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Can't fit FaceID sensors in anything like a punch-hole camera though. There's no way. Apple would have to ditch their TrueDepth camera.

I ignore the notch. It's grown on me and I never notice it during use. At least I don't have a random black hole in my screen though. God damn those punch-hole cameras are hideous.
You ignore the notch, but the punch-holes are hideous. If you are able to ignore the notch, would wouldn't even notice the punch-hole.
 
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Sorry, your argument just doesn't make sense. A small hole is annoying yet a big block of black strip that is 20 times larger than said hole is not? I guess size does matter to you.
Here is your issue, it’s your mindset, you are a glass is half empty person, right? It’s not a piece of missing display, it’s 2 extra areas of display. So that’s added, not removed. A punched hole is a hole removed for the camera, on the iPhone it’s the normal camera area but apple added display in the empty space around the camera module. ;):D
 
Can't fit FaceID sensors in anything like a punch-hole camera though. There's no way. Apple would have to ditch their TrueDepth camera.

I ignore the notch. It's grown on me and I never notice it during use. At least I don't have a random black hole in my screen though. God damn those punch-hole cameras are hideous.
While I do agree with you, I can also relate to the people that hate the notch. It´s a great piece of technology but we cannot just assume that everybody is going to get used to it. For example I´m having a hard time not noticing it every time I grab my iPhone.
 
I prefer iOS and a more secure solution and that's iPhone.

But security and OS aside, you're deluding yourself if you say the notch is less obtrusive than a hole punch.
Don't be an Apple apologist and that fan boy who can't admit that.
Just as Android users should admit that their face recognition is inferior to FaceID.

Compromises are made on both sides. Choose which one is more important to you.
 
Yes nothing says “modern” quite like an OS that runs on Java lmfao
This appears to be an uninformed opinion, though I understand it's easy to have a misconception if you're not immersed in this stuff. Do you have technical reasons why you think use of Java isn't "modern"? Are you aware that a lot of Apple's dev platform is based on work done on NeXTSTEP in the 90's, and while they've made a lot of improvements, they never started from scratch and have maintain a lot of the work done in the 90's?

I prefer iPhone and iOS, but that has nothing to do with Android using Java.
 
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Hoping for a Surface Pro with AMD Zen 3 mobile but I'll settle for reliability of Thinkpad over a shiny overpriced POS with keyboard issues, defects with opening and closing lid, old 14nm+++++++ node, etc.
Ha seems like I struck a nerve. 😂. Thinkpads have a multitude of problems. I wouldn't dare touch that super overpriced crap. Not even sure why you're here if you have such a low opinion on Macs. Also you need to get your facts straight. The keyboard debacle is over and two generations of Macs have passed with the new keyboard. Never had a single issue with my lid opening on my 16" MBP. Sounds like you're salty about Macs and you're making up nonsense.
 

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LOL...if you even bothered reading
Your link for the 2020 survey, you would see that Apple won overall...here’s a screenshot if it was too hard for you to notice:
The OP was referring to the individual phones. But, yes Apple overall does better when it comes to their customer service.
 
That would be no better. Having to look at the back to unlock the device, or get information, is simply bad humane centered design.
That would be horrible having to flip the phone to unlock it. I could see many people end up dropping their phone as a result. I suspect Apple already has prototypes for under the screen facial recognition cameras and sensors. Probably not quite consistently reliable to release.
 
LOL...if you even bothered reading
Your link for the 2020 survey, you would see that Apple won overall...here’s a screenshot if it was too hard for you to notice:
LOL, you did not follow the discussion. Someone claimed that Galaxy line is junk and breaks after two years. Your screenshot clearly disproves this claim.
 
Ha seems like I struck a nerve. 😂. Thinkpads have a multitude of problems. I wouldn't dare touch that super overpriced crap. Not even sure why you're here if you have such a low opinion on Macs. Also you need to get your facts straight. The keyboard debacle is over and two generations of Macs have passed with the new keyboard. Never had a single issue with my lid opening on my 16" MBP. Sounds like you're salty about Macs and you're making up nonsense.

Not everyone wants to cart around a 4.5# brick with mediocre 5600 GPU and that sounds like a jet engine taking off. 🤣
 
Nothing screams “we gave up trying to copy FaceID” more than a selfie hole-punch camera.
Actually SG phones had face ID all the way back with the S4 in 2013. I have a Note 10+ having move off Apple phones. Knox is the killer feature for me.
 
Talk about boring. Nothing is uglier and more boring than a Thinkpad. Not a single bit of innovation. Thick bezels and nothing special. It's an office computer and nothing more.
Which was their main market - IBM built them for road warriors and tehy could take a beating; when other manufacturers machiines would lose pieces or break, the Thinkpad didn't. Good keyboard, decent screen and powerful enough for business apps in a sturdy chassis made them a hit in the marketplace. I haven't used one in years as I have a MBP so I have no idea how well Lenovo's TP are made.
 
This appears to be an uninformed opinion, though I understand it's easy to have a misconception if you're not immersed in this stuff. Do you have technical reasons why you think use of Java isn't "modern"? Are you aware that a lot of Apple's dev platform is based on work done on NeXTSTEP in the 90's, and while they've made a lot of improvements, they never started from scratch and have maintain a lot of the work done in the 90's?

I prefer iPhone and iOS, but that has nothing to do with Android using Java.
Yes I’m a programmer for a living and have completed a 4 year computer science degree in University. I’m well aware of Java’s limitations and what a joke it is in the industry when it comes to performance and stability. But ok feel free to lob some NeXTSTEP junk info at me that is uncited and, in your own words, uninformed.

Have a wonderful day :)
 
Yes I’m a programmer for a living and have completed a 4 year computer science degree in University. I’m well aware of Java’s limitations and what a joke it is in the industry when it comes to performance and stability. But ok feel free to lob some NeXTSTEP junk info at me that is uncited and, in your own words, uninformed.

Have a wonderful day :)
If you think credentials are relevant here: I'm a professional software engineer for the last 2 decades and hobby programmer since the 80's, and have a university degree as well. You're not helping your argument here and proving you don't know enough to make statements on Java and not informed on Apple's development platforms either. But I've seen plenty of ignorance from people working as programmers, so doesn't surprise me.

If you are developing for iOS / iPadOS / macOS using Apple's tools and libraries, look at the class library. Notice how a lot of classes start with "NS" (e.g. "NSObject")? That NS stands for NeXTSTEP. This is common knowledge and easy to verify, but since you want me to cite it, this looks like a good article on the subject: https://computerhistory.org/blog/th...xtstep-and-early-object-oriented-programming/
I forgot that Objective-C was created in the early 80's -- so a language a majority of Apple's applications are built on predate Java by at least a decade. NeXTSTEP heritage may start to be less obvious when using Swift, but Swift is still building on this same foundation (when used on Apple platforms), or at least designed to function in conjunction with it.

The major JVM implementations are quite performant and stable, which is why Java is so heavily used (especially in servers, for example), but Android's Java isn't even the same thing as the JVM, it's a different beast. They started with Davlik, and now use ART. Delivered applications aren't even the same bytecode format. And of course you can drop down to C/C++ in Android if needed (e.g. for things like game engines). "Runs on Java" isn't even an accurate statement really.
 
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If you think credentials are relevant here: I'm a professional software engineer for the last 2 decades and hobby programmer since the 80's, and have a university degree as well. You're not helping your argument here and proving you don't know enough to make statements on Java and not informed on Apple's development platforms either. But I've seen plenty of ignorance from people working as programmers, so doesn't surprise me.

If you are developing for iOS / iPadOS / macOS using Apple's tools and libraries, look at the class library. Notice how a lot of classes start with "NS" (e.g. "NSObject")? That NS stands for NeXTSTEP. This is common knowledge and easy to verify, but since you want me to cite it, this looks like a good article on the subject: https://computerhistory.org/blog/th...xtstep-and-early-object-oriented-programming/
I forgot that Objective-C was created in the early 80's -- so a language a majority of Apple's applications are built on predate Java by at least a decade. NeXTSTEP heritage may start to be less obvious when using Swift, but Swift is still building on this same foundation (when used on Apple platforms), or at least designed to function in conjunction with it.

The major JVM implementations are quite performant and stable, which is why Java is so heavily used (especially in servers, for example), but Android's Java isn't even the same thing as the JVM, it's a different beast. They started with Davlik, and now use ART. Delivered applications aren't even the same bytecode format. And of course you can drop down to C/C++ in Android if needed (e.g. for things like game engines). "Runs on Java" isn't even an accurate statement really.
Not reading any of this lmao, so much lying
 
Nah I need a credible source not lies
What in my post do you think are lies? Apple's NeXTSTEP heritage? Details about Android? This is weird, are you just trolling me? I'm just giving you what is common knowledge for anyone slightly familiar with this stuff.

Maybe you think Wikipedia is not credible because it is editable, but it's a starting point:

From Android documentation itself, ART (and Dalvik) execute Dex bytecode, which is different than JVM bytecode:

Apple's Documentation for NSObject:
What do you think the "NS" stands for? This will give you the answer:
General documenation on Foundation Kit. Nothing specific here, just browse around and see how much starts with "NS"

If you're trolling me, good job, you got me to waste my time providing links. If not, good luck in your career.
 
What in my post do you think are lies? Apple's NeXTSTEP heritage? Details about Android? This is weird, are you just trolling me? I'm just giving you what is common knowledge for anyone slightly familiar with this stuff.

Maybe you think Wikipedia is not credible because it is editable, but it's a starting point:

From Android documentation itself, ART (and Dalvik) execute Dex bytecode, which is different than JVM bytecode:

Apple's Documentation for NSObject:
What do you think the "NS" stands for? This will give you the answer:
General documenation on Foundation Kit. Nothing specific here, just browse around and see how much starts with "NS"

If you're trolling me, good job, you got me to waste my time providing links. If not, good luck in your career.
What in my post do you think are lies? Apple's NeXTSTEP heritage? Details about Android? This is weird, are you just trolling me? I'm just giving you what is common knowledge for anyone slightly familiar with this stuff.

Maybe you think Wikipedia is not credible because it is editable, but it's a starting point:

From Android documentation itself, ART (and Dalvik) execute Dex bytecode, which is different than JVM bytecode:

Apple's Documentation for NSObject:
What do you think the "NS" stands for? This will give you the answer:
General documenation on Foundation Kit. Nothing specific here, just browse around and see how much starts with "NS"

If you're trolling me, good job, you got me to waste my time providing links. If not, good luck in your career.
Lol I stopped right at wikipedia, sry not good enough you should find more *grabs popcorn*
 
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