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It isn't illegal. The EULA has not stood up in court as being legally binding yet anyway. Why would I want to save up my money to buy a Mac Pro when they're currently insanely overpriced? The hardware in the 2.66GHz Quad Mac Pro is about $1000 overpriced (Dell sells virtually the same machine for $1389). I could not buy a Mac Pro with the same performance as what I've built down no matter how much I paid. The only thing I'm going without now compared to the W3xxx processor based workstations is ECC memory support, which frankly, I can live quite happily without.

Why would I need to suggest to clients that I am a Mac owner? What kind of a fool gets work based on what their computers look like?

Use linux then... buy a G5... ya know?.

Do what you like. Goodbye.
 
Really? Even on my campus? Does that mean I would have to break in to one of the private or commercial studios in the area to avoid fighting with other students over studio time?
If your school doesn't, try discussing it with the department head, as you'd have a logical argument. At least it could get the hours extended, if not 24/7.

But denying somebody their rights to their property is justifiable as long as I am not trying to make a profit, right?
If you take the equipment, you prevent others from using it, as there's only that object. That's not the case with software, as it's not physical in nature, but information. Slight, but important difference between physical and intellectual property. Both are theft in a legal sense, but one causes real harm, rather than potential profit loss (presumption of lost sales).

dont come to our uni then! 3+ year old computers...terrible internet (that we pay for).. software that is old (e.g. must be emulated! :eek:) and pathetic..
That's not uncommon from what I've seen. Students get access to left-over, ancient equipment. Software as well, as it's too old to run newer applications, even if the budget is there.

i torrent software, it makes it so easy for us students to do the required work.
I'm not arguing with this. I see it as a result of need, lack of resources provided by the educational institution, and lack of funds to purchase a license.

The assignments are due regardless, and students will do what they need to in order to get them done (last second procrastination or not :p). ;)
 
My personal opinion about Hackint0sh is:

Been there, done that, NOT WORTH IT.

Nothing beats the original. My conclusion is that I rather run windows on pc's. OSX just seems too broken under any Hackint0sh. Especially the sleep functions and the kernel panics.

Save money and buy a real mac. You only live once. :)
 
The concept that hackintoshes are unstable just isn't true. A bit of research beforehand and a willingness to learn the meaning of kexts and you're there. I use my hackintosh to run complex simulations for work. Instead of buying a new Mac Pro at a stupidly inflated price, I built a hackintosh that is close to twice as fast processor wise, has oodles of memory and has a large SSD boot and app drive.

Again, I have two of them, and again I don't hate them, but for a professional environment it is irresponsible to use non-supported hardware/software together, there is too much risk of things going wrong.

You can have your hackintosh and it can be totally stable forever. Or it could stop working entirely with 10.6.3. Then in six months the proprietary software needed for your studio might only support 10.6.3 or higher. It's just not worth it if your living depends on it is all that I'm saying here.
 
If you use Hackintosh as a substitute for buying a real Mac, you fail. Period.

I cannot take people like you seriously - you're a fool to yourself dude.
 
That's not uncommon from what I've seen. Students get access to left-over, ancient equipment. Software as well, as it's too old to run newer applications, even if the budget is there.
our uni isnt small by any means - its currently building a $1billion Aus hospital (half funded by the government). but we have P4 computers running XP and office 2000. it seems that all departments but the IT ones get upgrades.

I'm not arguing with this. I see it as a result of need, lack of resources provided by the educational institution, and lack of funds to purchase a license.
correct-o! even for the basic M$ office it costs a good $100 for the student version. if you dont have a printer you must pay to print at uni. its a lose-lose situation for us no matter what.

The assignments are due regardless, and students will do what they need to in order to get them done (last second procrastination or not :p). ;)
;) :rolleyes: :D unless it is a written report/assignment, i am pretty much guaranteed that i will have to find some particular software for the assignment. whether it be to create flow charts, map out particular things, create images, databases etc i will have to find it. the software wont be given to us.

anyway, opposing jjahshik32's post - hackintoshes are incredible. mine was well worth the investment!

glossy, who are you to say who is right and who is wrong with their OWN choices? correctly built a hackintosh will perform exactly identical to any mac. if you argue that the box looks different, hide it under your desk and purchase an apple LED!
 
If you use Hackintosh as a substitute for buying a real Mac, you fail. Period.

I cannot take people like you seriously - you're a fool to yourself dude.

Right. I fail at what exactly? How am I fooling myself? Bah, forget about it, I think I've done enough troll feeding for today.
 
I'd like to hear the reasoning behind this as well. I have no problem with Hackintoshes, I'm just advising that if a constantly reliable machine for a professional environment is what you're after, there are better approaches.
 
If you take the equipment, you prevent others from using it, as there's only that object. That's not the case with software, as it's not physical in nature, but information. Slight, but important difference between physical and intellectual property. Both are theft in a legal sense, but one causes real harm, rather than potential profit loss (presumption of lost sales).

I've gotten to know you through your posts on here so I have no desire to in any way insult you, your opinions are almost always helpful at the very least, but there are already several threads where this argument is fought, no need to do it here. ;)
 
I'd like to hear the reasoning behind this as well. I have no problem with Hackintoshes, I'm just advising that if a constantly reliable machine for a professional environment is what you're after, there are better approaches.

in a pro environment where warranty and all that are key for the company - the "real thing" would seem the best option of course.
 
I've gotten to know you through your posts on here so I have no desire to in any way insult you, your opinions are almost always helpful at the very least, but there are already several threads where this argument is fought, no need to do it here. ;)
NP. The thread was getting derailed as a result of the "to hack or not to hack" mess. ;) :p
 
I'm using it in my home studio. I work for a company where I do remote classical recordings. For that I have my 17" PowerBook thats been like a tank. I use Logic, the Apogee ensemble, and am getting Milennia pres soon. I use my company's mics, usually a stereo pair of Neumann 184s and two AKG 414s for omnis. For really high end jobs, I'll use a pair of Schoepps.

I'll be using this hackintosh mostly for mastering and mixing. No real heavy duty tracking.



I'm thinking that its going to be a good compromise. Of course I'd ideally like a Mac Pro, but from all the research that I've done, as long as I prepare very carefully and follow a quality build, I shouldn't run into too many problems.

Greg

I think you'll be fine then. I went as first class as possible and bought all new components for a Lifehacker build recently and it cost me barely over $1k (less than a third of what a comparable quad Mac Pro would). Mine handles running Logic just fine. In fact, that's part of the reason I wanted to build it - to set up some small scale multitrack recording at home and to play with some of the new technology that's out there.

I figured I'd likely end up repurposing it when/if the next gen Mac Pro hits, provided it meets my needs.
 
My personal opinion about Hackint0sh is:

Been there, done that, NOT WORTH IT.

Nothing beats the original. My conclusion is that I rather run windows on pc's. OSX just seems too broken under any Hackint0sh. Especially the sleep functions and the kernel panics.

Save money and buy a real mac. You only live once. :)

+1, from the hack I wish I didn't build. What I saved in $$ will never buy back the time I've wasted on this stupid thing.

Just waiting for Arrandale now...
 
Correct, DoFoT9.
I have not had one single kernel panic on my current hac, which i built last summer. Its been running about 16 hours a day, then sleeping the other 8 (much like myself), and its as solid as ever.
 
How do you reconcile that argument with my situation. According to you i did something incorrect by not purchasing a "real" mac, yet there is no performance or stability concerns on my rig. That apple logo on the side really must be magical.
 
you clearly didnt do something right then ;)

You're probably right... I could waste even more time trying to screw around with it and figure it out, or just get an Apple when the new ones come out. In my experience, the Apple's Macs require less fiddling. I just need the darn thing to work. After this experience, I don't mind paying twice as much for an already configured Mac. May not be worth it for everyone... but it is to me.
 
Wow, you think? :rolleyes:

Yes, he didn't get a Mac; a REAL Mac.
haha im afraid that doesnt make any sense. you are partly correct in the sense that getting a real mac would make it a real mac - thats only logic.

you are incorrect in the sense that a hackintosh cant act like a "real mac".

How do you reconcile that argument with my situation. According to you i did something incorrect by not purchasing a "real" mac, yet there is no performance or stability concerns on my rig. That apple logo on the side really must be magical.
my point exactly hehe.

You're probably right... I could waste even more time trying to screw around with it and figure it out, or just get an Apple when the new ones come out. In my experience, the Apple's Macs require less fiddling. I just need the darn thing to work. After this experience, I don't mind paying twice as much for an already configured Mac. May not be worth it for everyone... but it is to me.
thats fair enough in your case! but in the defence of hackintosh's, if you purchase the correct hardware the installation of OSX goes just as simply as on a "real mac". the purchase/installation of the PC hardware might take a while to configure but thats what makes it fun :D
 
thats fair enough in your case! but in the defence of hackintosh's, if you purchase the correct hardware the installation of OSX goes just as simply as on a "real mac". the purchase/installation of the PC hardware might take a while to configure but thats what makes it fun :D

Not so fun when you're way behind at work... If I had more time, it'd probably be more fun. ;)
 
Hey everyone, just to let everyone know that I've got everything up and running with no problems.

The computer is super fast. I'll post pictures when I can.
 
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