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It doesn't matter how great a PC design could be, a true Apple fan will always bash it to the end of days, and Apple can do no wrong. Surface Studio, also disgusting and inferior to the iMac, design-wise right?

I mean I can't really believe the amount of defense Apple gets, if the situation were reversed, the argument would change.

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Personally I think it looks nice, but since it can’t run macOS it’s not an option I would consider, thin bezels notwithstanding.
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What about those of us with a secondary monitor, look at this bezel atrocity.

Apple is supposed to be 2-3 years ahead of the competition, not behind.

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Apple pays little attention to the PC world, for better or ill. I have no doubt the bezels will get smaller when the iMac gets redesigned, but Apple doesn’t consider an iMac redesign to be a priority at the moment. Things they consider a higher priority: MacBook Air redesign, Mac Pro redesign and MBP keyboard (fourth times the charm?), iPad Pro, iPhone XR and XS Max. Last year was a busy year.

The reality of the situation is that Apple sells far fewer than 4 million iMacs/year, since 80% of users don’t even want a desktop—and 2/3 of Mac and iPad buyers don’t even want a Mac. Given that, is it any surprise an iMac redesign wasn’t on their shortlist last year? Assuming iMac is on a two-year update schedule, I think we’ll see a design refresh in late 2020 or early 2021.
 
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Bezels on a phone or tablet is one thing because it allows for a much larger display in a smaller form factor or a smaller, lighter form factor for the same size display (like the 12.9" iPad Pro).
Exactly.
The only small reason I can see for needing smaller bezels on a desktop is for tiling multiple displays.
Exactly (although for those tiling multiple displays, this reason might not be so small).
…but did it occur to anyone that if they make the bezels smaller it would make the volume smaller and negatively impact the cooling?
Indeed.

I’ll offer another reason for preferring bezels on a single-display desktop:

If you’re watching a movie or playing a game on that gorgeous Retina 5K 27-inch display, the black bezels help block out the visual clutter and distraction of whatever is behind your iMac.
 
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Upgrading from my previous workstation, a 2011 15" MBP, i7, dual SSDs, 16GBs, that went to that Apple in the Sky. Trading in my 2015 MacBook for the 27" iMac, i9. I should be too damn old to be influenced by peer pressure, but I'll probably get the Vega, even though the 580X (with 8 freaking GBs) would fit our family's probable use cases, to include my son wanting to start video editing and working in VR, my wife's use of Lightroom and Photoshop, and me dabbling with coding.

I’d wait to see just how big a step up the Vega 48 is. For your use, even the 580X might be overkill.

Good to hear. Some of the youtube reviews ( running Cinebench and Unigen Heaven etc. ) show it running at 90+ degrees celcius with no throttling. A computer running at those temperatures concerns me a little about its life expectancy before failure.

The classic MacPro did the same—it would let the CPUs hit 80C+ before ramping up fan speeds. Those old MacPros still work 10 years later. The way modern silicon has built in thermal protection, the heat is no bother, and the chips will self protect by throttling. Could the heat reduce their life? Maybe, but by the time that becomes your concern, you will have long wanted to upgrade. I bet other components will fail long before the CPU.
 
I wonder if Apple will reduce the bezels and increase the screen size at the same time? You could end up with a 29" screen with 1/8" bezel.
 
I don’t really understand why people are so obsessed with thinner bezels.

In this case, because the 27" display is physically larger than a 32" display, so it's not as much about the bezels as an outdated size, resolution, no height or level adjustment, no antiglare...
 
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The videos I've seen focus on the presence/lack of throttling but none, so far, measure standard operating temperatures during mundane tasks like web surfing/emails etc. I'd like to see Apple produce a desktop mac that isn't thermally challenged but this rev clearly stands pat and allows Apple to maintain its iOS/Services focus by minimizing Mac changes.

More ports, better cooling and more user accessible machines would be my top picks for a new design. Smaller bezels are fine but unimportant to me.

My 9900K is currently running at 37-38 C and the Vega 48 running at 29 C while doing the mundane tasks like web surfing, emails, etc. The CPU temp is about the same as the 4670 in my Late 2013 iMac doing the mundane tasks while the GPU temp is actually about 5-10 C cooler than the 780M.
 



Apple in March introduced a refresh for its 21.5 and 27-inch 4K and 5K iMac models, which did not receive an update in 2018. The new iMac models feature the same design as the previous models, but have upgraded internals, including 8th and 9th-generation Coffee Lake processors from Intel.

In our latest video, we checked out the 27-inch 5K iMac with 16GB RAM, a 512GB SSD, Radeon Pro Vega 48 graphics, and the high-end 3.6GHz 8-core 9th-generation Core i9 Coffee Lake processor.


Apple hasn't updated the design of the iMac for six years. The slim unibody design that we're familiar with was first introduced in November 2012, and since then, there haven't been any design updates (with the exception of some display changes and port refreshes), which is a bit disappointing.

The 2019 21.5 and 27-inch iMacs continue to feature a slim 5mm display, aluminum stand, aluminum border at the bottom of the machine and relatively thick top and side bezels.

Both iMac sizes feature two Thunderbolt 3 USB-C ports, four USB-A ports, an SD card slot, a headphone jack, and an Ethernet port, with support for one 5K display or two 4K displays. On the 27-inch model, RAM is user upgradeable through a slot in the back of the machine, so upgrading the RAM more affordably after purchase is an option.

The specific model that we tested uses Apple's highest-end iMac processor, the 9th-generation 8-core version from Intel. It's outfitted with 16GB RAM, a Radeon Pro Vega 48 graphics card, and 512GB of storage, making it a higher-end option priced at $3,449 that's ideal for creatives and professionals who need a lot of processing and graphics power.

For work like video editing, intensive photo editing, 3D modeling, and other tasks, you're going to want the best processor and graphics card you can get as these elements are not upgradeable after purchase.

Based on benchmarks, Apple's new 2019 iMac models offer significant speed improvements over the prior 2017 models. Multi-core performance on the machine we tested is up to 66 percent faster, and while single-core gains aren't quite as impressive, it's still approximately 6 to 11 percent faster on average.

This particular high-end iMac with 8-core chip is actually comparable to the 2017 iMac Pro with a 10-core chip. In real-world testing, performance was impressive and the iMac was more than capable of handling our video editing workflow.

Whether or not the 2019 iMac is worth the upgrade depends on your current machine. If you're using a much older model you're going to see significant speed improvements with the latest processors, but compared to something like a 2017 iMac, it's probably not worth shelling out the extra cash at this time because the processors are the bulk of what's new.

The 27-inch iMac that we tested is ideal for system-intensive workflows, but if you just need a machine for browsing the web, light photo editing, sending email, and other tasks, one of the more affordable 27-inch machines or even the smaller 21.5-inch iMacs will be a better pick.

If you're in the market for a new iMac and are trying to decide which one to get, make sure to check out our iMac Buyer's Guide.

What do you think of Apple's 2019 iMac refresh? Are you picking up a new machine? Let us know in the comments.

Article Link: Hands-On With Apple's New 27-Inch 5K 8-Core iMac
The iMac and iMac Pro current design chassis is very out dated internally and externally. The thick gross bezels are intolerable to me. Part of the reason we buy a mac is for the form and design of the machine. Apple has failed us with the aged face of the design (Chin, thick bezels etc) and hopefully like me, you REFUSE to upgrade until there is a significant update regardless of the wait! The time has come for a bezeless redesign with some new upgrade features. Here is my list of what I would like to see in a perfect world. - Larger screen (32 inches preferably) with no chin and a bezeless design - Updated internal dual centrifugal fan thermal architecture (Like iMac Pro, otherwise it will just throttle) - PCIe Flash across the board - Face ID - HDR, 120 HZ Promotion, True Tone Display - Tx Security Chip - Space Grey Option - 4 TB SSD option - Bluetooth 5.0 - Two more USB C Ports - Touch bar and back lit keyboard - Much higher quality, better low light front facing HD camera (1080 minimum, the current once is awful) PLEASE CONTACT APPLE AT THE LINK BELOW AND DEMAND A REDESIGN OF THE MACHINE. THE IMAC IS DYING A SLOW DEATH, LET'S RALLY TO BRING IT BACK! https://www.apple.com/feedback/
Design was important to Steve. The original iMac was as much about design as it was about functionality.

"The back of this thing looks better than the front of the other guys, by the way," Jobs said as he detailed the thought that went into its design.




Now PCs look better than the fat bezel 2019 iMac.
AMEN!!! what a joke apple has become. 2019 and disgusting thick bezels galore. What a disgrace

I don’t really understand why people are so obsessed with thinner bezels.
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ughhh because its a mac...we are paying for a modern design with function i dont know what company you think this is. PC's are leading the charge and have better front facing designs. The bezels are disgusting and outdated. Apple is bleeding the market with this design




Apple in March introduced a refresh for its 21.5 and 27-inch 4K and 5K iMac models, which did not receive an update in 2018. The new iMac models feature the same design as the previous models, but have upgraded internals, including 8th and 9th-generation Coffee Lake processors from Intel.

In our latest video, we checked out the 27-inch 5K iMac with 16GB RAM, a 512GB SSD, Radeon Pro Vega 48 graphics, and the high-end 3.6GHz 8-core 9th-generation Core i9 Coffee Lake processor.


Apple hasn't updated the design of the iMac for six years. The slim unibody design that we're familiar with was first introduced in November 2012, and since then, there haven't been any design updates (with the exception of some display changes and port refreshes), which is a bit disappointing.

The 2019 21.5 and 27-inch iMacs continue to feature a slim 5mm display, aluminum stand, aluminum border at the bottom of the machine and relatively thick top and side bezels.

Both iMac sizes feature two Thunderbolt 3 USB-C ports, four USB-A ports, an SD card slot, a headphone jack, and an Ethernet port, with support for one 5K display or two 4K displays. On the 27-inch model, RAM is user upgradeable through a slot in the back of the machine, so upgrading the RAM more affordably after purchase is an option.

The specific model that we tested uses Apple's highest-end iMac processor, the 9th-generation 8-core version from Intel. It's outfitted with 16GB RAM, a Radeon Pro Vega 48 graphics card, and 512GB of storage, making it a higher-end option priced at $3,449 that's ideal for creatives and professionals who need a lot of processing and graphics power.

For work like video editing, intensive photo editing, 3D modeling, and other tasks, you're going to want the best processor and graphics card you can get as these elements are not upgradeable after purchase.

Based on benchmarks, Apple's new 2019 iMac models offer significant speed improvements over the prior 2017 models. Multi-core performance on the machine we tested is up to 66 percent faster, and while single-core gains aren't quite as impressive, it's still approximately 6 to 11 percent faster on average.

This particular high-end iMac with 8-core chip is actually comparable to the 2017 iMac Pro with a 10-core chip. In real-world testing, performance was impressive and the iMac was more than capable of handling our video editing workflow.

Whether or not the 2019 iMac is worth the upgrade depends on your current machine. If you're using a much older model you're going to see significant speed improvements with the latest processors, but compared to something like a 2017 iMac, it's probably not worth shelling out the extra cash at this time because the processors are the bulk of what's new.

The 27-inch iMac that we tested is ideal for system-intensive workflows, but if you just need a machine for browsing the web, light photo editing, sending email, and other tasks, one of the more affordable 27-inch machines or even the smaller 21.5-inch iMacs will be a better pick.

If you're in the market for a new iMac and are trying to decide which one to get, make sure to check out our iMac Buyer's Guide.

What do you think of Apple's 2019 iMac refresh? Are you picking up a new machine? Let us know in the comments.

Article Link: Hands-On With Apple's New 27-Inch 5K 8-Core iMac

THE BEZELS ARE AWFUL! Steve said the back of the original imac looked better than the front of PC's. Now the PC's look better than the front of this thick bezeled monstrosity. People who are think the bezels are fine are whack.
 
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In this case, because the 27" display is physically larger than a 32" display, so it's not as much about the bezels as an outdated size, resolution, no height or level adjustment, no antiglare...

I would love to be able to adjust the height. And the large chin and bezels make the screen very high off the desk, much higher than my Windows monitor is.
 
Ha, I just bought that exact machine (sans Vega, sadly) yesterday. It's replacing a late 2009 27" that died so it's gonna melt my freaking face off.
...but if you just need a machine for browsing the web, light photo editing, sending email, and other tasks, one of the more affordable...machines...will be a better pick.
Yaeaaahhhhh...but what fun would that be?
I don’t really understand why people are so obsessed with thinner bezels.
I actually prefer the "thicker" bezels on just about every device that has them. I generally hate thin bezels.
 
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Design was important to Steve. The original iMac was as much about design as it was about functionality.

"The back of this thing looks better than the front of the other guys, by the way," Jobs said as he detailed the thought that went into its design.

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Now PCs look better than the fat bezel 2019 iMac.
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Look at that cankle on that Dell /sarcasm.
 
In this case, because the 27" display is physically larger than a 32" display, so it's not as much about the bezels as an outdated size, resolution, no height or level adjustment, no antiglare...

I could understand wanting the bigger screen dimensions and adjustment options, but the resolution is still on the high side at 5K. I love the color reproduction on my 2017 5K. Still one of the best computer displays I’ve ever owned. I get to stare at 2 ugly base-dpi HP monitors at work, so the contrast of my iMac is always a treat when I’m editing photos.
 
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I got tired of waiting for a new Mac Pro so I finally replaced my 6-Core 2010 Mac Pro with the a maxed out 27" iMac 8-core (2TB SSD, 64GB, Vega 48). Wow! This machine doesn't disappoint and runs my photo workflows significantly faster. I only wish Apple went with a slightly bigger display even though the monitor is better than my old 30".
 
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It's some sort of weird fetish, I think. I'm fine with it on Monitors and TVs but phones concern me because it's hard to hold if the sides where my fingers usually grip are the screen.
I read this thread on the screen of my 2017 iMac 27" 5k and I had to stop and think, "does this screen have bezels?" I had to look twice to see them.
 
Would you say its worth upgrading from a 2017 27" 5k iMac with the 4.2 i7 and Radeon Pro 580 for the 3.9 8 Core CPU and Vega 48?
I mean, I'm not the type of person to upgrade a Mac that often. I went with the i9 because I'm planning on this lasting 6-8 years for me (well, unless I get screwed over by Apple dropping support for Intel in macOS after switching to Apple chips). I went with the Vega 48 so I could do some moderate gaming in Windows and for some GPU acceleration in pro apps (especially as apps are more optimized for that in the future) but I don't think it's worth it to upgrade for the small performance increase, especially since eGPUs are a thing (I could see myself getting one after a while). I think it would only be worth it for the i9 if you're utilizing a heavy multi-core workflow or if it's too noisy for you if doing audio work (though the iMac Pro is even quieter). If I had upgraded in 2017 I'd probably wait until at least 2020/2021 to see what Apple does with their chips, although I am kinda wary of buying a first gen Apple CPU Mac given the issues with the T2 chip which kinda factored into me upgrading now.
 
It doesn't matter how great a PC design could be, a true Apple fan will always bash it to the end of days, and Apple can do no wrong. Surface Studio, also disgusting and inferior to the iMac, design-wise right?

I mean I can't really believe the amount of defense Apple gets, if the situation were reversed, the argument would change.

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I like it. Let Hackintosh the crap out of it.
 
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Exactly.

Exactly (although for those tiling multiple displays, this reason might not be so small).

Indeed.

I’ll offer another reason for preferring bezels on a single-display desktop:

If you’re watching a movie or playing a game on that gorgeous Retina 5K 27-inch display, the black bezels help block out the visual clutter and distraction of whatever is behind your iMac.
Yeah, I actually have a 27" 4K LG display lined up perfectly next to mine (UI scaled to 5K in the display prefs) and since they're at a slight angle to each other I just have the LG overlap in front of the right side of the bezel. Works well enough for me.

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I think the issue is people are used to the bezel like I have on my LG or sometimes even thinner. I think Apple likes it that way on the iMac for aesthetic reasons, but I do agree that it is starting to look a little dated. It just doesn't bother me enough to care very much. The iMac is just squirreled away in my basement studio getting work done.
 
New iMac is very nice, but i’m still loving my iMac Pro base model. Yes the price is a bit more, but the upgraded internals, 4 TB3, 10GBe, etc are worth it to me. The gap is not as bis as the video says as it also has a 1TB SSD and 32GB. The bezel and chin dont bother me at all, and i have the Vesa adapter and have it arm mounted with an LG 4K adjacent.

The Surface Studio is a completely different machine and is horribly underpowered for its price. The lack of TB3 on the Surface line is baffling to me as well. The design also eliminates the possibility of an arm mount, but its designed to lay flat so arm mount would make no sense.

My only complaint on the iMacs is that they remain 16x9. I would love to have them return to the 16x10 of my 30” cinema display which is still going strong.
 
In this case, because the 27" display is physically larger than a 32" display, so it's not as much about the bezels as an outdated size, resolution, no height or level adjustment, no antiglare...
The post I responded to was strictly about bezels... big. fat. bezels. In 2019.
 
I don’t really understand why people are so obsessed with thinner bezels.

I saw the headline "8-core" and for a second I was excited that perhaps there was some new unannounced iMac model, but then looking at the photo, it immediately killed the excitement.

Those big. fat. bezels. In 2019.
Apple is obsessed with thin stuff, but lots of people, including you, are obsessed with bezels. Still. In 2019.
 
What purpose would you have to upgrade to the iMac Pro if they took away the achilleas heel of the iMac?
The Achilles heel of the iMac seems to have been the lack of a soldered heat spreader on older Intel CPUs. That is no longer an issue with the ninth Gen models.

But there are still great reasons to upgrade to iMac Pro if you have workloads that would benefit from it:
  • Xeon CPU 8/10/14/18 cores
  • AVX512 vector units – 2 per core (numerical linear algebra)
  • Better memory bandwidth from the quad-channel controller
  • ECC Memory
  • 256GB max RAM (vs. 64/128)
  • 48 PCIe lanes (vs. 16)
  • Vega 64X video card
  • 4 TB SSD – higher performance iirc
  • Four Thunderbolt 3 ports (vs. 2)
  • 10 Gb Ethernet
  • T2 security – though it can be problematic
  • 1080p FaceTime camera (vs. 720p)
  • Better sound
  • 4 microphones – w/ Hey Siri support
  • Better cooling/quieter operation under load
  • Probably some other things I’m forgetting
 
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