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Smaller HomePod with even worse sound?
I'd love to have a larger homepod.
Large enough to fit an 8" sub in there.
 
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Is there any reason to believe that AR will be anything more than a gimmick? At the moment I don't give it more importance than 3D on televisions, and we all know how that played out.

There are plenty of applications for AR in industrial, scientific and medical environments - which are niches on which Microsoft focuses. However, I don't think AR - with the technologies that are available today - will take off in the consumer niche, and that is where Apple is located. If one day you won't be needing glasses to use AR, then everything will change quickly.
 
Siri wasn't the reason for lackluster sales imo. Lack of proper i/o hampered the sales of the HomePod. It was/is ecosystem locked and limited. You couldn't connect it to anything or anything to it. No BT playback, no 3.5m jack... just made it an all-in speaker for the all-in fan when it could have been a versatile all around speaker that had appeal beyond the audience it found. If the rumored smaller speaker doesn't have proper i/o I think we're going to see a repeat of the original HomePod's sales.

I like my homepods, but I hate that I have to use my iPad/iPhone to stream SiriusXM to it. Apple Music radio channels just aren’t my favorite. And I hate that I can’t change the bass for streamed content from non-Apple services. HomePod is too bass-heavy
 
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Crikey, another one of me. How many late 2012 iMacs are there out there waiting?

I echo your concerns re: 8 gigs of ram and have to pay Apple £200 for 8 gigs of ram. (Really, Apple?) I don't want to pay Apple for that cynical fleecing.

I like the idea of a new design but it looks ominous for Ram upgrading. Nowhere in Apple's line up is that easy to do short of going Mac Pro. (And buying one of those isn't easy. *looks at kidney.)

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65 Watt options for 8 and 10 core.

Doable then..?

Azrael.

me as well, I’m still using the 2012 iMac, I really want Apple to announce a new design. Slimmer bezels and chin would be great.
 
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Frankly I wouldn't mind if the iMac went back to it's 2006 days when it was much thicker.

There's really no reason other than aesthetic for an all-in-one desktop to be so thin. The added depth means you could pack everything in there, plus remove the chin, and eliminate the thick bezels. The thermals will be better too.

Think 6K XDR type thick...but floating on a hinged stand.

At the research institute where I work, ultra-wide curved displays with sizes beyond 34" are growing like mushrooms. Some people have two of those, and having four 24" displays connected to one desktop computer is nothing extraordinary. Even the folks in administration use two 24" displays with their computers. I have three displays hooked up to my Trash can Mac Pro, 2 normal displays left and right and one ultra-wide in the middle.

The problem with the iMac design is that it was not made with multiple displays in mind. Yes, you can connect an external display to it, but it will always look and feel out of place. The other problem is: Apple only sells glossy displays. Technically, in public organizations in Germany, you are not even allowed to purchase glossy displays because of ergonomic work place regulations.
 
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I hope for great things from a new iMac redesign. But more quality of life improvements than anything else. It needs T2 so it gets UHD iTunes content, and ideally FaceID given there's space for it and a much larger and better webcam would be great.

It's time to finally fix much of it's architecture - accepting display input, making it play nicer with EGPUs without bottlenecks (and ideally having a strong, discrete CPU in the first place), a much better cooling solution so it throttles less (ideally the iMac Pro one or better), less tinny sound, modern bluetooth and wifi, not losing any ports, stronger discrete GPUs even if it results in some additional thickness etc etc.
 
The only rumors I really care about (and IMHO are the "real" rumors worth paying attention to) are the ones around ARM Macs (dates, models, specs, native software, compatibility, etc.) and a mini tower Mac Pro (wheter is ARM, Intel or AMD). I think the rest are not rumors, they are merely applied logic: iMac redesign, sure; iPads/iPhones 5G with everything better, you got it; more new AirPods, yeah, why not?; Apple Watch 6, really? Ahh, yes, it's the first after 5...
 
Walked away from Apple TV this year because of difficulty in using it (the UI has definitely become more cumbersome) and reports of bad true black representation in its video output for HDR10 / Dolby Vision. My LG OLED now supports the Apple TV app directly. I use a high end Roku to fill in the gaps for things like Locast and Pluto TV. Much easier and half the price.
NVIDIA stepped up the game with SHIELD, which has a phenomenal upscaler. Apple needs to simplify HDR setup (auto video output setup if the TV is HomeKit) and just make it look great on all TVs. None of this "HDR too dark on my TV" or "HDR isn't dark enough on my TV".

As much Apple TV app on my LG OLED TV is useful in a pinch, it is lacking in many ways. It is slow, lacks chapter access, and video playback UI is highly lacking.

I hope Apple turns Apple TV into a premium set top box:
  • Apple TV ($149 replacing Apple TV HD price point, but with 4K HDR) and Apple TV Pro ($249, includes 1-year Apple Arcade)
  • A13 on Apple TV, A13X on Apple TV Pro
  • 64GB on Apple TV, 256GB on Apple TV Pro
  • Redesigned remote control
  • Apple designed gaming controller (bundled with Apple TV Pro, optional for Apple TV)
  • Support for AV1 codec (Netflix, YouTube in 4K)
  • Improved upscaler and better video processor
  • HDMI 2.1
 
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Wish we could get a better estimate on the AppleTV release. Is it May or is it October?
 
The HomePod has largely been a failure, while I do enjoy mine, it lacks in ability and flexibility to that of the market leaders. I'm not sure a less expensive smaller unit is the answer when Siri is so much more limiting then Alexia

I agree. What Apple needs to do is to de-content the existing HomePod, taking out some of the over-engineering and simplifying it. Or preferably for me, I’d like to see a non-360 degree design rectangular box design HomePod system that includes a non-directional base unit that could be placed anywhere to boost the bass response. You could then create a nice multi-room, multi-speaker system. At least that is what I would like to see.
 
Crikey, another one of me. How many late 2012 iMacs are there out there waiting?

I echo your concerns re: 8 gigs of ram and have to pay Apple £200 for 8 gigs of ram. (Really, Apple?) I don't want to pay Apple for that cynical fleecing.

ha exactly, I remember waiting for the 2012 as well. I would get one now, but £300 to upgrade to 512gb ssd is ridiculous, and I am not getting a fusion drive. Especially when I see the spec of the £1100 Mac mini.
 
When they combine a Homepod with the Apple TV or a wifi router, I'll be interested.
 
Frankly I wouldn't mind if the iMac went back to it's 2006 days when it was much thicker.

There's really no reason other than aesthetic for an all-in-one desktop to be so thin. The added depth means you could pack everything in there, plus remove the chin, and eliminate the thick bezels. The thermals will be better too.

Think 6K XDR type thick...but floating on a hinged stand.
Think supply chain: materials usage, shipping volume.

If you’re already a leading tablet and laptop maker, you already have minaturization cracked, so compressing a desktop is child’s play. As an added bonus, you gain overhead reductions and volume discounts on parts development and fabrication by doing so.

It’s a no-brainer, really.
 
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16-inch MacBook Pro refresh expected around October-November.

I really hope they release this before macOS 16, so we'll have the option of installing the most stable version of Catalina instead of being forced to used the buggiest version of whatever follows it.

Edit: unless macOS 16 is Snow Catalina
 
Walked away from Apple TV this year because of difficulty in using it (the UI has definitely become more cumbersome) and reports of bad true black representation in its video output for HDR10 / Dolby Vision. My LG OLED now supports the Apple TV app directly. I use a high end Roku to fill in the gaps for things like Locast and Pluto TV. Much easier and half the price. And, I use consoles in another room for gaming (No "Predator : Hunting Grounds" on Apple TV anytime soon). So, really there was no point in keeping the box.

I'm going to be utilizing this same set up as I just ordered my LG OLED. I have content on a bunch of services including YouTubeTV, Netflix, iTunes etc. I like my HD ATV currently because its all of the services consolidated into one area. How have you found the LG OS works for you? I've been holding out on buying the 4K ATV for now anticipating the new device may be available for sale soon.
 
At the research institute where I work, ultra-wide curved displays with sizes beyond 34" are growing like mushrooms. Some people have two of those, and having four 24" displays connected to one desktop computer is nothing extraordinary. Even the folks in administration use two 24" displays with their computers. I have three displays hooked up to my Trash can Mac Pro, 2 normal displays left and right and one ultra-wide in the middle.

The problem with the iMac design is that it was not made with multiple displays in mind. Yes, you can connect an external display to it, but it will always look and feel out of place. The other problem is: Apple only sells glossy displays. Technically, in public organizations in Germany, you are not even allowed to purchase glossy displays because of ergonomic work place regulations.

If they made two exterior 23 and 32 inch monitors....then the forthcoming iMacs would match with a 3 monitor set up?

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ha exactly, I remember waiting for the 2012 as well. I would get one now, but £300 to upgrade to 512gb ssd is ridiculous, and I am not getting a fusion drive. Especially when I see the spec of the £1100 Mac mini.

Mine didn't ship until Jan' 2013... :p

Well, the spec of SSD as standard in the Mini gives hope to SSD ONLY on the iMac.

Give it up, Apple. Fusion is over.

As for £300 for 512 gigs SSD and so forth. The SSD prices even on faster SSD parts are much cheaper than the upgrade prices Apple charges.

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NVIDIA stepped up the game with SHIELD, which has a phenomenal upscaler. Apple needs to simplify HDR setup (auto video output setup if the TV is HomeKit) and just make it look great on all TVs. None of this "HDR too dark on my TV" or "HDR isn't dark enough on my TV".

As much Apple TV app on my LG OLED TV is useful in a pinch, it is lacking in many ways. It is slow, lacks chapter access, and video playback UI is highly lacking.

I hope Apple turns Apple TV into a premium set top box:
  • Apple TV ($149 replacing Apple TV HD price point, but with 4K HDR) and Apple TV Pro ($249, includes 1-year Apple Arcade)
  • A13 on Apple TV, A13X on Apple TV Pro
  • 64GB on Apple TV, 256GB on Apple TV Pro
  • Redesigned remote control
  • Apple designed gaming controller (bundled with Apple TV Pro, optional for Apple TV)
  • Support for AV1 codec (Netflix, YouTube in 4K)
  • Improved upscaler and better video processor
  • HDMI 2.1

Apple need to put a 14x in the ATV and get serious about. With the new PS5 and Xbox whatever... They're going to be really next level. Whilst the ATV doesn't have to go toe to toe with them...it does need increased capability in cpu and gpu.

It's ageing.

I remember when the entry price wasn't so high. How about they do it at cost and make the money from the subs.

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I hope for great things from a new iMac redesign. But more quality of life improvements than anything else. It needs T2 so it gets UHD iTunes content, and ideally FaceID given there's space for it and a much larger and better webcam would be great.

It's time to finally fix much of it's architecture - accepting display input, making it play nicer with EGPUs without bottlenecks (and ideally having a strong, discrete CPU in the first place), a much better cooling solution so it throttles less (ideally the iMac Pro one or better), less tinny sound, modern bluetooth and wifi, not losing any ports, stronger discrete GPUs even if it results in some additional thickness etc etc.

Amen.

Azrael.
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The only rumors I really care about (and IMHO are the "real" rumors worth paying attention to) are the ones around ARM Macs (dates, models, specs, native software, compatibility, etc.) and a mini tower Mac Pro (wheter is ARM, Intel or AMD). I think the rest are not rumors, they are merely applied logic: iMac redesign, sure; iPads/iPhones 5G with everything better, you got it; more new AirPods, yeah, why not?; Apple Watch 6, really? Ahh, yes, it's the first after 5...

A mid-tower Mac Pro. Yes please.

As for ARM Macs. 'It is your destiny...' Vader voice.

Azrael.
 
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I'm going to be utilizing this same set up as I just ordered my LG OLED. I have content on a bunch of services including YouTubeTV, Netflix, iTunes etc. I like my HD ATV currently because its all of the services consolidated into one area. How have you found the LG OS works for you? I've been holding out on buying the 4K ATV for now anticipating the new device may be available for sale soon.
LG webOS is considered one of the best, but it is still a crapshot.

My two main complaints are its performance (it's pretty darn slow in comparison to Apple TV 4K) and paltry selection of streaming apps. While some of the major there (Amazon Prime Video, Apple TV+, CBS All Access, Disney+, Hulu, Netflix, Sling TV, YouTube, YouTube TV, Vudu), it is also missing some like:
  • ESPN
  • Fubo
  • HBO
  • MLB.TV
  • NBA
  • Philo
  • Pluto
  • ShowTime
  • Tubi
  • Twitch
While Plex is thankfully available, it is also bone dry in terms of quality video playback apps.
 
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And it’s really time to stop charging ridiculous RAM upgrade prices.

Make the RAM user installable on both on the 23” and larger iMac.

It’s not as if current 21” owners are less likely to need more RAM.
 
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