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I don't think we'll see an A17-based Apple TV 4K until October. Besides the faster SoC and possibly 8 GB of RAM, it won't be much different than the current model (which is already pretty good in general, especially the version with the Ethernet port).
 
I don't think we'll see an A17-based Apple TV 4K until October. Besides the faster SoC and possibly 8 GB of RAM, it won't be much different than the current model (which is already pretty good in general, especially the version with the Ethernet port).
It is very possible we don’t see an Apple TV this year at all. Apple is working on its own frame-gen tech, which is, at best, a year and a half away.

Moreover, the Apple TV had more than enough headroom at the moment for what it does.

The next Apple TV could have a bigger emphasis on gaming, particularly with the huge gains some are expecting out of Apple’s GPU specs in the next 2 years.
 
THIS. For those of you who believe it doesn’t need a hardware update, I am eagerly waiting for AV1 support. It seems like M3 is the minimum to decode AV1. This alone speaks against the rumoured low price point for the new Apple TV.

The A17 Pro has AV1 also. An M3 would be gross overkill. The A16 could do AV1 via software, but it wouldn't be as energy efficient. The M3 wouldn't be relatively energy efficient either. Cost wise it is a substantive regression also (more expensive).

What could possibly get is binned down A17 Pro ( GPU, and maybe a CPU, core(s) turned off. ). The 'problem' with the A17 Pro is that reportedly Apple is looking to move the 'plain' iPhone to A18 on TSMC N3E ( so no A17 generation 'hand me down' in iPhones. The "Pro" class phones disappear after a year. ). The other problem is that TSMC N3B probably will not be a very long term node. It isn't a good match for a product like the AppleTV that tends to ride a single SoC for a longer period of time. On the other hand, Apple may need to soak up more N3B wafers and try to eek out more investment cost recovery on the A17 die. They need somewhere to continue selling these for a while longer.

Apple could have been collecting A17 Pro dies that have "max clock" and 1 or 2 GPU core issues for a while. For the rest of AppleTV needs just turn the features off and cap clocks. Another track would be to do something similar for the A18 ( stuff after A17/M3 era is going to have AV1 also.) . If take dies were going to 'throw away' anyway and sell them in a AppleTV that will save money also. If AppleTV slides into 2025, then picking an 'under' variant of A18 gets more likely.


I suspect the M3 won't be put in a 'hand me down' system. iPad Air pretty likely skips to M4. ( there is a n-2 gap. So if the pro goes +1 (M5) , there would still be a -1 gap between Pro and Air. ). Contributing factor to why the MBA won't refresh faster.
 
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I suspect the M3 won't be put in a 'hand me down' system. iPad Air pretty likely skips to M4. ( there is a n-2 gap. So if the pro goes +1 (M5) , there would still be a -1 gap between Pro and Air. ). Contributing factor to why the MBA won't refresh faster.
Just a guess, but I think we've seen all the devices with M3 that'll ever have M3. From the look of things right now, Apple developed M3 and M4 basically side-by-side, and the M3 release was a flex. Apple saying "look what we can do!" (first to the new manufacturing process, buying up the capacity, full lineup introduced only 147 days after the final iteration of their previous chip generation, etc)
 
The latest gen Apple TV 4K really doesn't need any hardware updates.

Good, no one needs yearly updates on this stupid thing. I have the last 3 models in various tvs and can’t tell the difference

The chipset in current is overkill.
The A15 in the ATV4K3 thermal throttles on some games and apps like Plex due to the lack of a fan.

The A12 in the older ATV4K2 actually outperforms the newer ATV4K3 on a lot of games because it has active cooling.
 
The only reasons Apple TV hardware would need to be updated is AI or gaming (or maybe AV1, but has Apple committed to that?).

Not particularly a matter of Apple committing to AV1 as the top end streaming service providers committing to AV1. Apple's sloth implementation is indicative that they are not really committed. Apple is likely more committed to a compression standard they get paid on somehow ( Apple contributed to H.266 ) . Competitive pressures from $30-80 streaming hardware alternatives that can do native, energy efficient, AV1 decompression is what is pulling Apple. At AppleTV's price point not having AV1 isn't competitive on feature.

AV1 is optimized around 1080p.

If Apple intends to squat on the AppleTV hardware for a long while then being on A16's TSMC N4 node would be a place. TSMC recently rolled out a third N4C for folks who want "cheaper for longer" (relative to the stuff after 5(4) family. ). That wouldn't get Apple AV1 in hardware, but there is enough horsepower to do decode in software. And Apple could go into a 3+ year 'snooze' on hardware updates. ( If Apple is trying to get to a $99 price point, then selling the same thing for longer is one path to getting to lower costs. )


So I guess tvOS is mostly going to be excluded from an major AI push, at least for now.

Doesn't have to be. Few folks are writing term papers on AppleTV but the "search for TV, actor, etc" is relatively common. It is such a minimalistic, yet often quirky, remote control , they push folks into the voice interface. (back up 45 seconds is somethings easier to say than do with the direction controller. )

Understanding better more so than generating long form text (or doctoring photos ) .


And does the lack of a new Apple TV portend that the (eventual) gaming push for visionOS is not going to happen for version 2.0?

Gaming 'push' ? Apple doesn't appear to be trapped in a "VR == games" mindset. Like the iPhone if the games come (and generation apps store revenue ... fine) , but that isn't the silver bullet for VR. (It hasn't been for last decades. That probably won't change in the future. )


I suppose the inefficiencies of the current A17 production means that a cheap $99 Apple TV will have to wait.

The "inefficiencies" have been blown out proportion by folks ( N3B's yields got better with time. It has been substantially over a year now). The N3B wafers cost more than N4 or N3E ones.
The major problem with N3B is that hardly anyone but Apple and Intel are buying it. Intel has high motivation to drop the volume they have on N3B onto their own fabs as soon as they can manage it. ( Some Ultra 200 (Arrow Lake) dies are being done on Intel 20A and some on TSMC N3B. 2-3 years from now which one is Intel going to prefer? ). If the request for wafers gets too low TSMC can just drop that particular process. N3B also pragmatically consumes more resources because it takes longer to make than N3E ( regardless of defect rates). So if TSMC has very long line of N3E/P/etc customers and almost nobody on N3B then they would want to reassigned much of the hardware to N3E.

If it is cheapest SoC for several years then A16 is likely cheaper while being more aligned with were the software is going over that time. It would have little to do with N3B yields at all ( N3E regresses back to N5 for SRAM/cache sizes. Caches there take just as much area as a N4 die and the wafer cost is higher. Which means the SRAM/cache costs more. No way going to be cheaper than a simpler SoC on N4. )
 
All the indications are that the WWDC keynote will be software focussed and if they want us to be talking about AI then that’s understandable. However if the top of the range machines (the Mac Studio and the Mac Pro) remain on M2 based processors then it’s a misstep by Apple. If Gurman is right and those machines aren’t updated for up to another year then it’s an even bigger mistake and many professional Mac users will be seriously annoyed.

MP 2010 --> 2013 3 years ( 2012 wasn't really 'new' )
MP 2013 --> 2019 6 years
MP 2019 --> 2023 4 years

Who exactly is rationally expecting some kind of yearly cadence? Or has been happy for last 10 years. There is over an decade of track record here. If Apple moved to a 2 year cadence that would be a very substantive speed up. Annoyed at a speed up? Really?

Decoupled from the x86-64 sever market there is not substantive volume here to flush the Ultra SoC package down the drain every year. ( even the x86-64 market doesn't do that at order(s) of magnitude higher unit volumes. ). For the volumes Apple is going to do, a n+2 cadence (e.g, M2 Ultra , M4 Ultra , etc. ) would make fisical sense. Apple Silicon only selling to Apple is a dual edge sword. The downside is that they need multiple products with longer/staggered upgrades to put the SoCs into to get cost recovery over a longer period of time. At the very top end of the scale there are not multiple products. An Ultra isn't going to go into a iPad or AppleTV or MBP.

The leading iPhone SoC gets sold for 3+ years as the (n-1 , n-2 'old' iphone). It doesn't get killed very year. Additionally it is dropped in as a "hand me down" into other products ( plain iPad. AppleTV , etc. ) later. The SoC gets sold for years.

The plain Mn ... very similar issue. IPad Air. slow as molasses upgraded M1 iMac, 'old' M1 MBA . etc.


There is recent hype that Apple is going to push the high end SoCs into their datacenters. Those are going to be deployed for just 12 months and then dumped to get the new batch of hastily retired SoCs so can 'churn' the Studio/MP? Probably not. Datacenter SoCs do not churn at that kind of rate. Even more so if offering 'free' (no fee) services with the hardware. How are they paying to throw the stuff away fast?

Same issue for the customers. top end Studios and all MPs at this point are relatively expensive. Most customers buying those will be on them for years. Someone who bought a M1 Studio in March 2022 and rides for three years is coming 'off' in 2025 ; not 2024. Upgraded to MP in 2023 ... even worse for 2024. The MP 2019 buyer from 2021 who set out to ride it for 5+ years ... 2026+ timeline; even more worse for 2024. The hyper modular fans aren't happy with a 2024, 2025, 2026 Mn Ultra regardless.

Apple's pro purchase problem is far more so that they are not predictable. No long term roadmaps. "Going to transition whole line up in about 2 years " ... and it didn't happen. ( Mac Pro took longer. ). It is a 'yearly' thing, it is a 'regular' ( 'can approximately predict arrival' ) thing.
 
Just a guess, but I think we've seen all the devices with M3 that'll ever have M3. From the look of things right now, Apple developed M3 and M4 basically side-by-side, and the M3 release was a flex. Apple saying "look what we can do!" (first to the new manufacturing process, buying up the capacity, full lineup introduced only 147 days after the final iteration of their previous chip generation, etc)

Chip development is a multiple year long process 2-4 years. It is a 'pipeline' process with various versions at varying stages of evolutionary development all running concurrently. M3 and M4 is likely much different than M1 and M2 in terms of being pipelined.

TSMC N3E got developed after N3B hit hiccups. I suspect Apple was part of that 'over reach' for N3B. However, Intel likely had a hand in that also though (it would need to be 'way, way better' than future internal Intel to outsource the x86 cores to TSMC. Intel's GPU cores were also running relatively larger than their competitors also. ). Apple probably had substantive M4 generation target in progress before they had to shift.

The buying up the capacity thing doesn't appear really true. Intel flaking on buying wafers in 2022-23 doesn't mean that Apple bought it all to squeeze everyone else out. Being the just about the only buyer and buying all of the capacity are two subtly different things that several 'tech reporting' sites seem to have gotten very conflated. Apple (and Intel) has somewhat more highly predictable volume to offset the dramatic price increase for N3B wafers. Just about everyone else are waiting for 'more affordable at faster bake rates' .

The "only 147 days" thing is also likely overblown. The Axx , Mn , Mn Pro, and Mn Max are all likely not all that far apart at completion. Testing on the larger dies might run a bit longer but the popular notion that Apple has to finish the Axx so that the Mn can be 'based on that' is likely wrong. As with the generations there is likely even more overlapping current pipline work across the shared CPU cluster / GPU cluster / NPU cluster etc. generation.

That short cycle is pretty likely more so driven by Intel flaking on consuming wafers and Apple/TSMC working out a deal to soak up more N3B wafer sooner . (e.g., pulling up the 4x bigger M3 Max so Apple is 'eating' larger chunks sooner. ). Throw on top that the MP 2023 was substantially after the "about 2 years" deadline from 2022. M2 finished a bit late and M3 started a bit early. That wasn't likely as much as 'flex' as Apple (and Intel and TSMC and etc. ) dealing with pandemic ripples. Pretty good chance Apple was sitting on the M2 Ultra for a while before released . ( also pretty good chance also because there was no M3 Ultra coming any time soon either. 'Ultra bridge to nowhere' connector on substantially more expensive wafers doesn't make much financial sense for MBP 14/16"/Studio Max only systems. )



Finally the M3 getting 'new GPU design' and M4 getting 'new display controller' design makes lots of sense for risk reduction. Has little to do with "look what we can do" on the M3 iteration. The hiccup with N3B just enhanced that risk reduction factor. Apple did a complete miss on the entire iPad line up in 2023; that was a "showing off how great they are" thing.
 
This just gets worse and worse for the pro market. It’s getting laughable at this point that MacBooks will get M4 before the studio and Pro.
Just like in the Intel days, the first chips were laptop chips and the last chips Intel released were the Xeon versions of any given generation.
 
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WWDC's is, and always has been, mainly a software focused event
Except when it isn’t. As @HobeSoundDarryl mentioned, a solid majority of WWDCs had some hardware announcements. That isn’t a guarantee and I would be surprised if there were any hardware announcements this year, but it is not rare at all.


Post in thread 'Gurman: No Hardware at WWDC, Next Apple TV No Longer Coming Soon'
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...v-no-longer-coming-soon.2427954/post-33176569
Hardware released at WWDC
  • 2003 Power Mac G5
  • 2004 Aluminum Cinema Displays
  • 2006 Mac Pro (intel)
  • 2008 iPhone 3G
  • 2009 iPhone 3GS
  • 2010 iPhone 4
  • 2012 MBpro 15”
  • 2013 Mac Pro (trash can)
  • 2017 HomePod and iMac Pro
  • 2019 Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR (and the revolutionary $1000 monitor stand!!!)
  • 2022 MBair M2 and MBpro M2 13”
  • 2023 Vpro and MBair 15” and Mac Studio & Pro with M2 Ultra
 
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That's a big part of why the release of Max/Ultra on desktops would be a reasonable move to get some more revenue flowing in during Q3 as well as building anticipation for M4 through the remainder of the year going into a wider autumn release of M4 laptops. If the desktops don't sell as many units and have a higher profit margin compared to laptops, putting out the desktops while chip yields are still being ramped up allows the technology to be making Apple money earlier in the cycle as they prepare for the much wider release of the chip on laptops several months later.

"If" the desktops doesn't sell as many units? That really isn't really an 'if'. When Apple last stopped reporting laptop/desktop split it was close to 70% laptops. Things have only gotten worse since then. Not just in Mac space but in Windows space also.

The very upper range desktops that cost so much are in likely the 1-2% of unit sales range. The MBP is likely is the 15-20% range. That is an order of magnitude difference desktops would have to 'make up' in margin percentage.

The flaw here is that the MBP 16" has high margins also. The CPU/GPU die likely isn't the biggest margin grabber. Apple's mark up on RAM and SSD capacity is substantially high. As long as they can get substantively more laptop buyer to bulk up on RAM and internal SSD space the margins are going up, but the costs are mainly staying level with the capacity increase. Versus an Ultra Package where the costs are gong up for extra fancy 3D packaging and matching twin large dies. (and extra PCI-e stuff Apple needs to toss in to keep MP somewhat differentiated. ) .

The MP actually helps users avoid Apple's high SSD capacity markup ( going to 3rd party internal SSDs in a standard PCI-e M.2 carrier card. )

If the M4 wasn't already shipping (and generating revenue) then possibly a large die could be a 'pipe cleaner' for the fab process , but the iPad Pro is already shipping. So the 'pipe cleaning' is already happening. ( And none of the rest of the M-series line up does any 'pipe cleaning' for the Ultra's packaging pipe cleaning since they don't use it at all. ). The 3D packaging probably has a defect rate (yield growth) factor also.

With the current bubble of mega AI packages , 3D packaging is also a chokepoint. TSMC is scrabbling to keep up with demand there. Nvida, AMD, others are throwing giant wads of cash at it. ( Apple isn't going block folks by buying it all out). TSMC N3E is a bit quirky in that the "Max" die could get even bigger where Apple could bust the recticle limit for InFO-LSI ( and "extra" CoWoS-Lsi capacity has completely evaporated. )

Periodically, Apple could possibly do a 'bigger first' roll out. This cycle isn't one. If the rest of the line up is trying to digest M5 generation then perhaps the top end could adopt M6 'early' (having skipped a gen). If N3B hadn't had hiccups and Apple could have pulled the M3 Max up to Spring 23 then perhaps. It is far more better aligned for one ot the TSMC 'incremental refinement' generation ( N3P or N2P ... 2nd or third iteration after a larger node shrink. N3E regresses ( on density) almost as much as it moves 'forward' (on power). To label it 2nd gen is slightly misguided. It is really the start of a library design compatible progression 3E -> 3P -> 3... N3B is pragmaticvally forked off by itself. There is a '3' in there, but it is substantially different. )


I'm sure you know more about what you mean here than I do, but my assumption would be that Apple's hardware engineers take all easily foreseeable (and probably a lot of not very obvious) internal capacities and complexities into account during the earliest design phases, in order to avoid missteps wherever possible that might cause basic incompatibilities or slowdowns. It would seem to be an expensive mistake to get this far down the line in development of M4 lineup without having solved things like making sure all the variations scale to the rest of the hardware used.

It isn't about "incompatibilities and slowdowns". Apple Silicon needs to delivery at some target cost. If 'too expensive' SoC raises too high then substantially not going to be same product target market anymore either. It is about the product segmentation that their customers (the Apple Mac product managers ) are asking for. The laptop folks would like to grab more users out of the 'legacy desktop' userbase. For example someone who bought a MP 2008 could now buy a MBP 16" + XDR/Studio Display and have enough to get work done. The Mac Studio covers what an Intel MP 2013 did. The Mini Pro or MBP 15" covers the computational workload the 27" iMac segmented out of the user base.

Generally, Apple is trying to put more performance in a smaller container. But the smaller container comes with self imposed constraints. ( Apple likes magical cooling with no clearly visible vents. ). Since laptops is most of what they sell , they are driving scale that maxes out in the laptops.

The RAM and SSD capacitiy has to do with more die edge space which only comes with bigger dies. The plain Mn needing to fit in an iPad Pro (thinnest Apple device ever) will cause issues. Although Apple likes to talk about how Apple Silicon allows them to sell the products they want to, the higher development expense of these SoCS also entangles the SoC into multiple products to keep the overall costs down. Apple's "poor man's HBM" via relatively very wide LPDDRs aggregate memory width drives that. And it a semi-custom memory packages so have to sell more memory package units to keep their costs lower. (similar with the 'nobody else has' resolution laptop screens. )
 
Except when it isn’t. As @HobeSoundDarryl mentioned, a solid majority of WWDCs had some hardware announcements. That isn’t a guarantee and I would be surprised if there were any hardware announcements this year, but it is not rare at all.

That in part was driven by Computex preceeding WWDC . When Intel/AMD made moves a couple weeks before during that broader market conference, Apple was just following the rest of the herd.

Now that Apple has decoupled themselves from Intel/AMD/Nvidia there isn't as much coupling there.

Throw in shifting iPhone to September (more than several years ago) and have even less

There is always a contingent of "broken analog clock" folks who will chirp about "Mac Pro coming this WWDC " for the first half of the year. Like an broken analog clock it will be correct time twice a day.


Throw on top TSMC drifting into a mode where almost everything new fab process incremental is always 2nd Half 202x on the road map stretching out for years. There is even less reason to land on WWDC . Either jump on the new update before the iPhone demand bubble ( Jan-April ) or get in line after ( Oct-Nov). There are other components that go into sysems likes screens that can be on other systems so rare June synchronizations can happen, but regular. There is about zero technical reason.

"has to be new hardware" is totally decoupled from the iOS beta demos since that hardware is always after for a very long time now.
 
Just like in the Intel days, the first chips were laptop chips and the last chips Intel released were the Xeon versions of any given generation.
A mobile intel chip wouldn’t beat a desktop chip. But my Mac Studio is being out performed by my M3 Max MacBook Pro. Where is the Max Studio at least?

I have NEVER had a X+1 gen mobile Intel beat the top end desktop chip. Even multiple generations.
 
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The A17 Pro has AV1 also. An M3 would be gross overkill. The A16 could do AV1 via software, but it wouldn't be as energy efficient. The M3 wouldn't be relatively energy efficient either. Cost wise it is a substantive regression also (more expensive).

What could possibly get is binned down A17 Pro ( GPU, and maybe a CPU, core(s) turned off. ). The 'problem' with the A17 Pro is that reportedly Apple is looking to move the 'plain' iPhone to A18 on TSMC N3E ( so no A17 generation 'hand me down' in iPhones. The "Pro" class phones disappear after a year. ). The other problem is that TSMC N3B probably will not be a very long term node. It isn't a good match for a product like the AppleTV that tends to ride a single SoC for a longer period of time. On the other hand, Apple may need to soak up more N3B wafers and try to eek out more investment cost recovery on the A17 die. They need somewhere to continue selling these for a while longer.

Apple could have been collecting A17 Pro dies that have "max clock" and 1 or 2 GPU core issues for a while. For the rest of AppleTV needs just turn the features off and cap clocks. Another track would be to do something similar for the A18 ( stuff after A17/M3 era is going to have AV1 also.) . If take dies were going to 'throw away' anyway and sell them in a AppleTV that will save money also. If AppleTV slides into 2025, then picking an 'under' variant of A18 gets more likely.


I suspect the M3 won't be put in a 'hand me down' system. iPad Air pretty likely skips to M4. ( there is a n-2 gap. So if the pro goes +1 (M5) , there would still be a -1 gap between Pro and Air. ). Contributing factor to why the MBA won't refresh faster.

Prior to the A17/N3B you'd have said that the CPU would duly end up in the non Pro iPhone 16 based on what's been happening since iPhone 14, but it would appear that Apple could well just go back to offering A18 Pro and A18 in the two phones coming this year.

And the difference would probably end up being some sort of binning (eg 1 fewer GPU) and maybe lower peak CPU clock speeds (where the bin CPU fails sustained performance tests but is suitable at lower speeds).

The M3 looks set to be consigned to history asap because of the flawed N3B process, so the mature M2 tech may end up having a longer lifespan not least because Apple choose it for the Vision Pro.

But it turns out that M2 doesn't have hardware AV1 decoder either otherwise I'd be saying the 9 core GPU version that's just been released in the 2024 iPad Air would be a nice candidate for an Apple TV. It's a pity because it has Wifi 6e. Maybe Apple release an AppleTV pro?

For use in an AppleTV I'd agree that A18 (non Pro) would be the better choice over the A16 - and a staggered release might make it viable without putting supply chain pressure on the more profitable iPhone for the binned down chip. Or maybe the SE could use a double binned down version of the chip - both slower and with 1 less GPU?

The A16 doesn't include Wifi 6e in the phones in which it's added (the iPhone 14), which is another strike against it I guess.

Using the A17 Pro in the AppleTV based on a few CPUs that failed to make the grade would be interesting theory but why use it when the A18 has more chance of being a bigger target for devs?

Bear in mind that a variant of this CPU could also find a home in a warmed over iPad mini refresh.

Don't forget that the same A18 might be employed in the forthcoming iPhone SE 2024 model which is meant to be based on the iPhone 14 shell.
 
Frankly that would make Apple hardware optional for me.
I think power users are going to be forced to Linux and other open source platforms regardless. Google/MS aren't much better these days.
 
I think power users are going to be forced to Linux and other open source platforms regardless. Google/MS aren't much better these days.

Power users who are really dug into an ecosystem will complain and disable the stuff they find objectionable but I don't think many will actually switch platforms. Windows power users have complained about Windows since Windows has existed but by and large they're all still running Windows, for example. The people who will switch will be the same as always - students and other people who have more time than money, and tinkerers.
 
An $89 Apple TV now exists, thanks to Verizon’s new sale today.

Also, I don’t expect this to happen, but similar to the iPad Pro getting M4 first, wouldn’t it be interesting for the Apple TV to actually get announced at WWDC with A18 ahead of the iPhone event?

Just like with M4, it would be the base version of A18, reserving the iPhone event for the unveiling of the A18 Pro on the iPhone Pro models. This could inspire developers to work on games for the A18 Apple TV now, and have them ready before the launch of the iPhone 16, where they’d also be playable.

That sure would be interesting.
 
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No Mac Studio makes it a pretty unsettling purchase for now.

Apple really has no idea what the remnant of "pro" users need in a Macintosh. All they know how to do is listen to tech youtubers. It's really sad how Apple squandered their pro customers over the past decade.
 
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I am about ready to give up on a M4 Mini Pro coming anytime soon. I may buy a used M1 to minimize the regret for when it finally comes out.

My 2017 iMac is ancient and I am not waiting any longer.
 
I still believe that this time Gurman is wrong, even if we do not see a M4 MacStudio by WWDC, we'll see it in September before the MacBook Pro.
 
I still believe that this time Gurman is wrong, even if we do not see a M4 MacStudio by WWDC, we'll see it in September before the MacBook Pro.
I think Gurman's going to be "right" again. His prediction on M4 Studios at the moment is effectively "sometime between now and the end of 2025, but definitely not at WWDC 2024 unless Apple changes their minds and does release it at WWDC 2024." Which covers effectively a full year and a half.

Historically his Mac release timing guesses haven't tended to be too great, unless the prediction comes just a couple days out from happening. Like last year, he said for months there was not going to be a Studio announced at WWDC 2023, and that M2 Studio would be skipped. He said that until just a few days ahead of WWDC 2023.

I don't want to be too hard on Gurman's checkered history with predicting release dates. One thing he does do a great job at is long-term prediction of iPhone announcement dates. He often has those pinned down to within a week or two, months and sometimes years ahead of time. 😮

I did some searching around this morning, and it seems Max Tech is also having a hard time believing an extended timeline on Studios. It's Max Tech, so take that for what you feel it's worth, but I agree with his reasoning.

The clickbait titles of "leaks" are somewhat overstated, "leak" would imply some sort of insider information, which isn't touched on in the videos unless you count his mention of trendforce.
 
The latest gen Apple TV 4K really doesn't need any hardware updates. When I first heard about this rumour, I was thinking it was dubious at best. I could imagine Apple TV one day introducing advanced features like using HomePods for surround sound (more than 2 speakers at once), but that would probably require new HomePod updates first.
Everyone would like to see a gaming Apple TV. Give it 12GB of VRAM and the latest iPhone chip.
 
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