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I have no idea what you're talking about.
Both the iPad Pro and MacBook Air (the Air's CPU upgrade is more significant) have received faster chips, more RAM, faster networking, Thunderbolt USB-C, better speakers, and a more advanced OS (the 2018 iPP only gets 30% of Stage Manager's functionality). Underutilizing your iPad doesn't change that fact, but on the plus side you don't have to upgrade now.
 
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I'm going to upgrade from my 2020 iPad Pro 11 simply because I want 5G cellular. I remember when I bought my 2020 model, I assumed it had 5G. It had to have it, right? It's 2020 and the iPad Pro is cutting-edge device technology, I thought. Stupid me didn't even bother to check since I assumed it. The revelation that is has only 4G cellular wasn't enough of an issue to make me return it, but I was very surprised.

Aside from that, it's been a fantastic tablet, and my iPads are used almost daily in hot Florida sun, out on the intercoastal or ocean, with no cases or any other external protection. It sits exposed to the sun all day, and it gets covered in saltwater spray many times throughout the day and when I return home, I have to clean the dried salt all over it.
 
Ready to move from a 2017 10.5” IPP to the latest 12.9” iteration. I typically keep these for 4+ years.
 
Both the iPad Pro and MacBook Air (the Air's CPU upgrade is more significant) have received faster chips, more RAM, faster networking, Thunderbolt USB-C, better speakers, and a more advanced OS (the 2018 iPP only gets 30% of Stage Manager's functionality). Underutilizing your iPad doesn't change that fact, but on the plus side you don't have to upgrade now.

I don't have a 2018 iPad - I have the M1 iPad.

For most people's usage, the M1 iPad is not a huge upgrade from the 2018. Stage Manager in its current iteration is almost objectively bad.

You could make those claims about underutilization in 2-4 years, but not right now.
 
If you really believed that double the RAM was the only upgrade since 2018 then why did you buy an M1 iPad?

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today or something?

The upgrades from the 2018 are not that meaningful to most people. Don't pretend the use cases that actually utilise the upgrade from the 2018 to the M1 actually apply to most people.

We don't even have an OS that uses virtual memory or allows apps to use virtual memory yet. Once we have that, it'll take a decent amount of time for the apps to start coming out and utilising that.

As for why I got the M1 iPad, I never had a 2018.
 
If you really believed that double the RAM was the only upgrade since 2018 then why did you buy an M1 iPad which you said was disappointing? You could have purchased a 2020 and pocketed the savings.

I never said the M1 was disappointing. Boy you are in a fighting mood today.
 
We all know everyone you ready to buy this is just gonna use it to browse Macrumors and watch YouTube. Admit it! 😄
Nope, not me. iPad had potential but Apple has done nothing with the product in 10 years. They purposely make it crap so it doesn't become good enough to replace your Mac and/or iPhone. Any product that is designed to not be good will never be good. Apple purposely design the iPad as a companion device to your Mac/phone. It's the reason why iPadOS is so heavily gimped by Apple's restrictions on what they allow iPadOS to do for the user - which isn't much.

Yes, yes, yes, for some people it's good enough as their primary device but for the vast majority it isn't. And that's by design. Apple's design.

When the M1 iPad Pro was announced I genuinely thought the upcoming iPadOS that year would finally be feature rich and they'd be power apps like Final Cut etc available to take advantage of the ridiculous power of the M1.

How wrong and disappointed was I/we all? Same old tired useless crap, year after year.

All that wasted potential. It's so frustrating.
 
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The upgrades from the 2018 are not that meaningful to most people. Don't pretend the use cases that actually utilise the upgrade from the 2018 to the M1 actually apply to most people.
Those people can save money by not upgrading.
We don't even have an OS that uses virtual memory or allows apps to use virtual memory yet. Once we have that, it'll take a decent amount of time for the apps to start coming out and utilising that.
We're discussing the M2 iPads which will launch with iPadOS16 and Stage Manager. Lots of people bought the 14" and 16" MBPs at launch despite most 3rd party apps running under Rosetta instead of being ARM-native.
As for why I got the M1 iPad, I never had a 2018.
Think of all the money you could have saved buying a refurb 2020 iPP since I'm assuming you don't utilize the M1's improvements. If you do utilize the M1 iPad, it seems contradictory to phrase it as a disappointing improvement over the 2018 iPP.
 
Those people can save money by not upgrading.

We're discussing the M2 iPads which will launch with iPadOS16 and Stage Manager. Lots of people bought the 14" and 16" MBPs at launch despite most 3rd party apps running under Rosetta instead of being ARM-native.

Think of all the money you could have saved buying a refurb 2020 iPP since I'm assuming you don't utilize the M1's improvements. If you do utilize the M1 iPad, it seems contradictory to phrase it as a disappointing improvement over the 2018 iPP.

Again, I never said the M1 was disappointing. Perhaps you have me confused for someone else.

It's a well discussed point at this stage that the upgrades since the 2018 have had a relatively minor impact on the user experience for the majority of users.

Ultimately, it remains to be seen the impact a desktop class chip like the M1 and its successors will have in the iPad. There isn't yet a single good app or experience available to the public (or even really the beta testers) to show that anything different is imminent.

Stage Manager is truly bad, and needs a major overhaul before you can point to it as being an example of why the 2021 iPad is that different to the 2018.

I'm hoping for a slightly bigger screen, or better display tech (11") or a camera that's centred for landscape usage. These to me are more like a 5.5 year difference than yet another virtually identical device with a better chip, which is what the M2 looks like it might be if the rumours are correct.
 
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Nope. They won’t do the batteries on 2017 or 2018 iPad pros.

The 9.7-inch iPad Pro was announced on March 21, 2016 and released on March 31 that same year and they’ll change the batteries on that. They should also do so on the 2017, 2018 and others since.
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While I agree 11” or even 12.9” is not enough for true productivity, the limitation Of iOS will forever put iPadOS into an awkward spot: can do macOS things a little bit here and there but not quite. And those “not quite“ moments are going to be dealbreaker for many people, forcing them to either stop using iPad for their work or buy a Mac/PC as “supplementary” or main device.
Apple’s currently selling around 40-50 million iPads a year. That’s currently enough for them to make a profit and keep investing in and iterating on the device. That means, outside of those folks, there could be billions that find the iPad features a dealbreaker and won’t buy one and they’ll still sell their 40-50 million.

As a result, Apple doesn’t need the iPad to be everything that macOS users need, they can just grow it into it’s own device that some users will pick up as their first computing device, find that they like it, and will always buy iPads from that point on.
 
Most cards these days are contactless. Certainly all mine are.
Most is not all. Also, there are purchase amount limits to contactless. That's why all of the third party POS card readers include chip-and-pin support.

The point is, putting NFC in all iPads would not solve the problem for POS systems. It would be foolish for most businesses to restrict themselves to contactless only in North America, even in 2023. And in any case, you can already use the iPad for a POS system with a small add-on... which adds... as you guessed it... NFC and chip-and-pin. For example, if you want just the reader, it's all of $49 from Square. Or, if you want an integrated stand, it's all of $149. Considering a decent comparable stand without a reader would cost around $100 anyway, the cost of the POS stand is not the barrier here.

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Nope, not me. iPad had potential but Apple has done nothing with the product in 10 years. They purposely make it crap so it doesn't become good enough to replace your Mac and/or iPhone. Any product that is designed to not be good will never be good. Apple purposely design the iPad as a companion device to your Mac/phone. It's the reason why iPadOS is so heavily gimped by Apple's restrictions on what they allow iPadOS to do for the user - which isn't much.

Yes, yes, yes, for some people it's good enough as their primary device but for the vast majority it isn't. And that's by design. Apple's design.

When the M1 iPad Pro was announced I genuinely thought the upcoming iPadOS that year would finally be feature rich and they'd be power apps like Final Cut etc available to take advantage of the ridiculous power of the M1.

How wrong and disappointed was I/we all? Same old tired useless crap, year after year.

All that wasted potential. It's so frustrating.
But the original design of the iPad is what makes it so good though. I don't want to use my laptop (a Mac) in bed or for most leisure activities. What happened was when Microsoft got the formula for the Surface Pro right it became a threat not only to the Mac, but also the iPad. But, I've had a Surface Pro 3 since 2015 and I've never had a desire to use it the way I like using my iPad. The productivity benefits of the Mac that a lot of iPad users are yearning for is maybe too much to ask from an OS that is derived from a phone OS.

Maybe what Apple needs to do, just like how they took a lot of the plumbing of macOS to make iOS (networking, cocoa etc), they likely need to directly build a future iPad OS directly from macOS, instead taking a lot of desktop power and optimizing them for touch.
 
iPad had potential but Apple has done nothing with the product in 10 years. They purposely make it crap so it doesn't become good enough to replace your Mac and/or iPhone.
This is truly absurd. The iPad was never meant to replace a desktop or laptop or phone. And why should it? If you need a desktop, laptop or phone then you buy a desktop, laptop or phone.

If you need a fullsize pickup then you buy one. You don’t bellyache because your Kia Soul doesn’t do what a fullsize truck can do because the Soul was never intended to do those things the truck can do. Your whining, posing as supposedly informed criticism, doesn’t reflect poorly on the auto manufacturers, it just makes you look ridiculous.


I had a customer just the other day with a similar snotty attitude. Everything was crap simply because nothing was the way he thought it should be. To him only computers with high end gaming specs were real “normal” computers and anything less was garbage for the uninformed masses. I had to hold my tongue from telling him to get the hell out and not waste my time.
 
It's a well discussed point at this stage that the upgrades since the 2018 have had a relatively minor impact on the user experience for the majority of users.
You're right. Those users can keep happily using their iPads.

And people who find something compelling about the M2 iPads can buy one just like people who saw something compelling in and bought the M1 iPP even though a discounted A12 iPP would have met their needs.
 
This is truly absurd. The iPad was never meant to replace a desktop or laptop or phone. And why should it? If you need a desktop, laptop or phone then you buy a desktop, laptop or phone.
This is what Tim Cook himself said:


“I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?” Cook told the British publication. “Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones.”
 
But the original design of the iPad is what makes it so good though. I don't want to use my laptop (a Mac) in bed or for most leisure activities. What happened was when Microsoft got the formula for the Surface Pro right it became a threat not only to the Mac, but also the iPad. But, I've had a Surface Pro 3 since 2015 and I've never had a desire to use it the way I like using my iPad. The productivity benefits of the Mac that a lot of iPad users are yearning for is maybe too much to ask from an OS that is derived from a phone OS.

Maybe what Apple needs to do, just like how they took a lot of the plumbing of macOS to make iOS (networking, cocoa etc), they likely need to directly build a future iPad OS directly from macOS, instead taking a lot of desktop power and optimizing them for touch.
Yeah, all the issues with iPad are software ones. The hardware is flawless & it always has been.
 
This is truly absurd. The iPad was never meant to replace a desktop or laptop or phone. And why should it? If you need a desktop, laptop or phone then you buy a desktop, laptop or phone.
The iPad is meant to replace some, but not all computers; and there is nothing inferior about your computer use if an iPad can replace your computer.
 
The 9.7-inch iPad Pro was announced on March 21, 2016 and released on March 31 that same year and they’ll change the batteries on that. They should also do so on the 2017, 2018 and others since.
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Yes I know what it says and I’ve already tried it. Made an appointmen, went in but when I got there NOPE!. Has anyone been able to get a battery replacement on 2018 or older iPad? I was told NO.
 
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