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App developers and Apple collect the information as part of doing business with consumers so I would expect them to have it.

The FBI does no business with me so they should not have this information.

Actually, Apple will at most care about the serial number printed on your phone (to check whether it is under warranty etc. ). In iOS 5 onwards applications cannot access the UDID anymore, for two reasons: One, because applications used it to identify users, which is stupid because it identifies users - if you had an iPhone 3 and passed it on to someone else, moving all your apps to a new iPhone 4, then any app relying on the UDID is now messed up. Two, because applications used the UDID to gather information about you. That works if the same UDID is used in many places, so you could know that the same phone was used to do A, B, C and D, and you can connect the information. The fact that the same UDID turned up on some website doesn't help at all with such a privacy breach.
 
Winning Statement of Hyperbole Bowl 2012.

Geez. You really have zero comprehension of what it's like to live in a totalitarian state like N. Korea. I have many disagreements with the "in the name of security" rationale being allowed to weaken Constitutional Rights here in the U.S., but, there is zero comparison between the diabolic N. Korean dictatorship and any western-style government.


And the fact here is, almost every post in this thread is knee jerk. All we know is that the FBI had the information. We don't know whether they obtained it actively, though a direct request, or if it was compiled from evidence seized though the years. We also have no information to indicate they intended to do anything extracurricular with it.

Hence the iron fist silk glove joke. We all know the West is slightly better than North Korea, but then again it seems we only know what these totalitarian countries are like through Western propaganda and media. The fact of the matter is the US and the UK have come to be police states in the last 10-15 years. Time you took those blinkers off.......another sheeple that thinks he's free :rolleyes:
 
I don't think that the fact it was a Dell computer is relevant to the issue at hand. It was a Java vulnerability that was exploited and if I had to guess, I would say that the FBI agent was specifically targeted in order to mine information from him. If he were using a Mac with an un-patched and active Java environment, he would have been just as susceptible.

That is a totally unproven assumption.
 
Checking to see if you are on the list is pointless. It is a list of 1m items out of 12m collected in a single file associated with a single device.

It's not pointless, if enough people check their UUIDs against the list, then there might be someone finding their UUID and that would confirm that the list is genuine. (The probability that you would find your own UUID is pretty low though, so for entirely selfish reasons it would most likely be pointless...)

Since I found my password (and I don't use weak passwords) hashed in the LinkedIn password dump, I knew that it was real, obviously, by then, it had already been confirmed as genuine by others.
 
When we signed away our freedom under the patriot act, we gave away our rights and protection under the Constitution.

The fear of the few outweighed the rights of the many.

While I do not like the patriot act, the FBI could have had these identifiers without the use of it.
 
um why are you trying to pretend that you dont know that the govt os watching everything everyone does..?

Um, why are you assuming that, asking what the FBI is doing with particular information is "trying to pretend that you dont know that the govt os watching everything everyone does"? :rolleyes:

Oh, and if the Government *is* watching everything everyone does, then they're violating about half a million laws in the process, and need to be called on it. :cool:
 
Can you buy an Apple laptop without a built in microphone and camera?

How easy is it to buy an Apple laptop and then remove the built in microphone and camera yourself?

I'm unsure about buying practices when it comes to the FBI, but the DOD isn't buying Apple laptops for those reasons.

Any built in microphone or camera should be considered hot and a security threat.

It doesn't take much to physically disable these two devices. :)
 
Laugh as much as you like, you've already lost so many civil liberties since 2000. What next? Just keep believing that they need this info to keep YOU safe. Baaaaaa:rolleyes:

I've been in the US for many years now and am continually amazed by the average American's ability to forget what happened to him/her ten seconds ago.

I think the government has an incredibly hard job to do (protecting us), and sometimes they go way overboard, good intentions or otherwise. It is up to the people to hold them accountable.

I try not to be cynical, but I see this blowing over in a few days, and everyone will just go back to consuming stuff and drinking their lives away:(
 
Hence the iron fist silk glove joke. We all know the West is slightly better than North Korea, but then again it seems we only know what these totalitarian countries are like through Western propaganda and media. The fact of the matter is the US and the UK have come to be police states in the last 10-15 years. Time you took those blinkers off.......another sheeple that thinks he's free :rolleyes:

Do you have any idea what freedom actually is? It doesn't have anything to do with whether your movements are captured on CCTV, or your private details are held by the government, it relates to little things (probably unimportant to you...) like being able to marry whomever you choose, regardless of their race, gender, or religion. Or maybe the fact that you can protest against the government, start your own political party, stand for office, apply for any job, practice any religion without fear of persecution, live wherever you want, start your own business, travel abroad, etc etc. In fact, living in the UK all you have to do is agree to abide by the laws of the country, and if you do that then you can live your life however you choose.

But hey, what does that matter? You can sit behind your keyboard and compare our country to living in North Korea, and use phrases like 'Western Propaganda', 'police state' or 'sheeple', so obviously you know best.
 
Why the hell does the FBI need that information? And why was the damn laptop not encrypted?

A hacker CLAIMS they got the info off an unprotected laptop, and an FBI one at that.

And you buy it hook line and sinker, just like they wanted.

Now you'll go to their website to check you UDID and give them who knows what info. Which might be their real game

After all, the best hacks are social
 
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well thankfully neither my iPhone or iPad are in the list. Well at least not part of the 1,000,000 that were released. Who can be sure about the 11,000,000... I am more concerned as to why the FBI would be tracking them than why Anonymous would release them...:confused:
 
So, basically...

When I get the "new iPhone" in a couple weeks, and sell my current iPhone 4, I can relax :cool:
 
Precisely. Which is why I used the words "guess" and "I think" in my comments. Thus alluding to fact that we don't have all the facts.

Yes, you used the words "guess" and "I think" in your comment. However, despite the use of those words, you actually made two unqualified factual claims in your statement. I'll go ahead and bold it for you below.

I don't think that the fact it was a Dell computer is relevant to the issue at hand. It was a Java vulnerability that was exploited and if I had to guess, I would say that the FBI agent was specifically targeted in order to mine information from him. If he were using a Mac with an un-patched and active Java environment, he would have been just as susceptible.

The first makes a completely unfounded assumption about the methodology used to get the data in question. The second is nearly true (assuming that the first, unsupported, statement is correct), but misses the mark, because you would *also* have had to add the qualifier that he had an unpatched, active Java environment that was susceptible to the bug in question (which most Macs *don't* have, because it didn't effect the Java 1.6 run-time.

Just *having* the words "guess" and "I think" in your comment doesn't excuse you from having made unsupported assumptions and stated them as facts. (It might have, had you actually claimed your entire *post* as "guess" and/or "I think". Unfortunately, you didn't.)
 
Any announcement from Apple?

I would have appreciated a news release by either FBI or Apple what we consumers need to do. 12 million are a lot. I read this news in an Asian news paper and this is reported worldwide. It is in Apple's interest to give its own version rather than people learning this from the media who are already speculating.
 
Do you have any idea what freedom actually is? It doesn't have anything to do with whether your movements are captured on CCTV, or your private details are held by the government, it relates to little things (probably unimportant to you...) like being able to marry whomever you choose, regardless of their race, gender, or religion. Or maybe the fact that you can protest against the government, start your own political party, stand for office, apply for any job, practice any religion without fear of persecution, live wherever you want, start your own business, travel abroad, etc etc. In fact, living in the UK all you have to do is agree to abide by the laws of the country, and if you do that then you can live your life however you choose.

But hey, what does that matter? You can sit behind your keyboard and compare our country to living in North Korea, and use phrases like 'Western Propaganda', 'police state' or 'sheeple', so obviously you know best.

Do you know what freedom is?

Apparently, you have been conditioned to believe that as long as you can live your life in peace, spying on you is a-ok, because, what do you have to hide to begin with?

It is a matter of principles. Governments spy on their enemies. Are we really the enemy in our own country? No, we are not, and we are being treated like we are.

If we can let the Government get away with reading all of our email, what else will we allow them to do? Will we say "put camera's in our houses because we cant take care of our children"? Will we say "Tell us what to do because we cannot think for ourselves"? You give the Government an inch and they take a mile, and that is why letting them spy on us is not freedom
 
Oh wait! Someone dressed in black is knocking at my door…
Ooh, there is a nice man wearing a black suit at my door. I will go let him in.
A black SUV with tinted windows just parked across the street… I have to go.
Y'see, you say that, but it probably won't actually happen. The government doesn't care too much about some guy mouthing off on the Internet. They're too busy providing public schools, roads, public transit, safe food and water, and other public services and infrastructure.

And yes, they are also collecting data about you. But honestly, a LOT of the data they collect was public anyway (Facebook, Twitter, etc.), and you have to realize that nothing said or done on the Internet, which, by the way, was started by DARPA, is 100% secure. But really, what is?

Get back to me if the government ever tries to take you out.
 
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