Not much point of “more displays” when the FOV of the ASUS is tiny compared to the Vision Pro. You be much better off just swiping between multiple spaces on a connected Mac.
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Gurman: The virtual keyboard is a wash
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Maybe you didn’t notice, but I wasn’t the one who wrote “TODAY”.would never have guessed
nor was I the first... but my apologies if I have somehow offended. Just waiting for pre-order.
I personally never planned on counting on a virtual keyboard.
I loved the graffiti initially, but it never scaled beyond basic use for me. I hated Treos, I wouldn’t have bought iPhone if they had used those stylus. I had an option of Samsung Black jack and Treo, I picked Blackjack after years of frustration with palm. I am glad I don’t have to deal with those devices and blackberry any more.
It’s a new device, I am sure they did discover problems and working through it. You can have all the use cases to test in a lab, but it’s not going to cover how the users may use the product. I am not sure if Grumman got info from product testing team or a user acceptance team, which should be more up to date with product launch weeks away.
No.
On a headset with a tiny FOV, you'd be better off using a feature like Spaces, because you'll only be able to see one screen at a time anyway.
The Vision Pro has a big enough FOV that you can see multiple windows at once.
A Mac is superior to the Vision Pro in at least one way: it can run Mac Apps.
Apple also now is apparently making a pencil for it, and also I just remembered they patented some ring thing that could possibly be used to help people track movement. I dunno to me it feels like those are solutions to a problem Apple caused.
What I will say that is interesting is when using at least an Apple keyboard, it seems that you get a sort of Control Strip above it which is neat. I assume you would get this in the virtual one also.
Also, a few people keep bringing up the idea of there is no way you will see people out in public with this thing on. You underestimate people’s drive to look like jackasses, making sure you know they spent nearly $4k on some goggles.
There’s people on this forum that discuss how they can’t wait to walk around with this thing in public (and inevitably fall down a flight of stairs or get caught on an escalator or something). There is 100% going to be lawsuits that stem from this kind of asshattery.
What I will say that is interesting is when using at least an Apple keyboard, it seems that you get a sort of Control Strip above it which is neat. I assume you would get this in the virtual one also.
Also, a few people keep bringing up the idea of there is no way you will see people out in public with this thing on. You underestimate people’s drive to look like jackasses, making sure you know they spent nearly $4k on some goggles.
There’s people on this forum that discuss how they can’t wait to walk around with this thing in public (and inevitably fall down a flight of stairs or get caught on an escalator or something). There is 100% going to be lawsuits that stem from this kind of asshattery.
That thing looks truly terrible. Like a HoloLens knock-off hastily re-imagined into a Vision Pro knock-off the night before CES.
Where did you see this rumor/news?
It’s possible that for safety Apple will limit the ways people can use the VP while on the move or even make it completely unusable on the move, as I really don’t think that’s how Apple intended it to be used. Just a guess though.
No one asked for the "eyesight" feature, that feature alone has made it much bigger.
Vision Pro could gain an Apple Pencil-like controller
Despite Apple emphasizing that the Apple Vision Pro does not require any kind of handheld controller, it is researching how to make an Apple Pencil for it that will have virtual brush tips, seen only by the wearer.
appleinsider.com
Seeing the dedication, and I mean hardcore dedication to hating on this product on MacRumors just fuels my assumption that many here are being paid to FUD. I don’t understand spending months of your time devoted to an unreleased product they have zero interest in buying lmao.
And by that same token I don’t understand the hardcore dedication by people that spend months doing mental gymnastics to justify buying this thing, and stretching waaaaaaaay out there and trying to say this is as revolutionary as the iPhone.
Different people, different opinions and the whole reason the internet was created was to allow them to argue incessantly.
The jury's out on the AVP - will it be the next iPhone or Newton?
I'm curious to see how it evolves. Today's iPhone is very different, in many ways, than the original; and yet true to its concept.
The slightly desperate, needy and unwavering confirmation bias by people like prefuse is a (closed) mindset I don't think I will ever understand. Where you have confirmation bias it usually comes from both perspectives, but the impression I get from reading the various threads about the AVP in recent months is that here it's mostly a one-way street.
I'm not seeing a lot of rampant cheerleading for the product at all. I think I am seeing a lot of people like myself - highly unlikely to be buying one anytime soon, aware that the thing will be flawed like all version 1.0 hardware, but fascinated by the fact that Apple have gone all-in on this conceptually and really really curious to see what the experience of owning and using one will be like.
I'm not seeing a lot of rampant cheerleading for the product at all. I think I am seeing a lot of people like myself - highly unlikely to be buying one anytime soon, aware that the thing will be flawed like all version 1.0 hardware, but fascinated by the fact that Apple have gone all-in on this conceptually and really really curious to see what the experience of owning and using one will be like.
My point was you really can't tell how tech will evolve and which will succeed. When the iPhone came out, dethroning the CrackBerry seemed a monumental task; and it took a while but it eventually did. V1 iPhone was not all that great; but it evolved. AVP may fail, or be the next iPhone. Only time will tell.
Agree with everything said here.
Very interested in it, fascinated by it, curious how it’s going to evolve.
The only people I’ve actually read say that it’ll be anything like the iPhone are investors, and investors know nothing.
Also even if it’s a total failure that’s completely canceled before the end of the decade, who cares?
With all of the technology included, it’ll clearly be the influence for advancements in all of Apple’s products going forward.
And apple will still release an iPhone every year and the Mac and iPad will be fine, and obviously their services will continue raking in the cash.
You have to ignore a lot of history to get to the conclusion that this is anything at all like the launch of the iPhone. When they revealed the iPhone it was clear as day that it was the future of phones. It sure was expensive, yes,but there was literally nothing remotely like it when it was released. There are plenty of headsets out now like AVP.
I had a few friends that worked at RIM and they just didn't get it. It was creepy how in sync all of them were with what RIM corporate was also saying and when they finally decided to compete (by ripping off Palm's work from ex-Apple guys) it was too late for RIM. Google completely restarted their Android project because of Apple and that much was revealed a few months after the reveal. I mean for godsakes people were calling the iPhone the "Jesusphone" before it came out. So there is no comparison here whatsoever, sorry.
I'll give you another example, a lot of people, many in this forum wrote the iPad off as a giant iPod touch when it was released but it had a lot of innovations with it also. Apple's first custom SoC, much of the software made for it was tailor-made for it, and its price point was half of what was expected. While not nearly the impact of iPhone, it has gone on to be incredibly influential and the tablet market changed because of it, once again because there weren't really any tablets out like it.
Now when we get to Apple watch that's when maybe I began to not be as bullish on Apple's latest products. Yes, it was designed waaay better than anything that Samsung or anyone else made, but it originally lacked quite a bit that they wanted it to have, and it was a huge expense to a lot of people, not only that but it requires you to own an iPhone. The kicker for this one and how I knew Apple was kind of reaching with it, is Tim Cook in an interview implied that it was possible (somehow) that it would cannibalize some of iPhone market.
The last huge innovation Apple did, I'd argue their biggest since iPhone was the Apple silicon switch because to me years and years ago it was obvious Apple eventually would go away from intel. What they did there was truly an innovation as well that has had quite a few copycats, and now that they lead that charge the whole industry is going that direction.
AVP judging by how many they allegedly will have at launch and plan to sell, and at a ridiculous price point doesn't meet any of the criteria to really disrupt any sort of industry. I think Apple knows that and their vagueness about it and their lack of showing it publically kind of makes you think, oh well this is a hobby product like Apple TV. Which, that's fine hopefully something comes out of it in a few years from now, but it will be quite a while for this thing to gain any sort of traction, if any at all, and will require a total redesign, and shaving the price by at least $1500 before anyone past the blindest Apple fanboys except it. I may be a fanboy but I'm not a dummy.
You haven’t tried it, so this is not even a subjective opinion, it’s a supposition.
I simply disagree it was "clear as day that it was the future of phones." When it came out, it had no App Store, you had to use your finger instead of a stylus to do anything, etc. The Simon predated it as a touch screen phone; and there were other color screen phones available. RIM was killing it in the market. Hindsight is 20/20 - but the iPhone could eaily have been the Newton.
But that is not my point - as you point out products, such as teh iPad, get written off and yet become hits; whch is exactly my point. No one outside of a select few have seen the AVP in person; yet many write it off. I have no idea if it will succeed, but even if the start is rocky it may become a hit; especially if it is significantly better and more versatile than existing products, much as the iPhone proved to be.