Given the size of a possible 27" iMac successor, I don't have a problem with anything they use as a better AS processor, just release it.
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Gurman: New MacBook Pro Models to Launch in Early 2023, iMac With M3 Chip Possible Later in Year
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The M2 Air is barely 6 months old and Apple has shifted to closer to an 18 month cycle for Mac products. The M2 Pro/Max MBPs aren't even late yet.
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M2 family of SoCs is a placeholder, filling a few gaps while Apple awaits the 3nm-based M3 family of SoCs...
This is not what Apple wanted to do, but what Apple is forced to do; all this is due to the tailspin the worldwide supply chain & manufacturing has been in for the last few years...
This is not what Apple wanted to do, but what Apple is forced to do; all this is due to the tailspin the worldwide supply chain & manufacturing has been in for the last few years...
What if M2 family is not a placeholder and first M3 using 3 nm samples is late 2023 at the earliest? Then takes most of 2024 to design/produce Macs that use them?
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Spring 2023 seems like it will be a Mac-centric event. January looks perfect for an introduction to their AR/VR plans, with release later in the year. The Watch was introduced in September 2014 and not released until late April 2015, so I don’t think this would be unprecedented.
This is the same guy who said with complete certainty that the M2 MBP would be out in September 2022.
Just keep guessing until you get lucky.
Just keep guessing until you get lucky.
I had the impression it was above all due to power/performance (spectacularly achieved) , the ability to customize the SoC with extra functionality and bill of materials (BOM) for their computers.
A lot of consumer-grade routers already support 6E (Nest WiFi and Eero are the ones I’ve seen). I have 6E on my home Ubiquiti setup, you have no idea how nice it is to run a 160Mhz channel, my Windows desktop negotiates a 2Gbps link that’s entirely free of channel interference.
It’ll continue to come online at schools, hospitals, workplaces, airports, and it’s a much better experience than 5ghz.
Speculative reasoning and the fact that only a few top-selling Macs/iPads have gotten the M2 SoC, while a number of Macs/iPads remain stuck on M1 SoCs...
I have mixed opinions - yes and no. I agree that we are in a era of computers where "this year" and "last year" aren't necessarily that different in performance. Nothing like the 1990s where a two year old computer is obsolete.
But at the same time, I didn't buy (for example) an M1 Mac Mini upon release. And now, tho I might want a Mac Mini, I refuse to buy a two year old product. While consumers *should not* want or need a new computer every year, buying an older model means they are already closer to the inevitable obsolescence via macOS support being dropped in the future.
The M1 iMac is only days past the 18 month window since launch. The M1 Pro/Max/Ultra devices are still well within that. The Mini is the only thing that you could reasonably consider to be well overdue for an M2 refresh.
No the Mac Mini is not nearly as fast as the Mac Pro. Apple's triggered and staged demos are designed to imply such but in actual work a fully loaded Mac Pro trounces all other Macs. If Apple actually put in a 2022 Xeon in there it would be considerably faster, but they have purposely left it languishing to help show it against their 2022 M2 models as weaker. If they had switched to Zen 4 it would be embarrassingly obvious that 128 cores/256 threads and 6 TB LPDDR5 per socket EPYCs would leave people asking why in the hell didn't Apple just switch to this three years ago when it was a Zen 3 with 2 TB LPDDR4.
Zen 5 mixed core types/mixed chiplet sizes SoC with FPGA chiplets, Neural Engine SoC chiplets are going to have everyone inside the AMD camp smiling. Not so much outside.
Apple went in house knowing ARM has some serious hurdles moving forward which they addressed many but now AMD has upped the game in new designs adding Xilinx IP and more.
IoT products aren't going to be the world of the Jetsons, thankfully. Lots of start ups will crash and burn. Apple will continue to grow and lead in the embedded space of iOS/iPadOS/watchOS/tvOS and be happy for it's minor but consistent desktop/laptop market share. Intel, not so much.
AMD will continue to expand its Xilinx product lines more deeply into auto, aerospace, medical, etc with expanding laptop/desktop and most of all Server market shares. RDNA 4 will add more overlap with their SoC CPUs and Xilinx IP weakening Nvidia's market shares.
And people here will still be complaining about the price of Macs, Apple Displays, etc.
Well, a lot did happen between Apple Silicon transition announcement and today. There’s Covid, supply chain woes, China locking down, the late efforts to diversify out of China, and Apple talents leaving the company. The fact that Apple almost completed the transition sans the Mac Pro is quite a feat.
At this point, the cycle is still within expectation. The Pro and Max version of the M1 were out a year after the plain M1. So M2 Pro/Max coming out next year is within “normal” expectations. Other than the Mac Pro, most of the Mac lineups have been redesigned, so it’s just refreshing them with new chips now.
My biggest question about that is getting a feel for update cycle. If M3 late 2023, the we starter to get a feel that update cycle is about 18 months. The one thing we don’t know is if that is because of shortages and not what they are intending.
Yes, as you noted in one of your other posts, that was due to supply shortages perhaps— and, more of a runway given to first two M1 machines (MBP & MBA 2020) to give developers lead time to write for the new architecture.
Probably a juggle between supply and demand. Apple knows they are selling a lot more laptops than desktops, so updating the laptops took priority.
Can’t wait for those new MacBook Pros!
Staring at the shattered screen of my current one everyday is getting old. Here’s hoping they’re out by February at the latest.
Staring at the shattered screen of my current one everyday is getting old. Here’s hoping they’re out by February at the latest.
Do we feel like 2022 has been lacking AS updates, yes. Has Apple at least attempted to show some strategy with 2022 model rollouts, yes. Will 2023 be a more active year, yes considering the change of covid policy in China.
Like apologizing? Yes
Dude, of course next year might bring something, I’m talking about missed 2y transition Tim Apple laid out and he didn’t have balls to stand up to customers, fans etc to say what went wrong in terms of time and product mix. The most he or his CFO said was that Mac will see lower revenues compared to Q4 2021.
I and probably tons of other people wouldn’t mind if they just repeated Intel transition - keep fist gen stuff visually same, change specs and improve performance. Then you’d have 2 extra years to come up with brand new designs. Instead they created Studio and low end iMac that’s thinner than 3.5mm jack… while they’re ok machines no one asked for this and Apple wasted precious time
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