Hands-On With Android P's New Swipe-Based Gesture System

[YaBe]

Of all the things I envy about Android, this is not one of them. Even Google is trying to ensure everyone has access to the official updates vice being at the mercy of manufactures and the telcos.

Well, as much as I understand, I am glad I am running the official MIUI and not the "vanilla" Android, as I said earlier, this allows me to have better and up to date features even without having tha latest "official Google version".

Enjoying gesture now, as opposed to this fall when Google will release it, all in the comfort of having the official rom (and with the latest security update) and not a hacked one.

 

[MacBH928]

If we didn't have competitors like Google, we would all have complacent phones, with operating systems that have no innovation, and boring hardware. Have you even used Siri?! I actually wish Microsoft would still been around, and Apple removed. At least Microsoft tried to innovate.

competition is welcomed, just not from "data collectors-sellers", I don't like to use stuff like this:
Google collects Android users’ locations even when location services are disabled

 

[Regime2008]

competition is welcomed, just not from "data collectors-sellers", I don't like to use stuff like this:
Google collects Android users’ locations even when location services are disabled

Your iPhone tracks every place you visit.
Found as one of the top results.

Google tracks location to give users a better experience. I can get traffic to and from work each day, get coupons whenever I am near x,y,z store, and several other awesome features. Apple tracks users....but for what benefit? I personally would rather be able to see what data of mine is tracked, while having the ability to delete or to opt in to have these services enabled. Apple on the other hand stores users data, and no one knows what they do with it. That sounds a million times worse in my opinion. At least offer its users something in return that benefits them, instead of some dumb siri as an assistant and finally getting features that Android had from many years ago.

 

[DNichter]

Your iPhone tracks every place you visit.
Found as one of the top results.

Google tracks location to give users a better experience. I can get traffic to and from work each day, get coupons whenever I am near x,y,z store, and several other awesome features. Apple tracks users....but for what benefit? I personally would rather be able to see what data of mine is tracked, while having the ability to delete or to opt in to have these services enabled. Apple on the other hand stores users data, and no one knows what they do with it. That sounds a million times worse in my opinion. At least offer its users something in return that benefits them, instead of some dumb siri as an assistant and finally getting features that Android had from many years ago.

Completely different. That information is kept on the phone and not sent back to Apple. Google's practices are so they can continue their business of selling ads.

 

[The Game 161]

I get those who are concerned about privacy but got to admit It's not something that is on my mind. I just want the best possible assistant. I use my homepod for siri commands for timers/reminders for shopping and my music/podcasts but for any other requests I will use google mini. Just a brillant bit of kit which I now use on my iphone and ipad instead of siri now.

 

[fireguy286]

Nice additions. However the interface was jittery and stuttered. Although iOS does not seem as feature rich, the smoothness especially on a X is unparalleled. Maybe this was a lower end Android?

Not that I want to be defending Android but this is an early Developer Beta - far from final yet - Android P was JUST announced here, not released. Given that fact it's actually pretty darn smooth. I have definitely lived through iOS beta hell...

 

[Regime2008]

Completely different. That information is kept on the phone and not sent back to Apple. Google's practices are so they can continue their business of selling ads.

How do you know this? Apple has done plenty of shady things over the years. No one knows what they do with your data. Especially as the user cannot see everything they store, and they are far from transparent in this regard compared to Google. It seems that everyone here just gobbles up everything Apple tells them, like for instance the throttling issue. If that were to happen to any other company, everyone here would be celebrating. But since it was Apple, you give them the free pass.

 

[DNichter]

How do you know this? Apple has done plenty of shady things over the years. No one knows what they do with your data. Especially as the user cannot see everything they store, and they are far from transparent in this regard compared to Google. It seems that everyone here just gobbles up everything Apple tells them, like for instance the throttling issue. If that were to happen to any other company, everyone here would be celebrating. But since it was Apple, you give them the free pass.

I suppose I don't for sure, but Apple is pretty up front with it's privacy policies and has said before that this information stays on the phone. The article you provided says the same thing, for whatever that is worth. Apple isn't an advertising company so any info like this would most certainly be used to better the individuals experience. Google on the other hand, makes 95% of their revenue from advertising. They are an advertising company and their data mining policies are quite clear. I am not sure what throttling has anything to do with this topic, but whatever you need to make your point.

 

[Regime2008]

I suppose I don't for sure, but Apple is pretty up front with it's privacy policies and has said before that this information stays on the phone. The article you provided says the same thing, for whatever that is worth. Apple isn't an advertising company so any info like this would most certainly be used to better the individuals experience. Google on the other hand, makes 95% of their revenue from advertising. They are an advertising company and their data mining policies are quite clear. I am not sure what throttling has anything to do with this topic, but whatever you need to make your point.

Again, no one knows what Apple does with the data that Apple it's users. I would much rather know, than not know. I don't really think that can be argued.

With the data that you can opt in or out for when signing into any Android device, you get some of the best features hands down in the mobile scene. There is no denying that Google services work amazing. Even for iPhone users.

There reason i mentioned throttling should be quite obvious. It alluded to my comment about Apple being shady. There are plenty of articles and videos and news about shady practices from Apple. Tax evasion, throttling, denying repairs, etc. Apple has done plenty of shady things, which is why i brought up that their data collection on you and it's other consumers could be used for any and everything. At least Google let's you opt in/out to allow sharing of your data with other Alphabet products/services.

 

[DNichter]

Again, no one knows what Apple does with the data that Apple it's users. I would much rather know, than not know. I don't really think that can be argued.

With the data that you can opt in or out for when signing into any Android device, you get some of the best features hands down in the mobile scene. There is no denying that Google services work amazing. Even for iPhone users.

There reason i mentioned throttling should be quite obvious. It alluded to my comment about Apple being shady. There are plenty of articles and videos and news about shady practices from Apple. Tax evasion, throttling, denying repairs, etc. Apple has done plenty of shady things, which is why i brought up that their data collection on you and it's other consumers could be used for any and everything. At least Google let's you opt in/out to allow sharing of your data with other Alphabet products/services.

We do though. You think the biggest company in the world with all eyes on it are secretly taking your data and selling it to advertisers without you knowing? And no one would figure this out? They would take this chance and ruin everything about their reputation? Come on man. It’s fine that you are okay supporting and advertising company, but to just assume Apple does the same thing is just irresponsible. You’re making grand assumptions without backing any of it up.

 

[Regime2008]

We do though. You think the biggest company in the world with all eyes on it are secretly taking your data and selling it to advertisers without you knowing? And no one would figure this out? They would take this chance and ruin everything about their reputation? Come on man. It’s fine that you are okay supporting and advertising company, but to just assume Apple does the same thing is just irresponsible. You’re making grand assumptions without backing any of it up.

You are doing quite the same by making assumptions. You probably didn't know Apple intentionally throttled devices prior to the news outbreak. Actually your probably still denying that it was intentional.

I'm also beginning to think you so not know how Google's data structure works. Your making it seem like Android phones feature ads or commercials or something? The data they use benefit the consumer. The data collected from Apple devices do NOT benefit it's users. Again, take Siri for example. She is the child that dropped out of elementary school, while Google Assistant has their PHD and continually furthering it's education. Unless I'm missing something, can you tell me what Apple does with the data it collects from it's users? And how does it benefit the user, besides having to spend more for less?

Google has better privacy policies on its user data than Apple.
https://decentralize.today/apple-vs...company-handles-your-data-better-a7022bd452b1

 

[DNichter]

You are doing quite the same by making assumptions. You probably didn't know Apple intentionally throttled devices prior to the news outbreak. Actually your probably still denying that it was intentional.

I'm also beginning to think you so not know how Google's data structure works. Your making it seem like Android phones feature ads or commercials or something? The data they use benefit the consumer. The data collected from Apple devices do NOT benefit it's users. Again, take Siri for example. She is the child that dropped out of elementary school, while Google Assistant has their PHD and continually furthering it's education. Unless I'm missing something, can you tell me what Apple does with the data it collects from it's users? And how does it benefit the user, besides having to spend more for less?

Google has better privacy policies on its user data than Apple.
https://decentralize.today/apple-vs...company-handles-your-data-better-a7022bd452b1

Apple’s data benefits the end users. Googles does also (I’m guessing), but they also sell that data for advertising revenue. That’s the difference. I personally would rather not be the source of advertising revenue. If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but I’m not gonna sit here and pretend like you’re some sort of expert. Let’s just agree to disagree here and move on.

 

[Solomani]

This is still macrumors, right?

No. It officially changed its name to AAPL Shorters long ago. They just didn't announce the fact.

 

[Regime2008]

Apple’s data benefits the end users. Googles does also (I’m guessing), but they also sell that data for advertising revenue. That’s the difference. I personally would rather not be the source of advertising revenue. If you don’t agree, that’s fine, but I’m not gonna sit here and pretend like you’re some sort of expert. Let’s just agree to disagree here and move on.

And what benefits are those? It's pretty obvious that Google goes head over heels with useful information and benefits for it's users, but what about Apple? Could you possibly list a few of them? You kinda made it seem like Google might benefit it's users, but a for sure yes for Apple. It seems that users on either side recognise the usefulness of Google's services. But i never hear of the positives of apples user data collection, and what it is doing to help siri, or to iron out the numerous ios bugs. I can't really seem to find anything.

I would rather go with a company that gives you more for less, and offers services that help people around the world. Google doesn't have the greed that Apple does. Hopefully you can name a couple of these benefits, unlike the last few times i have asked. I'll pretend that you are in fact an expert though.

 

[m0sher]

A good editorial read this morning clarifies how most android users will not even see Android P where Apple continues to update 76 percent of active iPhones to the latest version of iOS, while Google struggles at 5.7 percent of active Android devices.

Most android users will have to buy a new phone to have Android P new features. Where iOS 12 will roll out to everyone as far back as an iPhone 6.

Honestly Android is SO much more inferior of an OS.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/11/17343510/google-android-p-google-io-2018

 

[DNichter]

And what benefits are those? It's pretty obvious that Google goes head over heels with useful information and benefits for it's users, but what about Apple? Could you possibly list a few of them? You kinda made it seem like Google might benefit it's users, but a for sure yes for Apple. It seems that users on either side recognise the usefulness of Google's services. But i never hear of the positives of apples user data collection, and what it is doing to help siri, or to iron out the numerous ios bugs. I can't really seem to find anything.

I would rather go with a company that gives you more for less, and offers services that help people around the world. Google doesn't have the greed that Apple does. Hopefully you can name a couple of these benefits, unlike the last few times i have asked. I'll pretend that you are in fact an expert though.

I trust that both companies use the data for the benefits of the user. The difference is that this data stays on an iPhone while Google collects and sells this data as well. Being an advertising company, this is the only way they can make money. Their products and services exist to drive advertising revenue. Here are some services that benefit Apple users with the data that stays on an iPhone and isn’t sold. Find my iPhone, HomeKit, location alerts, health data, safari and spotlight suggestions, sharing your location with friends and family, WiFi calling, WiFi networking, and routing and traffic through Apple maps. These are all possible or improved with location data. Again, not data that is sold to advertisers. Lastly, I don’t mind that you support Google, but it’s okay to respect another persons choice not to.

 

[Regime2008]

Again, you do not know that for a fact. There have been previous issues in regards to location data when it comes to Apple. Check this out, you will still get targeted by Apple's Advertisements even if you turn it off. This is why it is not good to let Apple spoon feed you, because it's easy to regurgitate the wrong information to others. How does Apple advertisements sound? Wonder if they make a profit from selling these ads....

But Apple’s handling of location data has faced criticism before. In 2011, Apple was found to be storing location data on users’ phones in an unencrypted file; it subsequently encrypted that kind of data on the device, on the cloud, and in transit. And in a class-action lawsuit filed in 2014, plaintiff Chen Ma was concerned that, among other things, users were given “no meaningful” way to switch off Location Services without “substantially compromising” key parts of the iPhone’s functionality.

Apple still collects a lot of location data, though it says it doesn’t share this data directly with advertisers: Like Facebook and Google, it only makes your data available to them by putting you in an “anonymized” targeting group. iPhone users can turn off “Location-based Apple ads,” thanks to a small radio button deep inside the settings app (Settings > Privacy > Location Services > System Services; even with that off, however, Apple still builds an ad targeting profile on you based on keyboard language settings, device type, App Store searches and Apple News articles you read, though some of that tracking can be limited under Settings > Privacy > Advertising.)

If Location Services is on, some location data collection can’t be turned off at all. With Location Services enabled, according to Apple, “your device will periodically send the geo-tagged locations of nearby Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers to Apple to augment Apple’s crowd-sourced database of Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower locations.” If you’re moving in a vehicle, “a GPS-enabled iOS device will also periodically send GPS locations and travel speed information to Apple to be used for building up Apple’s crowd-sourced road-traffic database.” (This “crowd-sourced location data” is “anonymous and encrypted,” Apple adds. “It doesn’t personally identify you.”)

All of this location data is owned by Apple. At the very bottom of another page, Apple clarifies that by enabling Location Services for your devices, “you agree and consent to the transmission, collection, maintenance, processing, and use of your location data and location search queries by Apple, its partners, and licensees to provide and improve location-based and road traffic-based products and services.” Most users have little choice here: As Chen Ma pointed out in her lawsuit, many apps simply can’t function without activating location services in some form.

No offense but those benefits you have listed, are just about all available on Android, with a superior equivalent to the majority of those. Find My Device, Google Home, better location alerts, Google Fit, Chrome, Google Now, Sharing Google Maps location with friends and family, Wifi Calling, Wifi networking with MIMO 4x4 (something Apple still suffers from not including). Everything you mentioned seems to be a standard on other phones. Take all of these and add in Google Assistant and all of the other features like Google photos, Google drive, Gmail, etc, and its hard to even say there it's a fair comparison between Apple services and Google services. One just seems to have so much going for it currently, and especially the future with their focus on AI.

 

[Piggie]

Siri Duplex Demonstration....... lol

 

[Regime2008]

Siri Duplex Demonstration....... lol

omg I think I just died!

 

[The Game 161]

A good editorial read this morning clarifies how most android users will not even see Android P where Apple continues to update 76 percent of active iPhones to the latest version of iOS, while Google struggles at 5.7 percent of active Android devices.

Most android users will have to buy a new phone to have Android P new features. Where iOS 12 will roll out to everyone as far back as an iPhone 6.

Honestly Android is SO much more inferior of an OS.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/11/17343510/google-android-p-google-io-2018

Which is why if updates matters then the pixel is the best option

 

[Piggie]

Which is why if updates matters then the pixel is the best option

I want a Pixel, but, just personally, for me, the hardware has lagged a bit behind what I'd like for the Pixel 1 and Pixel 2. I'm hoping Pixel 3 should bring the hardware more in line with the software and price point.

 

[DNichter]

Again, you do not know that for a fact. There have been previous issues in regards to location data when it comes to Apple. Check this out, you will still get targeted by Apple's Advertisements even if you turn it off. This is why it is not good to let Apple spoon feed you, because it's easy to regurgitate the wrong information to others. How does Apple advertisements sound? Wonder if they make a profit from selling these ads....



No offense but those benefits you have listed, are just about all available on Android, with a superior equivalent to the majority of those. Find My Device, Google Home, better location alerts, Google Fit, Chrome, Google Now, Sharing Google Maps location with friends and family, Wifi Calling, Wifi networking with MIMO 4x4 (something Apple still suffers from not including). Everything you mentioned seems to be a standard on other phones. Take all of these and add in Google Assistant and all of the other features like Google photos, Google drive, Gmail, etc, and its hard to even say there it's a fair comparison between Apple services and Google services. One just seems to have so much going for it currently, and especially the future with their focus on AI.

Not sure how this turned into sales pitch for Android. Just accept that we have different opinions and prefer different platforms and move on.

 

[m0sher]

Which is why if updates matters then the pixel is the best option

Only if you have certain carrier or your out of luck for a Pixel without having to switch.

I like my spri.....eerrrrr....T Mobile I mean.

 

[kdarling]

I trust that both companies use the data for the benefits of the user. The difference is that this data stays on an iPhone while Google collects and sells this data as well.

Nope, Google does not sell our personal data. If they did, they'd lose their major revenue source.

Instead, Google sells anonymous ad slots, same as Apple did with iAds (and still does with their app ads).

In other words, an advertiser specifies a desired target audience, and Apple/Google serves up the appropriate ad and gets paid for doing so. But the advertiser themselves are not given the background information.

 

[The Game 161]

Only if you have certain carrier or your out of luck for a Pixel without having to switch.

I like my spri.....eerrrrr....T Mobile I mean.

Well here in the UK it's sucky as only EE let you get the pixel on contract. If you want the pixel in the UK you have to buy it sim only. No wonder sales are low here for pixel devices.