I'm not angry, lol. just pointing out the marketing overhype. quite honestly i could care less about raw format, and if I was a professional photographer, I'd use a professional mirrorless camera. My posts show how good the 12 camera is as is. I don't feel cheated or angry just stating the obvious what apple is doing here with the marketing. To think the most current ipad pro can't handle Proraw despite having 6 gig of ram is ok is absurd, some folks will defend apple for everything.
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Halide Developer Explains How Apple's ProRAW Option Works on iPhone 12 Pro
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ProRAW are meant to be 12bit whilst HEIC are a lesser 8bit.
However, there is an issue here that I cannot understand....
An example file of both an HEIC and RAW shows the HEIC file comprises two components:- A 4MB .MOV and a 1.1MB .HEIC file, totalling 5.1MB; whilst the RAW has a single component 24.6MB file.
The issue is that if you look at the EXIF date for both, they equally display 8bit and not the 12bit for the RAW.
So, where exactly is the 12bit recorded?
However, there is an issue here that I cannot understand....
An example file of both an HEIC and RAW shows the HEIC file comprises two components:- A 4MB .MOV and a 1.1MB .HEIC file, totalling 5.1MB; whilst the RAW has a single component 24.6MB file.
The issue is that if you look at the EXIF date for both, they equally display 8bit and not the 12bit for the RAW.
So, where exactly is the 12bit recorded?
the pro ipad, 2020 model with 6 gig ram, don't support Proraw. and you are correct, I will never use it.
But iPad Pro chip is A12(z). Not A14. iPad Pro sensor is crap... may not even be worth it.
ProRaw works on A14 and 6 gB RAM.
And your posted pics are just that... boring daytime pics. ProRaw is about the extreme lighting conditions that can only be exploited with RAW.
lol maybe cause the article was on the front page of macrumors and I read it and left my thoughts on the matter.... wtf do you care? you the thread police now?
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And your thoughts are… "Apple is terrible because the feature I'm not going to use anyway doesn't exist on my phone, nor in an iPad with a much weaker sensor and CPU, but does exist in this particular phone, but also I don't care because the pictures are already good enough regardless"? Do I have that right?
I don't get it.
People complain that Apple no longer caters to pro customers, then when they actually do, the complaint is that the difference is negligible.
Not police, but just questioning your reasoning that is clearly flawed by your (lack of) understanding of the requirements of ProRAW.
whatever you want to believe , so 6 gig and a14 processor are the official horsepower needed for pro raw
the 2020 ipad pro model blows away the iphone 12 pro in graphics performance. maybe do a little research before you just blindly defend apple... the 12 pro beats the ipp in single core performance only and not by a very large margin... the ipad pro has better multicore and metal performance but whatever.
heck even apple marketing is calling them pro cameras on the ipad pro. "Advanced cameras combined with a large display, fast performance, and highly calibrated sensors"
but according to the madtiger the IPP sensors are crap.... smh
oh and chucker, you don't get a lot of things, including my thoughts.
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"To think the most current ipad pro can't handle Proraw despite having 6 gig of ram is ok is absurd, some folks will defend apple for everything."
The latest iPad Pro was released in March of this year, with an A12Z processor. The new iPhone 12 has an A14 processor, and a new camera system. Apple's ProRaw image format was released just a few days ago.
Also, and here's the real reason as it seems to escape you... The iPhone fits in a shirt or pants pocket, and because of its compact size, is supremely useful as camera that's always with you, whether you'r a casual snapper or serious photographer. Even more so as it's also a phone making it a device that's always with you regardless of having a camera.
Yes, if an iPad Pro could somehow fit in my shirt or pants pocket, as a photographer who wants a camera that's ALWAYS WITH ME, I'd consider using one for my everyday photography, Until then, no way for me. That would be insanely STUPID.
Will the next generation iPad Pro support ProRAW format? Quit possibly as it will be released sometime next year, months after Apple's ProRes format was released a couple days ago. At the moment, and because of the above, I suspect it's not a huge priority for Apple as most people don't use an iPad for everyday photography, due to its size.
"some folks will defend apple for everything."
Relax. If the above explanation as to why the March 2020 iPad Pro and camera, released nine months ago, does not support ProRes format two days after it was released by Apple, in conjunction with most people not using iPad's for everyday photography, still remains elusive to you, well, whine on.
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The 25mb per photo has me concerned. My Wife wants a new iPhone 12 Pro Max to take great pictures of our baby, im just worried the 256 might not be enough and maybe I should get her the 512 or would that be over kill? She will be mainly taking pictures videos etc on the phone.
apple touts the ipad pro camera. it has nothing to do with size but defend on
a serious photographer may rely on a pocket camera but when it comes to a more serious photo they aren't going to rely on a pocket camera with a 2.5 optical zoom but nice try.
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I believe Apple uses the Neural Engine for a lot of the computational image processing. The 2020 iPad Pro has an 8 core Neural Engine and the iPhone 12 has a 16 core Neural Engine. Could be the difference.
The iPad Pro (and it's camera) was released nine months ago. ProRaw was released two days ago. Think about it, along with the number of serious photographers carrying around an iPad as their everyday camera, and Apple's priorities.
"any serious photographer may rely on a pocket camera but when it comes to a more serious photo they aren't going to rely a pocket camera with its 2.5 optical zoom but nice try."
Such ignorance. I'm a serious photographer and have been shooting with iPhones everyday for the last five years. I suspect you believe compelling photographs come from using "the best gear." That is so funny. Strong photographs come from the photographer, based on his/her vision, imagination, life experiences, creativity, education, camera skills, ability to see, understanding of light, ability to organize supporting elements by framing, recognizing the power of gesture, mystery and context, ability to selectively hide/reveal information, and on and on.
A good photograph stimulates a viewer's imagination, releasing/conjuring a supporting narrative, and ideally evoking an emotional response. It has nothing to do with gear used.
Here's a candid photo I made with an iPhone 6 (or it may have been my 5S), around five years ago walking around San Francisco at lunch time:
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Except that A14 chip has a brand new image processor and neural engine, both of which play an extremely vital role in ProRAW. Remember, A12Z is based on A12...that is two generations old image processor and neural engine. It cannot even do Night mode.
With baby and movement, you don’t need ProRAW. Just click it off for daily photos and click on when you need it.
Folks who know of only digital post processing have no idea of the work that the masters like Adams had to go through to get their final results. You can do in moments what used to take hours in a darkroom - and with out having to deal the chemicals required. I have spent many, many hours in the darkroom working on getting that perfect image. I don't miss those days at all.
Well most of those days anyway. There were those days when dating my wife...
@citysnaps Completely agree with what you wrote. But more importantly, GREAT SHOT. Thanks for sharing.
@citysnaps Question, do you use Halide? With the introduction of ProRaw do you plan to continue to use Halide? It seems like the multiple snaps render manual settings somewhat useless. Curious on your thoughts here.
Please do enlighten us how many bits per component RAW should have to be considered pro.
Not long ago, as soon as I received my iPhone 12 Pro I downloaded Halide from the App Store figuring I'd give it a whirl over the seven day free trial period. I had high hopes for it, always wanting to shoot RAW for tricky lighting/contrast situations.
But...after using it a few days, I determined it wasn't for me. It felt cumbersome using it. I really want to like it, but didn't see a path forward where I felt like it would be second nature, like it is in the built-in camera app from Apple. Often I need to make a photo within a second or two of seeing a potential photograph and it seemed like it would be in the way. So I canceled within the trial period.
Now... That's just my opinion, and perhaps I didn't give it enough time for it to be conformable using. I know Halide has a large following, and they've been around a long time. Someone who uses it regularly would provide much better feedback.
I will say with iOS 14.3 shooting ProRAW is easy once it's enabled in Settings. Once that's done, and with the camera app open, you just touch the RAW button at the upper right corner of the screen. It defaults to off. Turning it on is temporary. Supposedly it lasts for a couple of minutes of non-use before turning off automatically. I think that's a great feature as I'd only use ProRAW for certain situations. The .DNG RAW files it produces are rather large at around 25 megabytes.
From the iPhone photo app I can AirDrop the .DNG RAW files to a folder in my M1 MBA, and then import them into Lightroom CC for processing. All of that seems to work fine. I'm happy!
Hope the above helps!