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My apologies if this has already been posted, but enabling two-step authentication doesn't remove your security questions.

Apple says it does when you turn it on.
 

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I'm old school enough to be comfortable going back to paying cash for purchases, staying off cloud based information services and backups, and sticking with local backups of my devices.
 
I am not saying that their privacy should be invaded...

But when you take (and keep) pornographic photos and videos of yourself, AND you are a high profile individual, do you not figure soemthing like this is bound to happen?
 
My apologies if this has already been posted, but enabling two-step authentication doesn't remove your security questions.

From Apple's web site on 2 factor:

"Do I still need to remember any security questions?

With two-step verification, you don't need to create or remember any security questions. Your identity is verified exclusively using your password, verification codes sent to your trusted devices, and your Recovery Key"
 
Nice little read here. I guess we can say "You're locking it wrong." is the new "You're holding it wrong." catch phrase for the year. Classic Apple stuff folks.

http://www.ibtimes.com/apples-blame...oto-breach-wont-fix-its-trust-problem-1676436


"This is a distinction that customers don’t care about. They will hear, in effect, “It’s not our fault hackers guessed your password.” This blame-the-user mentality is reminiscent of the 2010 release of iPhone 4. The phone’s antenna was exposed externally, and gripping the phone a certain way might cause your call to disconnect. Apple dismissed loads of complaints with what became a party line amounting to a joke: “You’re holding it wrong.”

This is 2014’s “You’re holding it wrong.” Blogger Michael Arrington thinks this is a big problem going forward. “Even if Apple fixes the problem, or has fixed the problem with the patch they just released, they’re still screwed, The damage, the massive damage, has already been done. Because everyone now understands that their phones aren’t secure. Even things they thought they deleted are vulnerable. That’s something that will haunt Apple for a decade.”

Lol. This is September 2nds, "apple is doomed"
 
Would it be better if Apple prevented restores/downloads of iPhone backups without a trusted device being present?

it might be 'better' from a security point of view but one of the major reasons for iPhone backups is warranty replacements. which would not be trust devices. and in some cases the trusted device is totally non operational. thus mucking up the owner getting their stuff back efficiently. especially if they need a trusted iPhone to make the new iPhone trusted

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Hacked friends or family. Personal assists, business associates, or stolen off business documents by some low-level employee. Social engineering of the person or people who would know the address.

Even your local Apple Genius could help one of these celebrities or their assistants & they would have access to all of their info.

Actually they wouldn't have access to 'all of their info'. perhaps their apple id email but not necessarily everything else. its more likely the emails got out from a well meaning but stupid family member, a disgruntled assistant or boyfriend etc

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It seems clear these tools are being used by hackers to access iCloud backups, so I don't think it's just limited to opinion. I'm not sure what the issue is with the headline -- it doesn't imply that it was the method of attack for the celebrity hacking, just that it's a phenomenon that's ongoing. What is misleading?

The headline implies that the hackers used special software created for law enforcement for the hack. But in fact there are ways of doing it that don't need that software and there is no proof it was a part of the scheme

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This is why it was a terrible idea to force IOS users to use iCloud for contacts info. I never wanted anything in iCloud, including contacts. Let us sync contacts locally, in iTunes.

Screw iCloud.

you aren't forced to. you can totally choose to never sign into iCloud
 
it might be 'better' from a security point of view but one of the major reasons for iPhone backups is warranty replacements. which would not be trust devices. and in some cases the trusted device is totally non operational. thus mucking up the owner getting their stuff back efficiently. especially if they need a trusted iPhone to make the new iPhone trusted

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That is true, most of the time restores are to a new phone. BUT all iPhones boot up able to receive SMS messages if the user (or your Apple store staff) has inserted the sim card or has gone through the activation process with the carrier for CDMA phones. This would allow for the 2 factor code to be sent to the new phone as the trusted device because a SMS number is one of the required things you must provide as you set up two factor. All Apple would need to add is a field in restore that requires you to enter the code that they sent you by SMS on the new device or from the device that is your trusted device before you could do the restore. This would also break the software described in the OP as there would be no way to receive the code unless the software user has your trusted device or it's sim card.
 
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the end of 2014 is upon us..

Dooms day, and all of Apple servers wlll go down in one fell swoop :)

oppsy.
 
Apple also probably forgot about encrypting authentication tokens on the user's computer.

The Forensic Edition of EPPB allows downloading of iCloud data without the password of the Apple ID, because the Forensic Edition will obtain the authentication tokens used by the computer for iCloud syncing.

Apple should encrypt the authentication tokens itself with AES-256.

But that means having access to a computer that is signed into the same iCloud account. Which means it is useless in this case.
 
I don't think we are getting the same conclusion. The hackers are getting the persons ID AND password somehow, someway. Then they are getting someone's backup using their ID AND password (or resetting them). This isn't a security hole. This is a feature overlook. But yes, needs to be fixed.

I believe it was actress Selma Hayek who got her email hacked. Someone thought it clever to try variations of her name on all the free email systems (firstnamelastname@, lastnamefirstname@ and so on). They hit one that worked and asked for her birthdate, which you can get off IMDB, and the security question 'my first oscar nomination' also something very easy to get. Was the email provider hacked to get her emails. nope. she was the victim of idiocy either by herself or an assistant

No matter what Apple does they can't patch up stupid
 
Sigh. No.

The 2-factor authentication Apple has set up works specifically to stop people from guessing/researching/finding answers to your "security questions" (by actually eliminating all security questions). This stops them from resetting your password, thus gaining access to your iCloud account, thus gaining access to your iPhone backups.

Therefore it WOULD in fact have stopped the iCloud backup "hacks" conducted, at least those conducted by the n00bs on AnonIB. They are specifically laying out the method they use in step by step instructions. They are not haxxors, they are not the NSA, they are not brute forcing passwords, they do not have skillz. They are just researching info on people, then going to appleid.apple.com and resetting passwords.

Jeez. Fact check anyone?

Would it be better if Apple prevented restores/downloads of iPhone backups without a trusted device being present? Yes. Would that step be necessary to stop the "hackers" in question? No. These guys are not even script kiddies. They are literally just filling out fields on a web site to get these pics.

In short, ignore the implied "the sky is falling" in this post.

DO enable 2-factor authentication on your apple id.

DO also tell Apple to increase their 2-factor authentication to prevent even more things.

But do not imagine that your iCloud account is somehow going to be magically hacked even if you set-up 2-factor authentication (and are smart enough to use a longish, randomish password).

THIS!!

I was going to post nearly the exact same thing but you summed it up perfectly!
 
All software companies have to find a balance between security and ease of use for the everyday person. People like us on sites like this understand the need for security more than casual software/hardware users.

Apple, like any other company, can make their system very robustly secure. But how many users will enjoy that?

Remember how many people didn't even use lock codes on their phones? Then blamed Apple that their devices were being stolen?

2 step verification has been around for how long?? And how many people actually use it?
 
This is why it was a terrible idea to force IOS users to use iCloud for contacts info. I never wanted anything in iCloud, including contacts. Let us sync contacts locally, in iTunes.

Screw iCloud.

You have to set it up, and you have options to disable it, individually or altogether. People, please educate yourself. No one force you to use iCloud backup. That being said, I found the backup features are very useful. Just remember to activate 2 steps verification if you are going to use. Be smarter for hackers are getting smarter too.
 
All software companies have to find a balance between security and ease of use for the everyday person. People like us on sites like this understand the need for security more than casual software/hardware users.

It certainly is a balance. However, when it comes to 2-factor authentication, Apple has really done the about the least possible to make it more secure. The problem is the data being stored in iCloud is becoming more and more important. With the rumored release of an Apple payment system, Apple is going to have a major trust problem on their hands. Even if the issue isn't all Apple's fault, public perception is going to really force Apple to do something fairly drastic I would imagine.
 
I suspect by year end, Photos in iCloud, iCloud Backups, everything, will all be encrypted.
encrypting backups would certainly be a good thing but it would not have any bearing on the particular vulnerability being discussed here. restoring from a backup would still be authenticated just by the password.

There are plenty of authentication systems that could be used to prevent this.

Apple has 2-factor. That should have been the default, instead of optional.

A simple phone call to reset passwords would be a lot less tempting for hackers than a hacker-friendly web reset.

Apple also could have used TouchID.

And so on.
it's far from being that easy. 2-factor authentication as a default?
several reasons against it, the first being that there are quite a few people out there without cell-phones but with ipads or ipods. what do they do?

phone calls to reset passwords?! that's a terrible idea. it would not solve any security problems and just make things needlessly complicated for users.

Touch ID? that can't possibly work for people with older i-devices. also, what about people who want to reset their icloud passwords but do not own any i-devices?

"And so on." well that might work if you actually list something viable.

This is not such an easy problem to fix - else Apple (and other companies) would have fixed it already. All that said, Apple can certainly improve one thing and that is get rid of the standardized security questions. they use the same ones that everybody else uses (mother's maiden name, first pet, hometown and so on). These are easily researched even if not targeting celebrities. Plus every single damn site uses the same stock security questions. if just one of them gets hacked, all the other sites are immediately compromised even if you use unique passwords. The best would be to allow users to make their own questions. some sites do that but not many.
 
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You mean weak answers to password reset verification questions? :D

Apple doesn't tell the user to obfuscate their answers to the questions. They just ask for honest answers. The problem is the use of standard verification questions is never a good idea.
 
I believe it was actress Selma Hayek who got her email hacked. Someone thought it clever to try variations of her name on all the free email systems (firstnamelastname@, lastnamefirstname@ and so on). They hit one that worked and asked for her birthdate, which you can get off IMDB, and the security question 'my first oscar nomination' also something very easy to get. Was the email provider hacked to get her emails. nope. she was the victim of idiocy either by herself or an assistant

No matter what Apple does they can't patch up stupid

So true.
 
what can we do if 2-factor is not available ?

There are plenty of authentication systems that could be used to prevent this.

Apple has 2-factor. That should have been the default, instead of optional.

A simple phone call to reset passwords would be a lot less tempting for hackers than a hacker-friendly web reset.

Apple also could have used TouchID.

And so on.

I'd really love to implement the 2-factor but I leave in a french territory with a different phone code (+687) than the main french one (+33) so when want to register my mobile phone the number is wrong... I'm busted.
So for all of us left out from the system defalt 2-factor verification is impossible
 
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