I wonder when they'll incorporate feet and for someone to come out with a Tai Chi keyboard
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Gurman: The virtual keyboard is a wash
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This is the Vision OS keyboard experience:
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Here’s what it’s like typing with Vision Pro and visionOS - 9to5Mac
Following the announcement of Vision Pro at WWDC yesterday, Apple is providing more details about the headset itself and the...
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It's obvious: The whole thing is a write off....
But I guess some people just have to hit the wall themselves in order to learn
I'm somewhat inclined to agree here. It's going in the "sounded like a good idea" bin with:
- ML will solve all the problems in the universe.
- Folding screens are a great idea.
Yeah, you’re right. The whole thing is trash and will never amount to anything because the virtual keyboard is lame 🙄View attachment 2336092
It's obvious: The whole thing is a write off....
But I guess some people just have to hit the wall themselves in order to learn
Reflexive negativity is a plague, we should inoculate ourselves because it just ruins life.
While it may be another Newton or turn out to be an iPhone; I can envision uses beyond zombies and porn; although porn no doubt will be one; in keeping with the history of tech and porn. I suspect Gutenberg was printing dirty pictures to make money after finishing a bible print run.
Personally, I think of it as a visual version of Spatial Audio where you are in the center of the concert hall except it is visual and audio space.
The challenge is getting environments and software setup so as to take advantage of the capabilities. That will be expensive but quite doable for corporations.
Take football, for example. Training a QB takes a lot of time and effort. The AVP could be used to setup a virtual playing field where teh QB sees various defenses, get pressured, etc. while making throws. Software could track eye movements to see if the QB went through the progressions and other sensors body motions as well as the balls actual track to "show" it in the AVP. A coach could work with the QB to perfect the QB's game; all without needing the entire team to train. Not cheap, but winning a crucial game would be worth it.
Or going "into" a dangerous area but using a robot to be the "eyes and ears" while the operator is in a safe area. Or more immersive remote medicine.
One key thing is developing tactical feedback devices so you could turn a wrench, feel a bump, etc. and have it wave teh same feel as if you were there.
Futuristic? Sure but so was computers that talk, does that open as you approach them and communications devices on your wrist.
I suspect some of the first adopters, however, will be tech-bros who want to show how cool they are when they whip them out on a flight.
I don’t think virtual-keyboard typing can ever be on-par, because the tactile aspect is important. In addition, for productive typing on a real keyboard (i.e. not a touchscreen keyboard), having physical key travel and a tactile actuation point different from the bottoming-out point are essential. You’ll never have that without a physical device (or maybe a direct brain interface).
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It’s difficult to have a great experience for long in a helmet, though. So it’s not great either way.
Or just add a damn button to cycle through nearby devices. (Since Apple is currently in button-adding mood anyway.)
The eye tracking keyboard is an interesting idea, but I don’t think its potential is as fast as swipe typing’s potential. They say the hand is quicker than the eye, after all. But I agree people should keep trying to innovate better virtual text input methods for our non-keyboard devices.
I'm sure the first gen will most likely be a write-off, but for better or worse - and I personally think worse - Apple will be the company that sticks with it and eventually makes it work.
Microsoft, as the company that actually innovates and even in their worst monopoly days was far more open than Apple, unfortunately doesn't have the long-term vision / commitment to stuff these days that doesn't delight shareholders right away and have basically given up on Hololens.
For Apple it's a far bigger deal, and I think the days are numbered where we're holding stuff in our hands to interact with a portable computer.
Well, my helmet weighs nearly 4 pounds. Fortunately, the Vision Pro is only 1/4 of thatI wouldn’t like the helmet.
I was expecting this, I mean it was not even demoed on the presentation. It should be at least useful for basic input. I think for spatial computing external keyboard/mouse is needed, for the rest it will be like managing an Apple TV. (which by default you also need to type letter by letter, use iphone to tap, etc).
Clearly, Apple should build a motorbike helmet.Well, my helmet weighs nearly 4 pounds. Fortunately, the Vision Pro is only 1/4 of that
New category of product. Version 1.0. This is a big well duh.... kinda news. Don't you think?
I agree these are important aspects for fast accurate typing. Although one time I did see an Apple store worker typing crazy fast (and accurate as far as I could tell) on an iPad onscreen keyboard, on par with my physical keyboard typing, but I think that’s the exception. The learning curve is too steep for most. Plus no matter how good you get, there are other disadvantages to virtual keyboards. For tablets, it takes up half the screen, and it’s non-ideal ergonomically to type on and look at the same screen. And for all virtual keyboards, you pretty much have to look at it while typing, which makes it inefficient to do things like transcribe or take notes on visual observation, and you aren’t able to observe your typing field to correct mistakes as you make them. You could get away with looking at the virtual keyboard with peripheral vision in some cases, but error rate will increase compared to a physical keyboard.*
Voice dictation is another option but is not for all speakers, is limited to when you’re alone, and you lose granular control like unique spelling.
So until there’s some radical text input innovation, physical keyboards will forever be the go-to for serious text entry, no matter what device people are using, now or in the future.
(*This all reminds me I have always wished someone would make a virtual keyboard where each word you type or swipe shows up faintly under the keyboard in a different color. One word at a time, immediately replaced with the next word you type/swipe. It would go by fast, but I think the brain would retain it just long enough to catch typos. This way you could basically look at the keyboard and what you’re typing at the same time. Maybe some experimental keyboard has already tried this..)
I'll give Apple their due. They will actually finish stuff.
Microsoft throw poo at everything and see who it sticks to.
I think when your devices are near each other Apple expects you to use Universal Control. Otherwise I guess we are to buy another keyboard. I agree it would be nice if the Apple keyboard also had a way to switch devices manually, but for some reason that doesn’t seem very Apple-like. I use a Logitech keyboard that lets me switch between three devices so I’m good.
There’s also a health aspect. On-screen keyboards tend to trigger RSI symptoms much sooner than physical keyboards with key travel.
There was a patent for something similar to this headset as early as 2008, so Steve must have had at least some knowledge.
Apple Researching Virtual Reality Headsets
Wow looks like it haha. Had no idea. So Steve Jobs must have had some involvement.
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There was a patent for something similar to this headset as early as 2008, so Steve must have had at least some knowledge.
Apple Researching Virtual Reality Headsets
Wow looks like it haha. Had no idea. So Steve Jobs must have had some involvement.
This proves once more that Tim is nothing more than a bean counter who is incompetent at innovating and continues to ride the coat tails/ideas/innovations from Steve, and this is why I want this to fail so badly: so Timmy is exposed as the failure that he is, and resigns, and that will be his legacy.
Then we can maybe have a shot at having another visionary leader at the helm.
You can hate me all you want, but the proof is there.
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