARM-Surface came with no software ecosystem whatsoever, whereas the Intel-Surface was backward compatible with all the old software written for Desktop-Windows with clunky mouse-control.

And so the better, cheaper, smaller, lighter, cooler hardware platform died. Only the Surface Pro survived and effectively became a laptop with a detachable keyboard, which needed a stand because all the weight sits vertically behind the screen and a fan to get rid of all the heat. Everybody forgot that the goal was to compete in the field of true mobile computing with power-efficient, fan-less, handheld devices like the iPad.

The Surface Pro is a living mockery of Microsofts inaptitude to create a new ARM-based platform. Whereas Apple flawlessly makes the transition from x86 to arm64 with its entire macOS ecosystem.
 
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Grandpa telling war stories? Whatever. After Microsoft was already losing the phoneOS wars against the emerging iOS-Android duopoly, Macrohard desperately wanted to stay relevant on tablets. After all Bill Gates had predicted pencil-controlled tablets to be the future of computing for decades. So they introduced not one but two new tablets to compete with the iPad.

The Surface with an ARM chip and an ARM-based version of Windows adapted for multitouch. And the Surface Pro with an Intel laptop-chip running an Intel-based version of the same multitouch Windows. Of course everybody (users and developers alike) noticed right away that the ARM-Surface came with no software ecosystem whatsoever, whereas the Intel-Surface was backward compatible with all the old software written for Desktop-Windows with clunky mouse-control.

And so the better, cheaper, smaller, lighter, cooler hardware platform died. Only the Surface Pro survived and effectively became a laptop with a detachable keyboard, which needed a stand because all the weight sits vertically behind the screen and a fan to get rid of all the heat. Everybody forgot that the goal was to compete in the field of true mobile computing with power-efficient, fan-less, handheld devices like the iPad.

The Surface Pro is a living mockery of Microsofts inaptitude to create a new ARM-based platform. Whereas Apple flawlessly makes the transition from x86 to arm64 with its entire macOS ecosystem.
I think it was also important to do it at the right time, as past has proven itself with other tech companies coming out with product that is ahead of its time and failing. Few years later Apple releases refined version of iPad and bam - its the thing!
 
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Not really, as there is no chip and pin support without an outside device of course.
I guess you haven’t seen this yet. There are a few low tech banks out there that don’t support NFC payments on their cards but that number is quickly shrinking.
 
I guess you haven’t seen this yet. There are a few low tech banks out there that don’t support NFC payments on their cards but that number is quickly shrinking.
That makes perfect sense for an iPhone. It’s a quick portable solution for payment on a device that already includes the hardware. However that is not a fixed retail POS solution, which is what we were talking about. You can pretty much be guaranteed that any larger retailer making use of this iPhone solution will also have chip and pin support to go along with it on another device, and likely cash support as well.

BTW, your own post confirms that contactless is still a problem in some cases. As I said, I wouldn’t recommend an actual store go with only contactless in 2023. 2024/2025? Maybe. But not 2023.
 
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That makes perfect sense for an iPhone. It’s a quick portable solution for payment on a device that already includes the hardware. However that is not a fixed retail POS solution, which is what we were talking about. You can pretty much be guaranteed that any larger retailer making use of this iPhone solution will also have chip and pin support to go along with it on another device, and likely cash support as well.

BTW, your own post confirms that contactless is still a problem in some cases. As I said, I wouldn’t recommend an actual store go with only contactless in 2023. 2024/2025? Maybe. But not 2023.
I never said to abandon the old technology having external peripherals. Of course have both. But if we stay in the past we can never move forward. Not sure why you’re arguing progress wouldn’t be a good thing here. It’s a logical next step having an iPad become the next Square terminal but all in one package.
 
M1/M2 on 3nm so they can trickle down to the budget end of the iPad lineup...?
That’s usually not how architecture shrinks work.
It actually usually starts with the lower end CPUs, and then moves upwards.
For example, when Apple shrunk from 7 nm to 5 nm, it started with the A14 in the iPad Air, then the A14 in the iPhone 12 series, then the M1, then the M1pro, then the M1max, then the M1ultra.
Expect the 3 nm shrink to work pretty much exactly the same.
A17, then M3, then M3pro, and so on.
The most powerful chip in the lineup will usually always be the last, not the first.
 
I never said to abandon the old technology having external peripherals. Of course have both. But if we stay in the past we can never move forward. Not sure why you’re arguing progress wouldn’t be a good thing here. It’s a logical next step having an iPad become the next Square terminal but all in one package.
My point here is it adds cost to the iPad line unnecessarily. POS sales for the iPad is a tiny niche market. Adding NFC isn’t going to change that.

Personally I’d rather Apple keep pricing of the iPad at $299, instead of jacking up the price for added hardware features that less than 0.1% will ever use.
 
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I think it was also important to do it at the right time, as past has proven itself with other tech companies coming out with product that is ahead of its time and failing. Few years later Apple releases refined version of iPad and bam - its the thing!
iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch were underpowered in their first generations. So the right time to act was early and quickly improve upon the concept. But when you transition away from an established platform, you wait until everything is ready. Apple's obsessive secrecy is great to develop something for decades and reveal it only when it's market ready.
 
My point here is it adds cost to the iPad line unnecessarily. POS sales for the iPad is a tiny niche market. Adding NFC isn’t going to change that.

Personally I’d rather Apple keep pricing of the iPad at $299, instead of jacking up the price for added hardware features that less than 0.1% will ever use.
You are far off on your estimates, just because it doesn’t fit your use case doesn’t mean that almost nobody else uses it. A simple google search will show you that there’s a huge market for it.
 
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