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There's an app for that.

In fact, a lot. One of them is called PDF Expert. It's a great app.

Yeah I know. I used to use iAnnotate. But then I got lazy and stopped taking notes/highlighting, and thought it'd be sweet to have all my PDFs stored in iBooks where I also have my books (obviously). But now as I am currently studying for an exam, I felt I should at least take a few notes again, and hearing of the new iBooks 2 this morning sounded promising.

I just like having everything stored within iBooks.. And if I can convert a PDF to ePub and then make highlights in iBooks anyway, then why not just allow me to do it directly in the PDF?
 
I have never been a fan of the iPad, I couldn't justify the third device for price and functionality.

But recently I found my expensive textbooks online, and the iPad will pay for itself in 2 semesters.

I just hope I can read them on the mac until the iPad 3 comes out.
 
So my iPad dies with all 11 e-textbooks on it, with all my notes/annotations/bookmarks, etc. and I get a brand new iPad "cleaned/reset/wiped" with nothing of my personalization on it...what a great help!

Ever heard of iCloud? Syncs / backups iOS devices for free. :rolleyes:
 
Well as a college student.. this really doesn't do me any good. While it may be nice.. most professors don't allow any electronics in class that use internet./QUOTE]

Sounds like it's time to change professors. Ask them if you should use quills and parchment to better fit into their outdated paradigm.
 
I got mixed feelings about this.
In one hand those e-books they showed in the presentation are 100 orders of magnitude better than a regular paper book.
However, this system might allow anyone to write up something, call it a book and sell it. What's stopping a random professor from putting his/her class powerpoint slideshows together, call it a "text book", putting it in the bookstore and charging $15 for all of his students for a book that is nothing else than simple handouts. Even worse, what's preventing someone without any kind of credentials from publishing something that other people might attribute credibility?
In an old fashion paper-book editorial there are people in dedicated to check up all of that stuff.
 
More like Apple still hasnt caught up to Amazon yet again. I guess I'm not as big an apple fanboy as some people here, because today's announcement doesnt really change anything. In fact it merely means students buying books on iTunes will no longer be able to get money back by trading them in. This won't take off at all. Mostly I'm still completely underwhelmed by Apple's god-awful selection of mainstream books on iBooks. Horrible selection.

And a big LOL at Apple fans that think this is going to change anything. School systems dont have money to invest in this. They're cutting programs, and Apple fanboys think all of a sudden every student is going to be given free or discounted iPads. How hilariously out of touch.

What the hell does this have to be with Amazon? Amazon offers nothing close to what Apple showed today. The only one out of touch is you, especially with such confidence that this 'won't take off at all' You sound like an absolute troll, especially when you dismiss anyone who has positive impressions of this as 'Apple fanboys'. Noone is expecting every damn student to take advantage of this tomorrow. But this looks like an extremely polished, simple, and powerful end to end framework and solution for digitizing textbooks and destroys many previous barriers, and makes available for mainstream use. You think the price of iPads will never go down? It's not 'Apple fans' that think this will change things. It's pretty much anyone who has a rational, open-mind, and doesn't have some pent-up hatred and vitriolic hostility towards Apple- as you seem to do. How someone can say that was was shown today is a 'bad' thing is beyond me. You already look foolish, but you'll look even more foolish when this is inevitable adopted in a big way. Yout hatred seems to stem from the fact that you're butt-hurt about Apple's book selection. Newsflash- getting books on iBooks is contingent on deals with publishers, and they have a right not to contribute. This isn't full under Apple's control. This takes nothing away from the big deal that was today's event, and which all tech-blogs I've read (ie. non apple fansites) seem to be impressed by.

Amazing that with all the industries that Apple have disrupted, with all success they've had in areas where critics mocked and dismissed their efforts proclaiming loudly how doomed to failure they were- that some people, like you, still refuse to give them the benefit of the doubt and continue on with the mocking. Is Apple's solution perfect, for everything, and everyone, in every single situation and context? No, and it never will be, nor will any other solution. But it certainly looks to have massive potential to ALOT of people, especially has technology gets cheaper and better adopted, and I'm not sure how that is such a negative thing. Kudos to anyone that can provide the tools to make education more engaging and stimulating. The possibilities are endless.
 
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I got mixed feelings about this.
In one hand those e-books they showed in the presentation are 100 orders of magnitude better than a regular paper book.
However, this system might allow anyone to write up something, call it a book and sell it. What's stopping a random professor from putting his/her class powerpoint slideshows together, call it a "text book", putting it in the bookstore and charging $15 for all of his students for a book that is nothing else than simple handouts.

There's nothing stopping them from doing this with paper books now. In 1998 I had an astronomy professor do exactly this. To make matters worse, he published a new "edition" every semester. This meant that the bookstores would pay next to nothing for students selling back, and there were no used copies available at the start of the semester. Every new edition was essentially identical to the last.
 
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iBooks 2 takes a while to load on my iPad 2, I shudder to think how well it works on the first iPad.

Very slow and crashed a few times. Downloaded the biology book previewed on the keynote and animations are very slow and even look as if they don't work, some of the video doesn't play either.
I really want this to work!! This is an excellent idea.

Looks like i need a new iPad, when's 3 out again? :)
 
Very slow and crashed a few times. Downloaded the biology book previewed on the keynote and animations are very slow and even look as if they don't work, some of the video doesn't play either.
I really want this to work!! This is an excellent idea.

Looks like i need a new iPad, when's 3 out again? :)

I thought the whole point of paying the "Apple Tax" was that the hardware was good for a few years. What's the point of buying an iPad only to have it totally obsolete in 2?:(
 
How is this better than an HTML based "book" stored locally?

Edit: Uh, I guess that's essentially what ePub is.

It's better because peole will not PAY for HTML content. Why are there all these "apps" when a wen page cold do the same thing? because people will not PAY for a web page.

There is no reason at all the new iBook creater could not save the content as a web page except that t is hard to sel web pages
 
this is all fairly interesting but imho they're just missing the point!

the iPad NEEDS PEN INPUT, students need to scribble notes and draw stuff themselves it is a necessity.

like this, it's just not enough! I don't have one because i can't use it as a notepad! If the iPad had pen-input on top of touch, it would be huge...hands down.
 
this is all fairly interesting but imho they're just missing the point!

the iPad NEEDS PEN INPUT, students need to scribble notes and draw stuff themselves it is a necessity.

like this, it's just not enough! I don't have one because i can't use it as a notepad! If the iPad had pen-input on top of touch, it would be huge...hands down.

"missing the point" veeeeerrry funny ;)

Yes, or if inversely if they brought Internet, digital textbooks and apps to plain pencil and paper, say goodbye to iPad.
 
Radio, tv, automobiles, computers.....all great things typical start off slow and then are refined over the years.

This is just the beginning...even if it isn't apple who doesn't lead the charge.

Apple will no doubt work with the schools on these as they did back in the 80s with computers. I worry about the greedy book publishers. University bookstores have been ripping us off since at least the late 80s, early 90s when I attended.

I think David Lee Roth put it best when he said... "the times, they are a changin"
 
Great move in the right direction for education, now the hard part will be getting all the teachers and professors to allow there students to use their Ipad in class.
 
Afford?

Who the heck can afford to buy an iPad for all their children?
This is such an awesome idea... to bad its not accessible to the masses.
I know that my brother still in 8th Grade can't afford to buy an iPad as he has to contribute to the bills...
Apple this is good intention but your not thinking in the full spectrum.
Whats the point if people can't afford an iPad?
cheaper to buy text book?
 
I got mixed feelings about this.
In one hand those e-books they showed in the presentation are 100 orders of magnitude better than a regular paper book.
However, this system might allow anyone to write up something, call it a book and sell it. What's stopping a random professor from putting his/her class powerpoint slideshows together, call it a "text book", putting it in the bookstore and charging $15 for all of his students for a book that is nothing else than simple handouts. Even worse, what's preventing someone without any kind of credentials from publishing something that other people might attribute credibility?
In an old fashion paper-book editorial there are people in dedicated to check up all of that stuff.

A lot of college/university profs are published authors in their field of expertise. I had several classes in college where the textbook was authored or co-authored by the teacher. They're presumably profiting off the sale of the book in that case. How do you draw the line as to what is considered abuse?

But I get your point. Obviously there's going to be a possibility for abuse but that's true of any system, printed or otherwise.
 
This is a neat idea, but only if you could have it digitally in general versus just on an iPad. I'll stick to pirating my textbooks for now.
 
And low and behold, iPad 3 was created!...

... it's not good. :(

Such that the disaffected iMasses would be forced to put their iPad 1 and 2s on iBay and acquire the latest shiny shiny zippy zippy from Cupertino.
 
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Note that the initial announcements today from publishers concern high-school textbooks, not college texts. I suspect the reason for that is that since high school texts are largely sold to entire schools systems or districts, they are sold for much lower cost so cannibalization to ebooks is not a huge issue. At the college level, selling ebooks for $15 instead of a $200 print copy would kill the textbook publishers. So I also suspect that Apple's "sell" to the publishers was that it might open up the market for textbooks to the general population at large.

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Everything zoetmb posted was bang on and anyone who thinks they're getting a college text for $15 is nuts. Also you need to mention that universities and learning institutions make money from text books as well from campus book stores and authoring. There's no way universities are just going to allow Apple to walk in take a revenue source away from them.
 
1)You make a lot of assumptions about me, my age, and my technical ability.

2)Somehow you assume I have a 5 year old neice and that she can use an iPad better than me (and define "better" please). I have an iPad and I use it here and there. I also had an iPhone 3GS years ago and now a 4S and also an iPod Touch. Ya think with all these iOS devices I've had for the past 4+ years that maybe, just maybe I know how to use the devices quite well?

3)Generation gap. Righhhhhht

Not sure what boat you came in on but you're extremely insulting.

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for knowing everything about me. Boy, you're just so right about everything I can only stop in awe of your brainpower.

You offer nothing to these discussions/debates with comments like above. In a face-to-face debate you would be laughed off the stage within seconds.

Keep up the great mind-reading abilities.

Wow. First, let me say my intent was not to be insulting. Thus, why I inserted that I was not being rude a few times in there prefacing what I was saying so that you could comprehend that wasn't the intent or tone. However, I can't do anything about you reading comprehension or thin skin.

Unlike your direct attempt to be nasty, I merely compared and contrasted your concerns with real life examples and facts. I also never said you had a 5 year old niece. I was referring to my own (which I will admit perhaps I could have been more clear about), but in the English language you can generalize a statement for emphasis.

This is 2012. Children's abilities with technologies put adults to shame every day. I'm sorry you need to behave like a child and can't see that, or understand when someone says, "I'm not being rude... it's true... insert generalized statement." Kids almost seem to fall out of the womb with a mouse in their hand these days. (That's called an expression. No I don't mean that literally children are born with mice. I just need to be more clear with you apparently.)

Also, no one called into question your technical abilities. However, I will now after your reply. In your original post, you cite "I think the demo is not that impressive...all the repeated hand gestures and pinches. Sure, he may "get used to it" but I find the example video pretty poor on ease of use."

Since you state you've owned several IOS devices, if you think they are not easy to use, I don't know what to tell you. (Pinch to zoom? Double tapping the screen to activate media?) We've all (except apparently you) see e-books a million times, as well as the publishers who make ebooks that this presentation was for. They didn't need to see ebooks, they needed to see how to turn up the volume on them. This is another example of audience appropriate. You are not that audience, and this is also why you had no understanding of it and had the concerns you did. Again, a five year old can pick these devices up and use them in minutes without any problems. The demographic for this was education in K-12... you know, starting out with 5 year olds. Are you a five year old going to in school that might be the demographic for iPad e-text books?

I don't claim to know your age, but while you act like a grade school kid, unless you've been in an elementary school in the past 10 years, I don't care if you are 20 or 60. There is an obvious age gap. Seniors graduating high school this year would probably not recognize the classrooms from their elementary schools anymore. It's a fact.

Also, while I don't know your age, this is again where reading comprehension comes into play. If you were younger, I doubt you would have been comparing this to Microsoft Encarta... a product that hasn't been made in the past decade, and citing the 1997 edition. The fact that you cited Encarta at all shows it's an age gap issue. And hey, there is nothing wrong with that. Most of us fall into that category. Most of us were lucky if we had 10 computers in the entire school in elementary.

As for your technical ability, I'm not seeing what that has to do with anything? Please show me where I said anything about your technical ability in ANY fashion. Wait, you can't because I didn't.

However, you obviously have NEVER used an e-reader or read an e-book. If you had, the majority of the things you commented on wouldn't have been said. Seriously. You were citing that you can't put a book mark in an ebook! You realize that only 20% of people are using e-books? That has nothing to do with technical ability. One can have a very high tech ability, but does that mean they should understand Photoshop? Should a photographer know how to use People Soft? Of course not! WHICH IS WHY... I suggested you download iBooks and a sample book to see how it works. I'm sorry, did that hurt your feelings and come off as condescending? I personally, if I'd not used it before, would say, "Hey, l'll check it out." If anything, you should have walked away knowing a lot of stuff you didn't know before.

You also moaned about dying batteries, hardware failures, updates... not even knowing that Apple has had a system in place within schools for iPads now for almost 3 years addressing every single item of concern.

I also stated that not everyone has read and followed Apple's education programs. You obviously didn't know much of anything... because if you did... yet again, you wouldn't have needed to write your post. If I were trying to make you feel dumb, I don't think I'd be calling out the fact that not everyone is aware or has read such articles of information. That also invites you to fact check me or anyone else reading. You weren't the only one who was unfamiliar.

As for a face to face debate, you made my day with that comment. Debates require 3 things: knowledge, understanding of the english language to communicate, and the ability to convey things so that a very general audience can understand them because you don't know their level of education or expertise. That's exactly what I did, and exactly what you did not do. If this were a debate, which online forums often become, why is it that you can't refute a single thing I said?

If this post comes off as insulting, sorry.
 
It's interesting that a tech site such as this one has so many posters that seem to be afraid of change and can't see the forest through the trees.

This is the future!!!!
I think some of them just hate Apple for anything instead of being afraid of change :-D
 
I was all excited for this yesterday, mainly because I thought Apple was going to make it easier for schools to select texts tailored to their specific needs. And to a degree that may still be the case.

However, I can see now that my expectations were way too high. It's obvious that Apple is continuing this trend where everything in life has to be a "rich media experience." We're already creating a generation of students who expect to be constantly entertained in every aspect of life. All I see Apple doing here is furthering this expectation, not revolutionizing, or even evolving, education.

I'm sorry to break it to everyone, but school isn't about always being entertained. If it was then we would just roll a TV into the classroom every day and let the kids watch Dora all day long. Oh wait, there already schools that do that.

Thats your opinion and no one is calling it entertainment. As mentioned, it is a new way to interact. Certain subjects require interaction and videos in order to truly grasp the information being taught. Plus, if it engages children to learn better...why not?
 
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