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What happened was when Microsoft got the formula for the Surface Pro right it became a threat not only to the Mac, but also the iPad.
When was this pivotal moment? I totally missed it. The Surface Pro is the one that runs on Intel, with hot fan exhausts right where you grab the device with your hands? Only because Microsoft couldn't convince nobody to make the transition to ARM. I only know the Surface as a joke, but you must know better ...
 
No redesign ? Guess i'll be holding onto my m1 12.9 for another year , done buying them yearly with zero to none differences but minor spec bumps.
 
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Yes, yes, yes, for some people it's good enough as their primary device but for the vast majority it isn't. And that's by design. Apple's design.

When the M1 iPad Pro was announced I genuinely thought the upcoming iPadOS that year would finally be feature rich and they'd be power apps like Final Cut etc available to take advantage of the ridiculous power of the M1.

How wrong and disappointed was I/we all? Same old tired useless crap, year after year.

All that wasted potential. It's so frustrating.
I think you have it exactly backwards.
For the vast majority of people, an iPad *is* their main computer.
The vast majority of people are not using Final Cut, or logic, or any of those types of applications.
The vast majority don’t even know what any of that is.
Even the majority of Mac users are not using Final Cut.
No idea where this idea that all computer users are video editors or audio engineers come from, but it’s not, and it’s never been, anywhere close to the truth.
People who use Final Cut and logic are a niche. A very small niche.
Most computer users are buying a computer, or in this case, an iPad, to do very basic things.
Browse the web, check email, pay taxes, watch movies, play the occasional game, edit photos that they capture on their iPhones, draw, and maybe, if they’re very ambitious, throw something together in iMovie.
Explain to me why any of that stuff can’t be done just as productively on an iPad as a Mac?
So when you say “for some people it's good enough as their primary device but for the vast majority it isn't”, I think you have it backwards.
It’s the small minority of people who can’t use an iPad as their main device.
And for those people, yes, I think there are major improvements Apple can make to iPadOS.
But the facts are the facts, and the facts are that the majority of people can and have made iPads their main device.
Which is exactly why Apple sells more iPads than Macs every year.
 
Macs don’t support Netflix downloads for watching videos on trips.
It would be TRIVIAL for Netflix to support this on Macs. All they would have to do is enable the app to work on MacOS; it's literally ONE SWITCH in App Store Connect. Hell, I think some people HAD IT WORKING with a workaround before Apple closed that loophole.

So this issue is entirely on Netflix.
 
Yes, for a lot of people a tablet is perfectly suitable device for their needs. But it was never meant to be a complete replacement for all computer needs.
At the 2010 all things digital conference, Steve Jobs made quite the comparison that people like to overlook.
The full thing is on YouTube, but the synopsis is that the Mac is a big truck, the iPad is a simple car.
The car works just fine for the majority of people for their basic needs, but the truck is there for those who need something more.
The iPad Pro does make the comparison slightly harder to understand, but there are some extremely expensive over the top cars out there that are just as expensive as trucks, just like there are extremely expensive iPads out there that are just as expensive as Macs.
Different options for different people.
And some people need both the truck and the car for different use cases, just like some people need both a Mac and an iPad.
 
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The pencil is exiting for the first month & then it’s useless. Buy a 3rd party one for the mac & call it a day
Almost all of the Phd candidates in my son's program are regularly using iPads with Apple Pencil for notes and other tasks. Perhaps, the usefulness of a device depends on an individual's workflow and requirements, and your requirements are not a proxy for all conceivable technology needs and uses. Just a thought.
 
When was this pivotal moment? I totally missed it. The Surface Pro is the one that runs on Intel, with hot fan exhausts right where you grab the device with your hands? Only because Microsoft couldn't convince nobody to make the transition to ARM. I only know the Surface as a joke, but you must know better ...
I see more Surface Pro's and similar form factors that are WinTel based than iPads in an estate that's over 400,000 devices. Also, we are phasing out iPads because we finally realized they are a failed experiment and trust me, we have a lot of them. You think other enterprises that bet on it are not waking up, too? When you have staunch cheerleaders of the iPad even moving on, it doesn't bode well for it. I have facts to backup what I am seeing.

Yeah, the iPad is a great consumption device and it will remain that way, I use one, but the sense that its somehow gonna overthrow Windows is a little naive. Look at how Apple owned education market at the start of the iPad's introduction then schools suddenly realized its:

1. Too expensive
2. Limited MDM support - they eventually added support, but it was too late, schools already moved on.
3. No multi-user support
4. Chromebooks and Windows devices basically wiped it out of existence
5. There was even an investigation in a school district if proper research was done before choosing iPads. You couldn't even take exams on them.

Apple somehow felt starting with the iPad Pro, they were going to go hard, but the productivity they were trying to push was just not the one people are looking for.
 
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Well we will agree to disagree then. I feel its pointless to keep upgrading the chip if it can't take advantage of anything extra anyways. Update other parts of it, better battery life, better camera, better display, new features etc. The SOC was the last thing these needed updated. Apples gone this route for their watches and nobody complains because they perform great still and get to enjoy new features

Have fun
It might not be about just the hardware or software experience. It could just be the economics of making the per-unit cost of the newest chip cheaper by stuffing it into as much gear as possible. And maintaining the hard-won marketing position of 'most powerful tablet ever'.
 
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Hopefully not an OLED display in a pro device for creative work where accurate colors are important. Screws would be great for easier battery replacement.
 
Macs certainly do support Netflix downloads when WiFi is available; or linked to the iPhone if one wanted to download via cellular (I don't).
You are confusing streaming with downloading. Netflix does not support downloads on Macs at all. So, if you're on a plane for 12 hours, you can't use your Mac to watch downloaded Netflix content. Works fine with an iPad.


It would be TRIVIAL for Netflix to support this on Macs. All they would have to do is enable the app to work on MacOS; it's literally ONE SWITCH in App Store Connect. Hell, I think some people HAD IT WORKING with a workaround before Apple closed that loophole.

So this issue is entirely on Netflix.
Downloads on Macs are not supported with Disney+ either.

Regardless, whatever the reasoning, Netflix downloads are not supported on the Mac. The point is, just taking only a Mac is problematic if you want to watch Netflix content while traveling.

Anyhow, what I tended to do for trips is just take my iPad Pro with Smart Keyboard when I didn't need specific Mac apps, but if I needed my business productivity apps on the Mac then I brought BOTH my iPad Pro and my 12" MacBook. An added bonus with this setup though was that the iPad Pro could be used as an external monitor via Sidecar.

ie. For me:
Trip for pleasure = iPad Pro
Trip for business = MacBook + iPad Pro
 
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You are confusing streaming with downloading. Netflix does not support downloads on Macs at all. So, if you're on a plane for 12 hours, you can't use your Mac to watch downloaded Netflix content. Works fine with an iPad.
Cant you use something like Plex to watch offline?
 
Cant you use something like Plex to watch offline?
? That's a very different piece of software. Sure if you download the stuff illegally you can use other software, but that's not what we're talking about here. Netflix offers legal downloads to your iPhone and iPad for offline viewing (assuming you're on one of the regular Netflix tiers, not the ad-supported uber cheap Netflix tier).

Anyhow, we going off track here. The bigger point I'm making is that for travel, both iPads and MacBooks have their advantages and disadvantages. The one disadvantage that really annoyed me when taking just a MacBook for traveling was the lack of Netflix download support, which is why I started taking both the MacBook and iPad. And then eventually for trips for pleasure I started taking just the iPad, leaving the MacBook at home.
 
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? That's a very different piece of software. Sure if you download the stuff illegally you can use other software, but that's not what we're talking about here. Netflix offers legal downloads to your iPhone and iPad for offline viewing (assuming you're on one of the regular Netflix tiers, not the ad-supported uber cheap Netflix tier).
I meant as far as using Plex as a media server, not downloading pirated videos.
 
I meant as far as using Plex as a media server, not downloading pirated videos.
How is that going to help with what we were talking about?

1. If you're stuck on a plane, you will have no access to a remote 3rd party media server, but that's moot anyways, because:
2. With most original Netflix content, you can only watch it on Netflix, either via streaming or local downloads.

eg. One show I downloaded (for some episodes) and watched recently was Warrior Nun. <-- If you click on the link to go to Netflix on your Mac, you'll see the only option is to stream it. However, if you click on the link to go to Netflix on your iPad or iPhone, you'll see the option to download it as well.


What this means is you can't use your MacBook to watch this show on a plane, but you can use your iPad to do it.

Some people may be satisfied with a MacBook and an iPhone, but I personally really hate watching media for extended periods on an iPhone.
 
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I wonder if the new iPad Pro will be prone to overheating or if it will have adequate cooling? Also, stage manager is still half baked at least users have the option to disable it until it’s fully baked.

Apple has impressive hardware, it’s partnership with tsmc has enabled it to productize amazing stuff.

But the software team needs to catch up in terms of quality. iPhone 14 pro bugs with the camera that twerked. Monterey had several nasty bugs that involved kernel panics. Ventura is a disaster on some intel boxes in terms of the thunderbolt bus on port going when the system resumes from sleep (thunderbolt devices connected to a tb4 dock eject/disconnect).

But I am glad apple was willing to rethink the iPadOS UI.
I don't think that the MacBook Air is prone to overheating under normal conditions so the iPad will probably be OK. You have to run games that push the GPU and CPU or similar kind of process to hit the thermal limits. This is not like the old Intel MacBooks that would overheat just running a browser.
 
Kind of agree or I am just getting „wiser“ with age and realize we are only talking about tech here. I used to be OBSESSED with Apple products. Now it’s like „wait, what iPad Pro gen are we at right now?“ wait what is the latest watchOS number?
Right with you. The Apple Watch Ultra was the first Apple product in several years I was legitimately amped about. I love the products I have, but there’s nothing that’s super exciting. Could be the general state of tech though And that we’ve come to a point with the current tech where there’s not much left for it to do for us. Something new will need to come along.
 
iPad mini with m1 or m2 would be great. Thank you.
Why though? Even the iPad Pro M1 is hugely overpowered at this point. It will take some time for the pro applications to catch up to the iPad Pro M1.

Plus the small size of the mini would make the thermals problematic.
 
2022 chip in a 2018 device.

And for most users, the 2018 chip is still pretty great.
 
Right with you. The Apple Watch Ultra was the first Apple product in several years I was legitimately amped about. I love the products I have, but there’s nothing that’s super exciting. Could be the general state of tech though. And that we’ve come to a point with the current tech, where there’s not much left for it to do for us. Something new will need to come along.
Incredible! We're in the middle of the x86-to-arm64 transition and the generation iPhone is absolutely unimpressed by the death of Intel.
 
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